THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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BobRyan

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No, it translates into the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. Not sure what cursing has to do with anything.

"Do not take God's name in vain" - is a command of God and "sin is transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
When one is born again they are not at liberty to "claim grace and yet choose rebellion" as 1 Corinthians 6 reminds us.
 
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I believe the Sabbath is different to how in was in the old testament and early into Jesus's life on earth.

Then it was for the Jews.

Now, for me, the Sabbath is ' Our Lords day'. The day he resurrected from the dead. It's totally different to what it means to the Jews.
 
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I believe the Sabbath is different to how in was in the old testament and early into Jesus's life on earth.

Then it was for the Jews.

Now, for me, the Sabbath is ' Our Lords day'. The day he resurrected from the dead. It's totally different to what it means to the Jews.

There is a lot to be said for each person's preferences, ranging widely on a great many doctrinal subjects.

But at the end of the day - what counts with God is "what does the Word of God say"

Paul said "what matters is keeping the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
A set of commandments where the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
Mark 2:27 Jesus does not say "the Sabbath was made just for jews" but rather "the Sabbath was made for mankind".
Isaiah 66:23 says that for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth.
Acts uses the term "Sabbath" many times and it always refers to the 7th day of the week... Saturday.
Acts 18:4 says that "Every Sabbath" both Jews and gentiles gathered in the synagogue to hear Gospel preaching.
There is not one NT case where "Sabbath" refers to a weekly week-day-1 meeting.
There is not one NT text saying that week-day-1 is the Lord's Day

Our own preferences may dictate to us that we "come up with" our own NT-version-2 -- but for many sticking with the Bible as it is written is going to win the day.
 
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"Do not take God's name in vain" - is a command of God and "sin is transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
When one is born again they are not at liberty to "claim grace and yet choose rebellion" as 1 Corinthians 6 reminds us.

So you are claiming that the Holy Spirit is in transgression of the law?
 
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Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only. We would like to show that the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find this in God's WORD.

Let's start by looking at your scriptures that many use to claim SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"

REVELATIONS 1:9-11 [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10], I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!

NOW the only problem you have is the need to show scripture that says SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY.

Can you please provide scripture that says SUNDAY or the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the "LORD'S DAY"?

If you cannot find any scriptures to say that SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY" then you have a problem.

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Now let's look at the scriptures that give the answer to our question

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?
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MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY
(MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

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Now friend's the SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of God's 10 Commandments and there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. The same as there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

John in the book of REVELATIONS 1:10 was in the SPIRIT on the SABBATH DAY not SUNDAY!

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HOW WAS THE LORD'S DAY CHANGED TO SUNDAY?

SUNDAY Worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break and ignore God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)


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ARE YOU FOLLOWING A MAN MADE TRADITION IN SUNDAY WORSHIP?

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

May God bless you all as you seek him first through his Word. To him be all the glory forever and ever AMEN!
I don't think Sunday as a worship day, emanated from the Catholic church.
 
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At first, Christians continued to worship alongside Jewish believers, which historians refer to as Jewish Christianity, but within twenty years of Jesus's death, Sunday was being regarded as the primary day of worship. (Davidson, The Birth of the Church [2005], p. 115)
 
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I don't think Sunday as a worship day, emanated from the Catholic church.

1. What do "they" claim about that idea?

2. Were you "just about" to actually post a Bible text showing week-day-1 as a weekly day of worship in the NT? If so... we missed it. Because that was the golden opportunity to post it along with your statement.
 
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At first, Christians continued to worship alongside Jewish believers, which historians refer to as Jewish Christianity, but within twenty years of Jesus's death, Sunday was being regarded as the primary day of worship. (Davidson, The Birth of the Church [2005], p. 115)

Would have been more convincing had it been an actual Bible text making that claim because "creative writing alone" is not sufficient for doctrine.
 
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I don't think Sunday as a worship day, emanated from the Catholic church.

1. What do "they" claim about that idea?

2. Were you "just about" to actually post a Bible text showing week-day-1 as a weekly day of worship in the NT? If so... we missed it. Because that was the golden opportunity to post it along with your statement.

Who cares what the Catholic church said.

You were making a claim about what they did or did not do... you are the one that brought them into this.

details matter.

What matters is the historical record.

What matters is the Word of God - and it is the historic record of what was taught and believed in the first century.

I trust the "historic record" that we have in the Bible. do you?
 
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1. What do "they" claim about that idea?

2. Were you "just about" to actually post a Bible text showing week-day-1 as a weekly day of worship in the NT? If so... we missed it. Because that was the golden opportunity to post it along with your statement.



You were making a claim about what they did or did not do... you are the one that brought them into this.

details matter.



What matters is the Word of God - and it is the historic record of what was taught and believed in the first century.

I trust the "historic record" that we have in the Bible. do you?
Do you deny that the church had a history?
 
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