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It doesn't matter what the burden is. Maybe it's a whole pack of pencils. Maybe it's a heavy coat you're carrying in case it rains. Makes no difference.Show me in Jeremiah where "a pencil" is "a burden". I'll wait.
I answered you, but you did not answer me.22 By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things. - Galatians 5:22-23
Where is evidence of this fruit in your response?
11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers and sisters. Whoever speaks evil against another or judges another, speaks evil against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. So who, then, are you to judge your neighbor? - James 4:11-12
What's that sound I hear??? Oh, I know what that is, it is the furious sound of backpedaling, or maybe backsliding ...It doesn't matter what the burden is. Maybe it's a whole pack of pencils. Maybe it's a heavy coat you're carrying in case it rains. Makes no difference.
The Jews interpret it as something as small as a pencil. If you want to say it's a bigger burden, fine, what weight is a burden? The point is, that you do not follow sabbath as originally laid out in the scripture.What's that sound I hear??? Oh, I know what that is, it is the furious sound of backpedaling, or maybe backsliding ...
I answered you, but you did not answer me.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
As I said, the word itself is the judge.
I keep telling you that. Hey, pull your fingers out of your ears, and remove your hands from your eyes. You will see and hear better....there is only one Judge and that is the *living* Word, Jesus Christ. ...
Who cares? Pharisaical 'tradition', as I said, rabbinic and talmudic, just as I said.The Jews interpret it as something as small as a pencil....
I keep telling you that. Hey, pull your fingers out of your ears, and remove your hands from your eyes. You will see and hear better.
The 'spiritual is the heart aspect of the Sabbath. Ritual and timing are the ceremonial aspect of the Sabbath. The spiritual aspect is moral, that is to worship and love God. The ceremonial aspect is the ritual and timing of the Sabbath. Why is it that you consider the ceremonial aspect of the Sabbath moral law?The commandments of God (Exodus 20:-17) are "spiritual" (Romans 7:14), never 'ceremonial'.
Those who condemn people who love and worship God prove that the truth doesn't belong to them. If it did, there would be no condemnation for others who worship and love God even if they didn't recognize the external sign of ritual and timing..By your own actions, you have set yourself up as judge when there is only one Judge and that is the *living* Word, Jesus Christ. Why are you so full of condemnation and contempt?
You don't really define ceremonial here. Ceremonial laws are obligations to an external sign of ritual and timing. You in fact make the ritual and timing a moral obligation when it is an external sign of an internal reality. We worship and love God in our heart or not at all. The external sign is worthless if the internal reality doesn't exist. Can you guess what the sign of Adam and Eve's covenant with God is?Ceremonial laws are those linked to the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sin and include things like the Sanctuary laws for remission of sin; sin offerings and animal sacrifices and the laws retaining to the leviitical priesthood.
No, the Sabbath didn't become an external sign until God's covenant with Israel. Adam and eve are on the other side of time and history before the fall. Immortal life doesn't produce a past.Hello Eloy, I am not sure what your talking about above.
What day was Adam and Eve created (Genesis 1:27-31)? What day was the Sabbath created (Genesis 2:1-3)? Of course the Sabbath was obseved.
Yes, and if you understood eternal reality you would also understand that a sign isn't and a covenant is.God's WORD says the SABBATH is a sign of God's people and an everlasting ETERNAL Covenant (Exodus 31:13;16).
The Lord I worship is no longer seen in OT signs, He came down to us in Person.Yep seems pretty clear through God's WORD Eloy that the LORD'S DAY, the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the week. Seems God's WORD disagrees with you here Eloy.
You may not know it, but when you say that believing what you say God's Word means is believing God's Word and then say eternal life is in danger if what you say it means isn't believed, you are doing exactly what bekkylin say's. I think your Scripture quote kinda makes that point. I'm not exactly sure how it pertains. As far as fingers go, if you stop pointing it outwards it will point inwards as it is supposed to for us sinners, otherwise how do we confess our sins?I keep telling you that. Hey, pull your fingers out of your ears, and remove your hands from your eyes. You will see and hear better.
1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
You don't really define ceremonial here. Ceremonial laws are obligations to an external sign of ritual and timing.
You in fact make the ritual and timing a moral obligation when it is an external sign of an internal reality. We worship and love God in our heart or not at all. The external sign is worthless if the internal reality doesn't exist. Can you guess what the sign of Adam and Eve's covenant with God is?
Indeed, th is when it was recorded, no one said any differerntlyNo, the Sabbath didn't become an external sign until God's covenant with Israel.
Not really Eloy, Adam and Eve were on both side before the fall and after the fall (sin) because they were the ones who caused the fall and sinned against God at which time they were evicted from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).Adam and eve are on the other side of time and history before the fall. Immortal life doesn't produce a past.
Ex 31;16 Therefore the Israelites shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
No one worships God while CONTINUING to KNOWINGLY break his Commandments...The Lord I worship is no longer seen in OT signs, He came down to us in Person.
Sir, you are a fine illustration of where extreme legalism always leads us, to the judgement and condemnation of our brothers and sisters in Christ. You are doing a fine job of showing us why we don't want to go that route.Who cares? Pharisaical 'tradition', as I said, rabbinic and talmudic, just as I said.
The word of God, please, point to the verse, I am still waiting you know, which you said you could provide a demonstration from.
Back pedal some more. You might need bigger mirrors to see, so you don't hit anything ...
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No. Its talking about liberty from the law. Notice that it exhorts us not to misuse that liberty?Liberty being spoken of in Galatains 5 is freedom of liberty from SIN, it's power and condemnation. It is not saying you now have freedom to SIN.
The wages of sin is death in those who reject the gift of God's dear son (Romans 6:23)
GALATAINS 5:1 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
this is way Jesus says...
JOHN 8:34 [34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
You have no scripture to support your teaching and you follow it at your peril my friend.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Being a Christian does not give you liberty to sin.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
These are the ritual laws
Adam and Eve are on both sides of what?ot really Eloy, Adam and Eve were on both side before the fall and after the fall (sin) because they were the ones who caused the fall and sinned against God at which time they were evicted from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).
Ok, what's that got to do with the sign of the covenant between Adam and God? The SIGN of the covenant in the Garden of Eden was not the seventh day Sabbath. You don't know the sign of that covenant.God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL.
You beleive those are ceremonial laws and they are, but you still aren't grasping the definition of a ceremonial law.The ceremonial laws are those from the Mosaic book of the Covenant for remission of sin. These are the ritual laws to do with the Sanctuary service, sin offerings, animal sacrifices, levitical priesthood and annual festivals.
That doesn't square with your doctrinal statement about the universality of seventh day sabbath as a sign of a covenant.Not at all Eloy, God's 4th Commandment is given by God for his people on the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK as a celebration and memorial of creation, it is a sign that we worship the only true God of creation who is saving us from our sins by his Word. We worship God because we love him and as Jesus says; If you LOVE me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
That is a record of when it was commanded. When it was recorded isn't substantial.Indeed, th is when it was recorded, no one said any differerntly
No. Its talking about liberty from the law. Notice that it exhorts us not to misuse that liberty?
You made it up, and have not a single scripture. You are quoting you, as it is said.The 'spiritual is the heart aspect of the Sabbath. Ritual and timing are the ceremonial aspect of the Sabbath. The spiritual aspect is moral, that is to worship and love God. The ceremonial aspect is the ritual and timing of the Sabbath. Why is it that you consider the ceremonial aspect of the Sabbath moral law?
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.Dear Father, ... Amen.
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