The little horn the 7th king, that becomes the 8th king beast of the Roman Empire

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Are there currently 10 countries in Europe that wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? Actually, has there ever been a country from Europe that wants to destroy Israel since it became a nation?
No, but that will change when the world enters that last 42 months of the 7 years,when the ten kings pledge themselves to the beast and people begin taking the 666.

Right now the Europeans are more likely to defend Israel and oppose the muslims.
 
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No, but that will change when the world enters that last 42 months of the 7 years,when the ten kings pledge themselves to the beast and people begin taking the 666.

Right now the Europeans are more likely to defend Israel and oppose the muslims.

Yeah I agree on the last sentence. So when do you think that 7 years will happen?
 
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Yeah I agree on the last sentence. So when do you think that 7 years will happen?
The 7 years will take place immediately following the judgment on Islam in Gog/Magog. The 7 years are between the lines between verses 39:16 and 39:17.

The Jews will perceived the little horn, the leader of Europe, as being their messiah, the promised great King of Israel, Son of David.

Having enormous ego the little horn will assume that he is the person and will play up to the role and will reset the commemorative reading of Moses's instructions to go in an possess the land - which is the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant. It is supposed to be done every 7 years, Deuteronomy 31:10-11, but hasn't been for at least 2000 years because the religious Jews have not had control of the temple mount -where the reading is supposed to take place.

Anointed as the King of Israel, he will oversee the reading, and that's what begins the 7 years. And begins his stint as "the Antichrist".

When the person reveals that he is the man of sin, the Jews reject him as their king. At that point he is no longer "the Antichrist". Same person, but no longer the Antichrist, King of Israel.

He is then the man of sin, who will be killed and brought back to life as the man of sin beast. The person begins as the 7th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire, the little horn. And ends as the 8th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire, the beast in Revelation.

The only time he is "the Antichrist" is during his temporary stint as the King of Israel.
 
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The 7 years will take place immediately following the judgment on Islam in Gog/Magog. The 7 years are between the lines between verses 39:16 and 39:17.
although Magog originated in Turkey, the peoples the represent are the northern people. Turkey, like the northern people in general, sides with Europe (NATO).

A judgement on Islam is coming, no doubt, however Islam is not Gog or Magog. Islam is a religion and the region of Islam's territory is still centered in the East and South of Israel.

The Jews will perceived the little horn, the leader of Europe, as being their messiah, the promised great King of Israel, Son of David.

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When the person reveals that he is the man of sin, the Jews reject him as their king. At that point he is no longer "the Antichrist". Same person, but no longer the Antichrist, King of Israel.
For what reason would Israel reject this king as no-longer their Messiah? If he performs the things that the Old Testament says of the Messiah, why?

He is then the man of sin, who will be killed and brought back to life as the man of sin beast. The person begins as the 7th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire, the little horn. And ends as the 8th Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire, the beast in Revelation.
The heads of the Beast are dominions. They are both kings and mountains, therefore they are spiritual dominions of great power that oppress the people of God. In 90-95 AD when Revelation was written the 6th Beast was Rome, the dominion that oppressed the whole earth and at the time seriously persecuted Christians.

The 7th beast remains a short time {the singular life of one king -70 years- just as Babylon reigned over exiled Israel for 70 years}. The 8th beast exercises all the authority of the first Beast because he is of the 7 (Rev 13:12).

The eighth king (gov't) is the False-Prophet-Beast. The 7th and 8th kings are one dominion (the 7th mountain) wich share the same authority. This dominion has a head wound because the healed wound is the resurrection of a Zealot State in Israel. The UN-authorized/US financed/NATO powered/Israel-operated military dominion over the Middle East.

(he is the wounded head) from the land (land of Israel) who claims to be what he is not (he speaks lies like a dragon) and these two final Beasts both go to destruction together (because the dominion of Christ replaces them on earth).

Heads = governments. Mountains = dominions (Daniel 2). Horns = nation-states with military power.

The woman-with-child is the mystery, hence why she is described in the wilderness. I believe this woman to be the ethnic Hebrew remnant that still believe in Jesus Christ and the prophets. The goal of Satan is to either kill or turn-evil all remnants of rue Israel in order that no more living breathing mortals can rule in Israel. (Should Satan succeed in turning all the world evil (as with the Days of Noah) then Christ will slay all of them)

The only time he is "the Antichrist" is during his temporary stint as the King of Israel.
That makes no sense, because he is called the antichrist when the Lord kills him (2 thess 2). As long as he is rejecting Jesus Christ as the real Messiah, and claiming to be God in place of Christ, he is the spirit of antichrist according to scripture no matter what people call him or why. It isn't about whether he's Israel's Antichrist or not (he must be the world's antichrist). The AC certainly would not have changed his view of himself as God, so how is he no longer "the Antichrist". :confused:
 
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although Magog originated in Turkey, the peoples the represent are the northern people. Turkey, like the northern people in general, sides with Europe (NATO).

A judgement on Islam is coming, no doubt, however Islam is not Gog or Magog. Islam is a religion and the region of Islam's territory is still centered in the East and South of Israel.

I agree with Islam stronghold nations are in the Middleast and Turkey which is to the north and the "stan" countries. Turkey is not part of the EU. They want to be, but the EU nations are not letting Turkey in.

Other that Russia, the Gog/Magog countries are motivated by Islam to attack Israel. Gog/Magog will be God's judgment on Islam. Once Gog/Magog is destroyed, the Jews will think they have entered the time of the messianic age.
For what reason would Israel reject this king as no-longer their Messiah? If he performs the things that the Old Testament says of the Messiah, why?
The reason is because the Antichrist, having been in the role of being their King for about 3 1/2 years, will become convinced in his heart that he has achieved God-hood, long term he will have been into the occult via Kaballah for his success, and will go into the temple and claim to be God, 2thessalonians2, revealing himself as the man of sin.

That action will mortify the Jews, and they will reject him as continuing to be be their king. It is important to keep in mind that the two witnesses will be testifying all along not to trust him.

The 7th beast remains a short time {the singular life of one king -70 years- just as Babylon reigned over exiled Israel for 70 years}. The 8th beast exercises all the authority of the first Beast because he is of the 7 (Rev 13:12).
Well it doesn't say 7th beast, but 7th head. Maybe you made a typo? The 7th king yet to come will be the little horn in Daniel 7. When he is killed and brought back to life, he continues the 42 months as the 8th king, the beast.
The eighth king (gov't) is the False-Prophet-Beast. The 7th and 8th kings are one dominion (the 7th mountain) wich share the same authority. This dominion has a head wound because the healed wound is the resurrection of a Zealot State in Israel. The UN-authorized/US financed/NATO powered/Israel-operated military dominion over the Middle East.
The false prophet is a religious figure, having horns like a lamb comparing him to Jesus - who is our high priest in heaven. The false prophet will be the high priest for Satan, as he speaks like a dragon.
Heads = governments. Mountains = dominions (Daniel 2). Horns = nation-states with military power.
Well that is not what the bible says. In the text the heads are kings. The horns are kings.
The woman-with-child is the mystery, hence why she is described in the wilderness. I believe this woman to be the ethnic Hebrew remnant that still believe in Jesus Christ and the prophets. The goal of Satan is to either kill or turn-evil all remnants of rue Israel in order that no more living breathing mortals can rule in Israel. (Should Satan succeed in turning all the world evil (as with the Days of Noah) then Christ will slay all of them)
The woman is simply Israel.

That makes no sense, because he is called the antichrist when the Lord kills him (2 thess 2).
No, he is not called the Antichrist in 2thess2. He is called the man of sin, son of perdition. Also called "that Wicked". But he is never called the Antichrist in 2thess2. Nor in Revelation.

The person is "the Antichrist" only when he is the King of Israel. When the Jews reject him as being their King, for going into the temple and claiming to be God, he is no longer "the Antichrist", but the revealed man of sin, son of perdition, "that Wicked".
As long as he is rejecting Jesus Christ as the real Messiah, and claiming to be God in place of Christ, he is the spirit of antichrist according to scripture
You do not understand what "the christ" or "the messiah" means. It means the promised great King of Israel, son of David. "The Antichrist" will be the another coming in his own name (someone who God did not send to be their king) who the Jews will embrace - for a short period.

no matter what people call him or why. It isn't about whether he's Israel's Antichrist or not (he must be the world's antichrist). The AC certainly would not have changed his view of himself as God, so how is he no longer "the Antichrist". :confused:
The person is "the Antichrist" only for while he is King of Israel. Before then, he is the 7th (Julio-Claudian) king of the Roman empire, the little horn.

After his stint as the King of Israel, and the Jews reject him, he is no longer the Antichrist, but the man of sin who goes on to become the beast in Revelation the 8th king of the Roman Empire.

There is no mention of the Antichrist in Revelation. It is the same person of course, but in Revelation he is not in the role of being the Antichrist., illicit king of Israel.

Everything in Revelation is him as associated with the Roman Empire, not Israel. You could say that he is the man of sin, the 7th king, or the 8th king, or the beast - but he is not the King of Israel anywhere in Revelation.

I know all this is a shock to your system. But think about it for a while.

You were once the captain of your high school football team, the tigers. You are no longer captain. You now are the CEO of General Motors. It would be wrong to call you football team captain of the tigers, as you are no longer in that role.
 
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What is you view of the current Middle East setting with potential for the fulfillment of [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]?

Do you think that the little horn will lead the Muslims of the Middle East in the fulfillment of these prophecies?

Well, my view is that that nations are digging a pit they will fall into. The battle will happen, but they will probably destroy themselves as the Midianites did, and then Christ is going to step on the scene.

I actually believe the little horn was Herod the Great. Yeah. I know. It would take some time, which I don't have at the moment. But the Ram/Goat vision was the major vision applying to Israel, and I don't believe it pertains to the end times. Maybe though.

THe end times are portrayed by Daniel 7's Beast and the stories of Nebucadnezzar and of Belshazzar.
 
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