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The line of Cain survived the Flood

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This entire thread is unbiblical tripe from the mind of Arnold Murray, the "leader" of Shepherd's Chapel cult:

ARNOLD MURRAY AND THE SHEPHERD'S CHAPEL

"The Serpent Seed Doctrine and the Kenites
Another central teaching of Arnold Murray is the serpent seed doctrine. According to Murray, Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Cor. 11:3, Murray uses the word "beguiled" to mean "wholly seduced." Hence, Murray claims the Serpent sexually seduced Eve who then became pregnant with Cain; the devil's literal offspring. Murray asserts that the offspring of Cain are called the "Kenites." He also states that the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid." (Genesis 1:1-6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human.Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the "creed" of the Shepherd's Chapel, Murray states, "We believe in an existing Satan… who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44-47)." (Our Statement of Faith, p. 2) In John 8:44-47, the context clearly states that these people who are the "children of the devil" are Jews (8:31-58)."


I take extreme offense at this post! I DO study with Arnold Murray among other teachers. I'm not afraid to say I do and I'm not ashamed of studying with him. Have you went and looked at that tape about hybrid? Not one time have I heard him teach that! When did it become alright to insult and offend your brethren. A house divided won't stand.

I study with Arnold Murray ... You don't know me or any of the others who do. I follow Jesus first ... I study with Shepherd's chapel ... I don't repeat anything I haven't personally studied and know to be what I believe. I do good when I see the need and am enables, I do no one any intended harm, and I love Jesus with all my heart. I will pray for you.

This was a free flowing thread where ideas were being exchanged in complete harmony. I'm reminded of an old saying ... when confusion walked in the door.

I'm reminded of another old saying ... you don't have to put someone else's candle out for yours to shine.

I have no time for people who spend their time being 'inspectors of who is or isn't qualified'. Arnold Murray is a child of God whether you think so or not. It would seem a real good idea to make darn good and sure what you're accusing someone of ... especially when it's a church and it's whole congregation that reaches the world.

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WRONG. I did not learn this from Arnold Murray, nor do I listen to him. He is not the only one who teaches or believes it.

I never heard of him myself either, but I havent heard of alot of things, I just study for myself and very much out of the loop. I only hear of rumors here and there on forums like this concerning the various perspectives out there.
 
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I take extreme offense at this post! I DO study with Arnold Murray among other teachers. I'm not afraid to say I do and I'm not ashamed of studying with him. Have you went and looked at that tape about hybrid? Not one time have I heard him teach that! When did it become alright to insult and offend your brethren. A house divided won't stand.

I study with Arnold Murray ... You don't know me or any of the others who do. I follow Jesus first ... I study with Shepherd's chapel ... I don't repeat anything I haven't personally studied and know to be what I believe. I do good when I see the need and am enables, I do no one any intended harm, and I love Jesus with all my heart. I will pray for you.

This was a free flowing thread where ideas were being exchanged in complete harmony. I'm reminded of an old saying ... when confusion walked in the door.

I'm reminded of another old saying ... you don't have to put someone else's candle out for yours to shine.

I have no time for people who spend their time being 'inspectors of who is or isn't qualified'. Arnold Murray is a child of God whether you think so or not. It would seem a real good idea to make darn good and sure what you're accusing someone of ... especially when it's a church and it's whole congregation that reaches the world.

jmview

What God says is the only thing that matters. Arnold Murray and those who follow his unbiblical teachings are not in agreement with what God actually said.

Satan did not have sex with Eve and conceive Cain - (nor did satan have sex with Adam, Zadok) - that is offensive and unbiblical. Anyone who teaches such tripe needs to be corrected.

Genesis 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.
 
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John 8:37-45
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. [Esau, Edom was Abraham's seed.]
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matthew 12:24, 34
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
34 O generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23:29-33
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Luke 3:7-8
7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

gennema, n. - fruit, product, yield, harvest, offspring, brood:- translated in the New Testament as generation [4x], fruit [3x], fruits [2x] Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary reference #1081

echidna, n. - viper, snake:-translated in the New Testament as vipers [4x], viper [1x]

I'll post for you all the other verses which contain these Greek words, just to show that gennema echidna is only used in this context in the aforementioned verses.

Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit [gennema] of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit [gennema] of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luke 12:18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits [gennema] and my goods.

Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit [gennema] of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

2 Corinthians 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits [gennema] of your righteousness.

Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper [echidna] out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.

And now take a look at this:

"In the most ancient layers of Greek mythology, Echidna (Greek: Ἔχιδνα, ekhis, ἔχις, meaning "she viper") was called the "Mother of All Monsters" because most of the monsters in Greek myth were the offspring of Echidna and her husband Typhon...Echidna was a drakaina [female dragon], with the face and torso of a beautiful woman (depicted as winged in archaic vase-paintings) and the body of a serpent, sometimes having two serpent's tails." from Echidna (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Is it not likely that Yahshua Christ was aware of this other meaning for the word echidna?

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Seems pretty clear that Yahshua is talking to and about people that cannot be saved. They cannot even hear the truth. So, you tell me. Who are these people, and where did they come from?
 
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And now take a look at this:

"In the most ancient layers of Greek mythology, Echidna (Greek: Ἔχιδνα, ekhis, ἔχις, meaning "she viper") was called the "Mother of All Monsters" because most of the monsters in Greek myth were the offspring of Echidna and her husband Typhon...Echidna was a drakaina [female dragon], with the face and torso of a beautiful woman (depicted as winged in archaic vase-paintings) and the body of a serpent, sometimes having two serpent's tails." from Echidna (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Is it not likely that Yahshua Christ was aware of this other meaning for the word echidna?

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Seems pretty clear that Yahshua is talking to and about people that cannot be saved. They cannot even hear the truth. So, you tell me. Who are these people, and where did they come from?

And now you are actually using Mythology to prove your nonbiblical point? Who is our Authority? God or myths? The Word of God or Mythology? You asked, "Is it not likely that Yahshua Christ was aware of this other meaning for the word echidna?" from Mythology!

1Ti 1:3As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
1Ti 1:4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work-which is by faith.


You have gone off on a tangeant, out of Scriptural domain, teaching things that have origins in mythology as Biblical truth.

If you truly want to know the identity of the seed of satan, the children of the devil, stick to the Scriptural definition:

1 John 3


1How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears,we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. Love one another

11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.

16This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 17If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 19This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence 20whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
 
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I don't see how that passages from John's letter in any way contradict the point I made in my last post.

This whole thread is about Cain and how you think he is satan's son because you believe satan supposedly had sex with Eve, even going so far as to say Cain's line survived the flood (apart from Noah and his family) - both are unscriptural.

Scripturally, the seed of the serpent are those who do what satan does - abide in sin/hate righteousness, and the children of God are those who are born of the Spirit of God and obey God.

It's not quite as mythological as you make it out to be.
 
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This whole thread is about Cain and how you think he is satan's son because you believe satan supposedly had sex with Eve, even going so far as to say Cain's line survived the flood (apart from Noah and his family) - both are unscriptural.

Scripturally, the seed of the serpent are those who do what satan does - abide in sin/hate righteousness, and the children of God are those who are born of the Spirit of God and obey God.

It's not quite as mythological as you make it out to be.

Hi Swordsman, I would like to make a comment.

I don't buy into all the Kenite, the Jews are the bloodline of Satan, stuff.

I think the serpent was possessed by Satan, because the serpent was cursed to crawl upon it belly in the dust - which I don't think happen to Satan himself.

The serpent was cursed to crawl on the ground and eat dust. Genesis 3:14. The indication is that the serpent was among the beasts created here on earth. So the serpent became a snake.

The enmity is between the woman and the serpent (after being cursed) to being a snake. Between thy seed (the snake's seed) and her seed (humans). Which is pretty much the case when it comes to humans and snakes.

But here comes the interesting part (in blue) that must be read carefully.

3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Her seed shall bruise "thy" head. Meaning the head of that particular serpent (not the seed of the serpent's heads. So it is not talking about men crushing snakes heads in general).

And thou (that particular serpent) shall bruise his (the seed of the woman) heel. That particular serpent was possessed by Satan. So God is talking to Satan. And the seed of the woman who will bruise Satan's head is Jesus.

Doug L.

 
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This entire thread is unbiblical tripe from the mind of Arnold Murray, the "leader" of Shepherd's Chapel cult:

ARNOLD MURRAY AND THE SHEPHERD'S CHAPEL

"The Serpent Seed Doctrine and the Kenites
Another central teaching of Arnold Murray is the serpent seed doctrine. According to Murray, Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Cor. 11:3, Murray uses the word "beguiled" to mean "wholly seduced." Hence, Murray claims the Serpent sexually seduced Eve who then became pregnant with Cain; the devil's literal offspring. Murray asserts that the offspring of Cain are called the "Kenites." He also states that the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid." (Genesis 1:1-6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human. Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the "creed" of the Shepherd's Chapel, Murray states, "We believe in an existing Satan… who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44-47)." (Our Statement of Faith, p. 2) In John 8:44-47, the context clearly states that these people who are the "children of the devil" are Jews (8:31-58)."
I used to listen to Mr Murray...no shame there at all...
a good teacher

what you have posted is not truth about him...if you are interested in truth, that is....



it is sad when folks do that...
they take hear-say and go with it as truth..
it is as bad as gossip...worse because much of what you posted was outright lies
your "source" is corrupt

#1...the Sheperd's Chapel is not a cult...

#2...the kenites are NOT Jews, and Murray does not claim that they are...
what he claims is that some of the Jews (scribes) of Christ's day were not really Jews by heritage, but rather kenites that were counted as Judah under false pretences, whch 1Chr2:55 seems to support fully

#3...beguiled DOES mean wholly seduced in 2Cor11
(look the word up yourself if you do not believe me)

#4...Mr Murray claims that even a kentite has the same chance as you and I do,
to go through the blood of Christ

#5...Mr Murray does not teach that the Jews are the children of the devil,
but rather he teaches that they are our brothers


Jen, does God want you to use hearsay? or lies?
think about it...

these are a few of the lies you have just spread about a Christian brother
shame on you
 
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What God says is the only thing that matters. Arnold Murray and those who follow his unbiblical teachings are not in agreement with what God actually said.
why do you continually lie Jen?

Satan did not have sex with Eve and conceive Cain -
sure he did...
seed Jen, pregnancy...labour pains...twins....seduction...

(nor did satan have sex with Adam, Zadok) - that is offensive and unbiblical. Anyone who teaches such tripe needs to be corrected.
sometimes one persons tripe is the actual truth.

personally I do not believe that Satan had sex with adam...
I think Satan had sex with eve, and then taught adam to do the same....

but ya never know...
it's not like we do not have president with Sodom ya know! (as Zadok mentioned)

Genesis 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.
Gen3 shows Satan had sex with Eve and had seed
and at the end of that declaration, Adam also knows his wife

the chapter divisions and punctuation were recent additions, many centuries after the text was written...

they messed up by a few words, with regards to the chapter divisions from 3-4

(not that I think you'll agree...but it's truth)
 
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This whole thread is about Cain and how you think he is satan's son because you believe satan supposedly had sex with Eve, even going so far as to say Cain's line survived the flood (apart from Noah and his family) - both are unscriptural.
unscriptural eh? really?

and yet there they are...
mentioned both before and after the flood...
hey, and they are at odds with Israel all through the Bible...hmmm...
must be coincidence right?
 
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Hi Swordsman, I would like to make a comment.

I don't buy into all the Kenite, the Jews are the bloodline of Satan, stuff.

I think the serpent was possessed by Satan, because the serpent was cursed to crawl upon it belly in the dust - which I don't think happen to Satan himself.

The serpent was cursed to crawl on the ground and eat dust. Genesis 3:14. The indication is that the serpent was among the beasts created here on earth. So the serpent became a snake.

The enmity is between the woman and the serpent (after being cursed) to being a snake. Between thy seed (the snake's seed) and her seed (humans). Which is pretty much the case when it comes to humans and snakes.

But here comes the interesting part (in blue) that must be read carefully.

3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Her seed shall bruise "thy" head. Meaning the head of that particular serpent (not the seed of the serpent's heads. So it is not talking about men crushing snakes heads in general).

And thou (that particular serpent) shall bruise his (the seed of the woman) heel. That particular serpent was possessed by Satan. So God is talking to Satan. And the seed of the woman who will bruise Satan's head is Jesus.

Doug L.


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wow :( what a sad, sorrowful day for those who love and serve God :(

Matthew 24:8-10
the destruction of the temple and signs before the end

All these things are the beginning of sorrows.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

And then shall many be offended and shall betray one another.

wow :cry: Abba, Father, I plead for Your mercy and grace and strength for those who love and serve you to Your glory!
 
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Cain, Qayin

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain [Qayin], and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Genesis 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites [Qayini], and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]es, and the Jebusites.

Numbers 24:22 Nevertheless the Kenite [Qayin] shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive.

Judges 1:16 And the children of the Kenite [Qayini], Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.

Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite [Qayini], which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites [Qayin], and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Judges 4:17 Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite [Qayini]: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite [Qayini].

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite [Qayini] be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

1 Samuel 15:6 And Saul said unto the Kenites [Qayini], Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites [Qayini] departed from among the Amalekites.

1 Samuel 27:10 And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites [Qayini].

1 Samuel 30:29 And to them which were in Rachal, and to them which were in the cities of the Jerahmeelites, and to them which were in the cities of the Kenites [Qayini],

1 Chronicles 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites [Qayini] that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Could it be that the children of Cain associated themselves with the Israelites in order to draw them away from Yahweh?

I know many still believe that the Flood was global, but I do not. The Hebrew words translated as "earth" in Genesis chapters 6-10 are 'eretz and 'adamah. Usually 'eretz is used. 'adamah is only used six times. Both words can be translated as "land". In fact, that's how they are translated predominantly throughout the Old Testament. 'adamah is rendered "land" 122 times, "earth" 52 times, "ground" 43 times, etc.. 'eretz is rendered "land" 1508 times, "earth" 712 times, "ground" 98 times, etc.. And we all know, or should know, that the original meaning of "earth" in English is "soil" or "ground", not the entire world.

Note that there are some interesting phrases which occur in the Old Testament, "son of Belial, sons of Belial, children of Belial". Are these offspring of Belial the result of Israelites intermarrying with Canaanites, or even the descendants of Cain/Qayin?

The lineage of Cain did not survive the Noachian Flood, for all of mankind that now exists came through the lineage of Noah, whose forefather was Seth, not Cain.(Gen 5:3, 28, 29)

The Hebrew word for Cain is qayin (Strong's # H7014) and is not associated with "the Kenites"(Hebrew qeyniy, Strong's # H7017), nor was Abel Cain's twin brother, for the Hebrew word yacaph (Strong's # H3254 means "to add" or to "conceive again") is used by Moses at Genesis 4:2 is given the meaning "and she is proceeding" (online interlinear Scipture4all ), or "later" (New World Translation) and is used again at Genesis 38:5 regarding Judah's wife Shua giving birth to Shelah, saying: "And she yet again conceived (Hebrew yacaph, "Yet another time she went on to bear a son", New World Translation), and bare a son (after the birth of Onan); and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him."(King James Bible)

Also Eve said, after the birth of Cain, that "I have produced a man (singular, Hebrew ish, not men, as in twins, Hebrew a·dham´[man or mankind, as at Genesis 1:26; 7:21],without the definite article) with the aid of Jehovah."(Gen 4:1, New World Translation) Thus, Abel was born later, being the second child born later to Adam and Eve after the birth of Cain.
 
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No, not at all. Some people even believe that Cain was the son of Eve and Samael (Satan, the Serpent), rather than Adam and Eve. I won't go into detail about it here, but I have studied the subject in-depth and believe it to be a possibility.

This post of yours is as far as I've read this thread. Perhaps someone has pointed out that Cain could not possibly have been the son of Satan, as all men descend from Adam and because of Adam, not Eve, all men die.

Acts 17:26 NIV
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

Acts 17:26 KJV
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

1 Corinthians 15:22 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

The serpent seed doctrine is a slippery slope to white supremecy which is as false as anything can get!
 
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I'm reminded of another old saying ... you don't have to put someone else's candle out for yours to shine.

There are people on this earth who have been deceived and Arnold Murray is most certainly one of them. He has a large following, but great numbers of followers doesn't make a teaching correct. To expose false teachings is certainly not putting out another's candle.
 
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7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. Love one another

:amen: Thank you for your devotion to truth.
 
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Genesis 3:13

And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

beguiled ... Strong's 5377 ... to lead astray ... seduce ... greatly, x utterly

And what did the serpent actually do according to the word of God and the dictionaries of English words?

seduce:

–verb (used with object), -duced, -duc·ing.
1. to lead astray, as from duty, rectitude, or the like; corrupt.
2. to persuade or induce to have sexual intercourse.
3. to lead or draw away, as from principles, faith, or allegiance: He was seduced by the prospect of gain.
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2 Corinthians 11:3 NIV
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

beguile:

1. to influence by trickery, flattery, etc.; mislead; delude.
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It had to do with Eve's mind, not with sexual intercourse!
 
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