The line of Cain survived the Flood

Swordsmanoffaith said:

Lifespan is 70 years, Biblically:

Psa 90:10The length of our days is seventy years-- or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

The 120 years that God spoke of in Genesis 6 refers to fallen flesh:

Genesis 6:3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


God counts the years in Jubilees or 50's:


Lev 25:8And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
10And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
11A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. 12For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.


120 x 50 = 6000

Six days of work which is 120 Jubilees, followed by a day of rest, the Sabbath, the millenium, during which the glorified church reigns alongside the glorified Christ.

This why the church is removed and glorified at the last trumpet (Jubilee) before the Day of the Lord.

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Fireinfolding said:

The ark is my favorite study I wanna know more about how it applies, you know?

He is flesh, man is flesh, covenantally I wonder if "ye are no more in the flesh but in the Spirit if the Spirit of Christ be in you".

Theres something in the flesh part as I see Christ as the Ark which KEPT which THOU BRAKEST pertaining to the second set of stones which were in accord with the first, the Ark was to also GO ahead of them into the Jordan... whereas "BEHOLD, the Lamb of God" (fulfilling all righteousness) whereas Jesus said DESTROY this temple and I will RAISE it UP and where is it in revelation but in heaven (raised up) and seen in the temple in heaven was the ARK of HIS testament) the death of the testor shown in Jesus Christ, which would make perfect sense of how he abolished the law contained in the ordinces IN HIS FLESH = TEMPLE of God (being destroyed) and RAISED UP so the flesh of Jesus Christ and the ark and how 120 fits in really interests me as there are so many connections its hard to write down, but these things are so interesting to me. If you find anything further please clue me in on it ok li'?

Just because its also interesting (covenantly) a seventy years is determined as it pertains to transgressions which are intricately entwined with the old man (our old man was crucified with Christ) and how Adam was 930 years old and how added together in accord with that speaks in accord with "a reign" and that a reign of death wherein again Moses and Adam are specifically named, and Christ who come in the volume of the book, fulfiller of the things therein and who lives a thousand years twice told in the similtude must somehow fit together in a really kool way, all things considered ofcourse. Not always easy to see when you give a thing a first glance as you would the paper with your morning coffee (so to speak)

I find these things utterly fascinatin' myself, bless you lil'

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kitty4038 said:

I also have studied and considered if Eve did in fact have sex with the devil, but did Adam also?



Trees are often used as metaphors in the Bible for Places and People. It is possible that man created the Apple eating Eve, because it sounded better, then Even had sex with the devil.

Either way, the message is the same, they disobeyed God and were seduced by Satan, and their sin lead tho death for all.

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lilmissmontana said:

That's cool, Fire ... fascinating! Oh, me too! (about the ark) ... but then everything in the Word fascinates me ... I think my family wonders if I'll ever come up for air

I have a study somehwere ... I need to get organized ... anyway it shows Jesus as our Ark now ... and that makes total sense to me ... He says worship Him in the Spirit ... and flesh won't go to heaven ... so He's the only Spiritual Ark I can think of. My understanding of 'rightly dividing the Word' isn't 'properly dissecting' it (although that's important) but it's dividing the flesh teaching from the spiritual teaching.

something else that keeps jumping in my mind through this last part of this thread is the generations ... I'm trying to remember ... it seems there are 3 different time spans for a generation ... yes, one is 70 ... but I think (don't quote me on this) one is 30? and one 120 ... one of the generations that comes to mind is the generation following the final planting of the fig tree (Israel) is 70 years ... but it's been so long I'd have to check to verify any of that but the fig tree generation ...

and you keep me filled in, as well ... I LOVE this thread ... thank you, John ... I've got to get better at this ... by the time I get my posts in a thoughtful way to post ... you guys are moving on

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Fireinfolding said:

I lost my own website I used to store alot of my favorite docs which held alot of the numbers I was looking at (spiritually speaking wise) not more after a time and date wise, but I love them when my sites supporter went out of business and I didnt check my mail (all that time!! LOL)

Anyhoo, the number of men abouts is stated in the upper room in acts is also said to be 120 too, which is often seen before a change or and exchange or crossing over.

Well, we all obviously we know they are in there and we all (in various ways just "line em all up" and say SEE? They are in there but rarely understand anything beyond the WOW And we sit and ponder how one another sets up the numbers and either go "WOW (rarely) or I dunno dont sound right bro" or "your an idot" (the more godly response ofcourse) LOL

Who knows? God knows, and God give us wisdom cause I stink at numbers and when it says let him who has wisdom count, I know I am not of that registry

Poor John is probrobly being a good sport but thinking GET BACK on topic (sorry John) I always preferred "As the topic turns" because it always does when I pop in and fustrate folks (hides under rock)

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lilmissmontana said:

thank you for all that ... I'll mull it over

some cross references for Genesis 6:3 from my KJV

Psalm 78:39
being punished, Israel returns to God

For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind passeth away, and cometh not again.

Galatians 5:16
walking in the Spirit

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 Peter 3:19
suffering and reward

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

I totally get that this is about 'the Holy Spirit striving in the senses of judging or executing judgement on mankind for it's sinfulness and the spirit that God put in humans would not always abide; i.e. mankind was doomed to death' (from KJV The Ryrie study bible) it gives a cross reference of

1 Peter 3:20

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of NOAH, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

So, yes you're correct ... it is speaking to the nature of the flesh and it's conflict with the Holy Spirit

So ... your verse ... my first fleshly thought was ... so how do you explain the many people who live well over 70 years ... I've been working hard to leave my flesh out of things so I'm going to try (hopefull, successfully ) to answer with the help of the Holy Spirit.

your verse
Psalm 90:10 KJV version

The days of our years are threescore years and ten: and if by reason and strength they be fourscore years yet is their strength labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

threescore and ten ... agreed 70 - 80

my understanding of this verse ... extension of years is a mixed blessing ... I have no understanding that this is the final answer on the life span of man ..

cross reference verses

3 Kings 19:35
Isaiah's prophecy and Judah's deliverance

Ecclesiastes 12:2-7
vanity and fear of God

Jeremiah 20:18
Jeremiah's lament

Psalm 78:39
being punished, Israel's return to God

Job 20:8
Zophar speaks of the wicked

My point with these verses is not to say they unsupport your view of 70 years .... it's to say they don't support your view of 70 any more than the verse I gave supports 120 years ... it would seem to me if Psalm 90:10 was the final decision of man's life span at least one of the cross references would have backed it up ... and they don't ... and neither do mine back up the 120 years.

I didn't offer the verse as "proof". Perhaps, I should have made that more clear .

At the same time the whole thing with the jubilees as the way to measure the lifespan of man ... well, that's a new one to me ... but I will look at it. ... however I can't, reading the verses you offered on the jubilee counting and knowing what I know of the jubileees (not a huge amount ... but a fair amount) ... I can't by any stretch at this time see a connection to those and man's life span. If that were the case you could take the verse about our time and God's not the same ... His being a day for our thousand years and decide 70 + 10 = 80,000 ... I don't mean to be disrespectful ... I just don't get how you applied that.

I acknowledge fully that I can not possibly know why God does anything ... but I can see where He might decide if He continued to let man live long life spans they might corrupt themselves in that amount of time to no return ... especially in the context of the not always walking in the Spirit, but in the flesh ...

it's my mind that if I can conceive of it ... then it's a possibility because God certainly can conceive it, as well, and way beyond ...

maybe it's time to go test that 120 year thing and see if I can find anyone who lived a lifespan longer than that in the bible after that time or some other verses on life span. I keep thinking there's another verse about it (120), but I can't place it ... and it's been ages ago and many piles of notes, so who knows where those notes are

I'll do some homework before I come back ... thanks for making a moment for me ...













so ... how do you see a generation

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lilmissmontana said:

Just dropping by to let you know I'm still reading ... Zeke, John, Fire ... those of you adding to the Truth of the are doing plenty well without my 2 cents ...

haven't felt the need to add anything until now ... and I'm not even sure if what I'm about to add changes anything or applies but I seem to feel the need so I'm going with it. (please don't take that to mean I felt inspired by the Lord ... it may be, but I don't know that)

I think the reason this verse keeps coming to me when I read your posts is because mostly ... 120 years and the age of men thing ...

Genesis 6:3
wickedness of mankind

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

My understanding on that verse is that the Lord shortened the length of a man lifetime to no more than 120 years becuase of all the evil doings of mankind.

So logically Noah and those older couldn't be applied there ... I was taught through an extensive few hours that since the days of Noah no one born has been older than 120 years ... now, I haven't studied out whether or not there has been ... at the time everything I did check out in the study was true andaccurate and I took this part to be so until I knew for sure or different. It does explain the difference in lengths of ages. And it would seem equally logical to me that any of the other 'flesh' on the ark might have been passed that 120 years as well ...

like I said, not sure if it even applies ... just felt the 'need' to post it

at any rate ... this is a fun thread to follow ... you don't often run into others who believe alng these lines

have a wonderful afternoon ... and thanks for the cool things I learned here to add to my understanding ...

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John Christian V said:

That's a good point, lilmiss.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Also, the curse on Eve had to do with the result of a sexual union.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

You're right, of course. The apple is an absolute invention. Same as the idea that Satan rules over hell. Hell is a prison for demons and fallen angels as well as humans. The bible provides no evidence that demonic spirits or fallen angels have anything to do with tormenting lost souls. Just as it never states that fallen angels are demons. I believe demons are the spirits of the Nephilim, half-angel, half-human.

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zeke37 said:

Hello

there are some biblical examples of folks that lived longer than 120, after the flood...
here are a few examples

Pegleg (239)
Reu (239)
Serug (230)
Terah (205)
Salah (438 i think)
Abraham (175)
Eber (464)
Ishmael (137)
Isaac (180)
Jacob (147)
Levi (137)

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