The line of Cain survived the Flood

[RufustheRed]

Try to stay on topic please...

1. Probably should refrain from defining what off topic and what isn't to the author of the OP.

2. Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann
   

   Do you believe that God created men's spirits before their bodies were made? Were some spirits put in Satan's descendants through Cain and some in Adam's descendants through Seth?
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Please explain how this is off topic. It appears that these are very applicable questions, indeed.

Rufus
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[Rescued One]

Try to stay on topic please...

You obviously want to control this thread and avoid answering pertinent questions. Maybe you don't have answers to the following questions. In that case, a polite response would be to admit that you don't know if God created spirits prior to creating men's bodies. I'd like to know why it's so important that the line of Cain survived the flood. And I'd like to know what the answers to the following questions are.

1. Do you believe that God created men's spirits before their bodies were made?

2. Were some spirits put in Satan's descendants through Cain and some in Adam's descendants through Seth?

 

[Zadok7000]

You obviously want to control this thread and avoid answering pertinent questions.

Yeah you caught me.
Your questions were entirely irrelevant to my post that you quoted, forgive me for not seeing the connection. I don't think you are being an honest broker, sorry.

I'd like to know why it's so important that the line of Cain survived the flood.

And the LORD God said unto the serpent...I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

seed = zera - sperm virile, offspring, descendants, posterity, children

 

[Rescued One]

Yeah you caught me.
Your questions were entirely irrelevant to my post that you quoted, forgive me for not seeing the connection. I don't think you are being an honest broker, sorry.

And the LORD God said unto the serpent...I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

seed = zera - sperm virile, offspring, descendants, posterity, children

So you still haven't found the answers to:

1. Do you believe that God created men's spirits before their bodies were made?

2. Were some spirits put in Satan's descendants through Cain and some in Adam's descendants through Seth?

 

[Zadok7000]

So you still haven't found the answers to:

1. Do you believe that God created men's spirits before their bodies were made?

2. Were some spirits put in Satan's descendants through Cain and some in Adam's descendants through Seth?

As soon as you demonstrate their relevance in relation to my posts.

 

[Rescued One]

The purpose of the flood was to destroy wicked men and preserve only righteous souls. Animals are not capable of sin or salvation.

Do you two-seedline people believe that there was an entirely different reason for the flood?

 

[razeontherock]

Some people even believe that Cain was the son of Eve and Samael (Satan, the Serpent), I have studied the subject in-depth and believe it to be a possibility.

Nope!

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD."


The "serpent seed" theory is exhaustively de-bunked. As much sense as it would make, and as simple as it would be, life really is more complex than that.

 

[razeontherock]

Genesis 6:3
wickedness of mankind

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

My understanding on that verse is that the Lord shortened the length of a man lifetime to no more than 120 years becuase of all the evil doings of mankind.

I was taught through an extensive few hours that since the days of Noah no one born has been older than 120 years

Not true, plenty lived longer than that after the flood. the 120 years was given as a "divine countdown." If mankind didn't repent in 120 years -

Judgment by Flood.

And the rest is history.

 

[razeontherock]

And as for Adam having intercourse with the devil, he would have had to in order to be guilty of the same transgression as Eve.

This is why it doesn't work. Eve is going to tempt Adam into .. How does that work?

 

[razeontherock]

Originally Posted by byhisstripes
It seems like such a petty thing to kill over.

It was. Cain killed Abel because of pride and envy.

Was it? Consider:

these brothers did not sit down over a nice meal and have conversation, as we discuss online differences of opinion. The KNEW one had their sacrifice accepted, and the other rejected! They did not think this was petty at all.

Likewise, we can KNOW our sacrifice is accepted, because it will make a REAL difference. "Our" sacrifice of course not being ours at all, but the Lamb of God.

 

[trialbyfire]

The purpose of the flood was to destroy wicked men and preserve only righteous souls. Animals are not capable of sin or salvation.

Do you two-seedline people believe that there was an entirely different reason for the flood?

He is not going to answer you because you have proven him to be wrong with your questions.

Shepherd's Chapel followers just follow blindly and don't really think about the ramifications of their unscriptural beliefs.

He won't be back because answering your questions according to his belief system, will make him look foolish and he knows it.

 

[Rescued One]

He is not going to answer you because you have proven him to be wrong with your questions.

Shepherd's Chapel followers just follow blindly and don't really think about the ramifications of their unscriptural beliefs.

He won't be back because answering your questions according to his belief system, will make him look foolish and he knows it.

Shepherd's Chapel is not the only serpent seed group out there. I don't know which group Zadok follows. But I think those groups consider people who disagree with them to be contemptable hybrids of Satan and Adam. So you have to wonder if their only purpose in posting here is to find other people who agree with their teachings or are at least open to their teachings. They certainly show little interest in discussion.

 

[lilmissmontana]

He is not going to answer you because you have proven him to be wrong with your questions.

Shepherd's Chapel followers just follow blindly and don't really think about the ramifications of their unscriptural beliefs.

He won't be back because answering your questions according to his belief system, will make him look foolish and he knows it.[/quote]

three paragraphs ... three accusations ... I choose to remember that Jesus is not the accuser ... that is a spirit not of the Lord

I've made it a point of not being sucked back in by this incredible need I see in some to be right ... at all cost. Because you've backed this thread back up to the Shepherd's Chapel ... and that WAS many posts ago that anyone was posting who studies or proclaims to with SC ... well, because you did I'm making one more post. You see, you've made it personal ... as far as I know, I'm the only one claiming to be a student of Shepherd's Chapel. What possible reason could any one have for backing it up to there when that one was gone and said so. :o

Regardless of who likes what, Shepherd's chapel students and congregation are members of the body of Christ. I can only guess you know you can't know another's heart ... I can only guess you know the difference between judgement and discernment, in it's basest form, is not putting a therefore on what you 'see' ... I can only guess that you know we're to edify the body of Christ ... not tear it down. I can only guess you would know that those followers you so blatantly accuse of blindly following are children of God ... that they claim Jesus as their Saviour and that that makes them part of the body of Christ. I can only guess you then ... knowing they are fellow Christians ... would not wish to offend them ... and that what we do to the least of them we do to Jesus ... I mean considering they, too, are of the Lord. I can only guess you know that we're not allowed to judge the intent of the heart ... you see, I can only guess ... I'm not allowed to assume ... therein, all I have to work with is your statement of 'truth' in what I discern ... with what shall I work with concerning your knowledge of the 'truth' ... should that be the the slandering of another child of the Lord.

your "assumption' that we blindly follow ... well ... it makes it just what it is ... assuming you know what you can't know ... and in my very humble opinion have no right to proclaim you do ... but, the Lord will be the one to justify ... not me ... and not you ... I know that I will stand before the Lord one day and give account of my actions and words ... I'm of the knowledge that I won't be standing there giving account of what any one here is saying ... but only account of myself ... nor will any one else here being standing here giving account for me ...

iow ... I won't be saying ... 'but Lord, you should accept me because I pulled the plank out of so and so's eye' ... I pray, God willing, I will be saying ... 'thank you, Lord, for knowing the intent of my heart ... and that the intent of my heart was to do as You say ... love You above all and love everyone else as myself' ...

the point of my post ... I suppose ... since the back posts of this thread are what I have to work with ... that some will say this post is off topic ... I would maintain that belittling other Christians is off-topic ... and no line was drawn there ...

Father, I stand before You, here in front of my accusers and with outstretched arms I cry, Abba, Father! You know I am of You and You know how much it hurts me to see other Christians being verbally abused ... all I can say is, Abba, Father ... my strength is not in me, but in You ... I know not what to even pray for here ... Father, I do pray blessings from You for those who are not here to speak for themselves ... such as Arnold Murray and his students ... those that don't even know they're being slandered ... I pray for those who have been 'judged' by the world as not of you ... I pray for those who are of you that come across this thread ... who knows when ... and feels the sorrow I feel over how man treats others in the name of Jesus and how much deeper the sorrow when others of the Lord stand silently by ... as always, Father, in Jesus name and Your will I gladly turn this over directly to You. Amen.

when someone chooses to not 'discuss' ... perhaps it's called shaking the dust off after having been rejected as from the Lord ... perhaps it's having the wisdom to know when there's nothing more to say ... perhaps it's knowing we can only plant the seeds, we can't grow them ... perhaps a lot of things ... what I know for sure is ... not I nor anyone else here know why someone elses says or does what they do ... the heart is the Lord's territory ... the only right we have there is to love ...

 

[Zadok7000]

But I think those groups consider people who disagree with them to be contemptable hybrids of Satan and Adam.

Think again. That accusation is laughable actually. I can only speak for myself of course...you are pig-headed but not a Kenite.

So you have to wonder if their only purpose in posting here is to find other people who agree with their teachings or are at least open to their teachings. They certainly show little interest in discussion.

You are the one not discussing the scriptures in this thread. If you would stay on topic and stop playing "gotcha", it would be far more productive.

 

[Rescued One]

three paragraphs ... three accusations ... I choose to remember that Jesus is not the accuser ... that is a spirit not of the Lord

Serpent Seed people are full of accusations. To declare that some humans descend from Satan with absolutely nothing to back up such nonsense is totally wrong, but you try to jump on another person saying that they are not Christlike.

I've made it a point of not being sucked back in by this incredible need I see in some to be right ... at all cost. Because you've backed this thread back up to the Shepherd's Chapel ... and that WAS many posts ago that anyone was posting who studies or proclaims to with SC ... well, because you did I'm making one more post. You see, you've made it personal ... as far as I know, I'm the only one claiming to be a student of Shepherd's Chapel. What possible reason could any one have for backing it up to there when that one was gone and said so. :o

You claimed to be gone, but unless you were interested in what was being discussed, you wouldn't know that anyone mentioned Shepherd's Chapel.

when someone chooses to not 'discuss' ... perhaps it's called shaking the dust off after having been rejected as from the Lord ... perhaps it's having the wisdom to know when there's nothing more to say ... perhaps it's knowing we can only plant the seeds, we can't grow them ... perhaps a lot of things ... what I know for sure is ... not I nor anyone else here know why someone elses says or does what they do ... the heart is the Lord's territory ... the only right we have there is to love ...

I don't consider myself in charge of another's conversion. But I am called to declare what is true. And if something is false, the Christian needs to be bold enough to say so.

 

[RufustheRed]

Think again. That accusation is laughable actually. I can only speak for myself of course...you are pig-headed but not a Kenite.

A another fine example of speaking the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) Why would you propose that anyone not of your theological persuation would want to discuss anything with you if you are going to fire off these very unkind, subjective insults? Perhaps all could be better served if you stuck to the topics at hand instead of groveling around in the muck hole looking for words to insult with.

You are the one not discussing the scriptures in this thread. If you would stay on topic and stop playing "gotcha", it would be far more productive.

And if you would be willing to discuss the topic(s) instead of appointing yourself as supreme teacher and refusing to discuss any verse other than the ones that are posted or approved by you, there would be more room for understanding.

I don't believe that anyone here is qualified enough to be considered the final authority on any Bible passage, do you?

Rufus

 

[Rescued One]

Think again. That accusation is laughable actually. I can only speak for myself of course...you are pig-headed but not a Kenite.

1. Are Christians pig-headed in your view?

2. Which people are the Kenites?

3. Do Kenites write Christian quarterlies?

"How many today are teaching from a quarterly written by a Kenite, rather than teaching from God's Word?" (Shepherd's Chapel Newsletter #193, Nov. 1994).

 

[razeontherock]

Serpent Seed people are full of accusations. I know this first hand. To declare that some humans descend from Satan with absolutely nothing to back up such nonsense is totally wrong

Actually there's plenty to back this up. Noah's flood, for example. And some lived after that too, which is how we get some horrible sections of the OT, like genocide. And Jesus said the days of the Son of Man would be like the days of Noah were. Enoch left us a detailed record of that, and those 400 years Noah was preparing the ark, it wasn't pretty. Depending on how you read Rev, you could expect what's ahead to be worse!

[Please note that this does NOT revert back to any previous bickering in the thread, and any such creature would be NOTABLY different and worse than any claims made so far]

 

[Rescued One]

Whatever Satan did with Eve, he did with Adam...

and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

They both covered up their "parts" below the waist...

Not one single Bible verse supports this idea of Satan having had sex with Eve and Adam. Not one.

 

[Rescued One]

Unlike unapologetic Identity preachers, Murray doesn't condone or suggest violence against the "Kenites." "Let's get one thing straight, coming out the gate. Are you saying we should hate Judah? That would be stupid indeed," he says in one recorded sermon. Instead, Murray encourages followers to focus their energy on identifying and avoiding Kenites, claiming an end-times event will "take care" of them. In "Kenites," a widely distributed audio sermon, he claims this teaching comes directly from Jesus. Murray uses the New Testament parable of the "tares," a bitter weed that Jesus warns can grow hidden in wheat fields and go unnoticed till harvest. Murray likens the tares to the Kenites, adding, "The angels will take care of the tares — the tares are taken together in the fire — that's the end of the world — that's how it's going to be."

For Murray, the end of the world isn't an abstraction. The 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption that happened during the week of Pentecost led him to proclaim the Antichrist would return in 1981. Murray's resolve has only hardened during the 27 years since that prophecy failed to come true. He dismisses his critics as "numbskulls," "Bible-thumpers" and "yo-yos."

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