The Lake Of Fire

[FineLinen]

Well in the Canon--Jesus is the first fruits! Not people being tortured in the lake of fire or face down in a pool via your silly post of it

Jesus Christ is indeed the Archegos & Prodromos, and as Prince-Leader is bringing His brethren to being first-fruits of His grace in Himself!

 

[ClementofA]

Well in the Canon--Jesus is the first fruits! Not people being tortured in the lake of fire or face down in a pool via your silly post of it

Js.1:18 According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of his creatures.

Christ is the first of all those, including all who were "in Adam", who "in Christ" (= salvation) will be made alive, i.e. unto immortality as Christ was:

1 Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive
23 But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits;

So all will be "in Christ", hence saved.

Rom.8:18For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not comparable to the coming glory to be revealed to us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creation awaits the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay, into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails together until now. 23And not only so, but we ourselves, even having the firstfruit of the Spirit, also groan ourselves in ourselves, awaiting divine adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope being seen is no hope; for does anyone hope for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we await in patience.

All created beings will be "set free...into the freedom of the glory of the children of God" (8:21) of those who have "the firstfruit of the Spirit" (v.22)!

Rom.11:15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the first fruit of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 1

Rev.14:4 These are they who have not been defiled with women; for they are pure, these following the Lamb wherever He shall go. These have been redeemed out from men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

They are the firstfruits of all men to be redeemed.

Rev.15:4 Who should not fear You, O Lord,

and will glorify Your name?

For You alone are holy.

For all the nations will come and will worship before You,

because Your righteous acts have been revealed.”



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"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."
"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."

May the Lord keep, bless & heal you.

 

[FineLinen]

Well in the Canon--Jesus is the first fruits! Not people being tortured in the lake of fire or face down in a pool via your silly post of it

 

[nolidad]

You poor soul.

You have forgotten what you posted regarding reading the Scriptures as they are written.

That is precisely how they are written!

εἰς οἰκονομίαν τοῦ πληρώματος τῶν καιρῶν, ἀνακεφαλαιώσασθαι τὰ πάντα ἐν τῶ χριστῶ, τὰ ἐπὶ τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς· ἐν αὐτῶ,

Then let us see ifd you are honorable. Translate that verse without help taking onto consideration all the varied forms, moods, tenses etc.

 

[nolidad]

Js.1:18 According to his own will begat he us by the word of truth, that we should be a certain first-fruits of his creatures.

Christ is the first of all those, including all who were "in Adam", who "in Christ" (= salvation) will be made alive, i.e. unto immortality as Christ was:

1 Cor.15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive
23 But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits;

So all will be "in Christ", hence saved.

Rom.8:18For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not comparable to the coming glory to be revealed to us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creation awaits the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay, into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails together until now. 23And not only so, but we ourselves, even having the firstfruit of the Spirit, also groan ourselves in ourselves, awaiting divine adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope being seen is no hope; for does anyone hope for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we await in patience.

All created beings will be "set free...into the freedom of the glory of the children of God" (8:21) of those who have "the firstfruit of the Spirit" (v.22)!

Rom.11:15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the first fruit of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 1

Rev.14:4 These are they who have not been defiled with women; for they are pure, these following the Lamb wherever He shall go. These have been redeemed out from men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

They are the firstfruits of all men to be redeemed.

Rev.15:4 Who should not fear You, O Lord,

and will glorify Your name?

For You alone are holy.

For all the nations will come and will worship before You,

because Your righteous acts have been revealed.”



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75 UR verses + 100 proofs + 150 reasons etc:
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213 Questions Without Answers:
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If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."
"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."

May the Lord keep, bless & heal you.

Being made alive does not = being saved! Everyhuman will live forever in incorruptible bodies.

The only ones who do so in heaven (on earth) are these:

John 1:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You still need to show that those in the lake of fire can turn around and trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sins and thus be saved!

And before you pooh pooh that off again and say something silly, remember this doctrine of repentance in teh lake of fire is a key component of Universalism. You need to show explicit Scripture to defend that hypothesis. In light of teh verses that show they will suffer forever according to nearly all the greek speaking world! (Modern greek uses the same word as Koine greek did, aionios=forever or eternal)

 

[nolidad]

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I rest my case! I don't need 90 minutes of preachers to identify Gods firstfruits!

All the other firstfruits that describe people in teh new testament, if one doesn't retranslate and alter the Word of God all refer to the first saved or the first ones to receive the Holy Spirit. Nothing about people in the lake of fire being able to get saved!

 

[FineLinen]

Then let us see ifd you are honorable. Translate that verse without help taking onto consideration all the varied forms, moods, tenses etc.

You big silly, I most certainly hope you are not inferring F.L. can not do it.

 

[nolidad]

Jesus Christ is indeed the Archegos & Prodromos, and as Prince-Leader is bringing His brethren to being first-fruits of His grace in Himself!

See I knew you could quote teh Bible without altering it! I agree 100%

But you forget:


22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

John 1:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You and your fellow UR'ers have yet to show a verse from Gods Word (not cutesy drawings of a pool or 90 minutes of men preaching) that those in the lake of fire are capable of repenting!

 

[nolidad]

You big silly, I most certainly hope you are not inferring F.L. can not do it.

I have no idea! But if you are hoinorable and not just playing a silly game- then translate the passage forus and declare the nouns in their cas number and gender (that will be enough) and show th everbs in their:
Tense, voice, mood number and person without looking at any guides!

 

[FineLinen]

I have no idea! But if you are hoinorable and not just playing a silly game- then translate the passage forus and declare the nouns in their cas number and gender (that will be enough) and show th everbs in their:
Tense, voice, mood number and person without looking at any guides!

Can I consult wheelies for Jesus Eric L. or got questions for answers? (lol)

Furthermore, big guy, I am a dirty rotten depraved sinner & nothing is "hoinorable" within my depraved being.

 

[nolidad]

Can I consult wheelies for Jesus Eric L. or got questions for answers? (lol)

Furthermore, big guy, I am a dirty rotten depraved sinner & nothing is "hoinorable" within my depraved being.

As with all humans! But you wrote that verse. So translate it without cheating.

 

[FineLinen]

As with all humans! But you wrote that verse. So translate it without cheating.

You poor dear laddy (not lady). I always cheat. I have consulted the wheelie for Jesus guy, but nada. Ditto for got questions, same same same, no answers.

I did not write the text, it was a few years before I came on the scene kicking and screaming. I am still kicking and screaming with no mommy to comfort me, only Abba who more than makes up for all lacks within my great need of Him.

 

[Major1]

Being made alive does not = being saved! Everyhuman will live forever in incorruptible bodies.

The only ones who do so in heaven (on earth) are these:

John 1:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You still need to show that those in the lake of fire can turn around and trust in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sins and thus be saved!

And before you pooh pooh that off again and say something silly, remember this doctrine of repentance in teh lake of fire is a key component of Universalism. You need to show explicit Scripture to defend that hypothesis. In light of teh verses that show they will suffer forever according to nearly all the greek speaking world! (Modern greek uses the same word as Koine greek did, aionios=forever or eternal)

He will not post those Scriptures because THERE ARE NO SCRIPTURES THEY SAY THAT.

In fact, it is like Purgatory, not only does the Bible NOT say that it never even "Suggests" that there is a 2nd chance after death.

Universalism comes from the minds of those who simply can not accept the Word of God as it was given to men as they are....sinners, deprave, doomed and on their way to the Lake of fire...………...But GOD stepped in and paid for our sins and saved ALL WHO WOULD COME TO CHRIST AND ACEPT HIM AS THEIR SAVIOUR".

 

[Major1]

You poor dear laddy (not lady). I always cheat. I have consulted the wheelie for Jesus guy, but nada. Ditto for got questions, same same same, no answers.

I did not write the text, it was a few years before I came on the scene kicking and screaming. I am still kicking and screaming with no mommy to comfort me, only Abba who more than makes up for all lacks within my great need of Him.

Where in the Bible did you find the Scriptures that say lost wicked sinners in the Lake of Fire will accept Christ and be saved.

Not some obscure words like "ALL" or "AGES" but the words which confirm your comments that "Those sinners in the Lake of Fire wil repent and leave the Lake of Fire".

 

[Major1]

Can I consult wheelies for Jesus Eric L. or got questions for answers? (lol)

Furthermore, big guy, I am a dirty rotten depraved sinner & nothing is "hoinorable" within my depraved being.

As are we all. What is your point!

 

[Major1]

I have no idea! But if you are hoinorable and not just playing a silly game- then translate the passage forus and declare the nouns in their cas number and gender (that will be enough) and show th everbs in their:
Tense, voice, mood number and person without looking at any guides!

Go get a big glass of tea because you are going to have to wait a long time.

 

[nolidad]

You poor dear laddy (not lady). I always cheat. I have consulted the wheelie for Jesus guy, but nada. Ditto for got questions, same same same, no answers.

I did not write the text, it was a few years before I came on the scene kicking and screaming. I am still kicking and screaming with no mommy to comfort me, only Abba who more than makes up for all lacks within my great need of Him.

Are you saying you do not even know what the greek says you put on your own post? Sad indeed. Give yourself two fo your old guy shaking his head for that!

 

[nolidad]

He will not post those Scriptures because THERE ARE NO SCRIPTURES THEY SAY THAT.

In fact, it is like Purgatory, not only does the Bible NOT say that it never even "Suggests" that there is a 2nd chance after death.

Universalism comes from the minds of those who simply can not accept the Word of God as it was given to men as they are....sinners, deprave, doomed and on their way to the Lake of fire...………...But GOD stepped in and paid for our sins and saved ALL WHO WOULD COME TO CHRIST AND ACEPT HIM AS THEIR SAVIOUR".

I know that, You know that, God knows that, but I am hoping these folks will stick their nose in the BOOK so they can know that as well!

 

[FineLinen]

Are you saying you do not even know what the greek says you put on your own post? Sad indeed. Give yourself two fo your old guy shaking his head for that!

 

[nolidad]

Does one Judge Judy equal two Dos Equis guys?