The kingdom of heaven

[shilohsfoal]

anti-christ also means "in place of"

No, that's not what John said.

 

[eleos1954]

No, that's not what John said.

use a lexicon and go look at the greek ...

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

Strong's Greek: 500. ἀντίχριστος (antichristos) -- antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)

 

[Zao is life]

You mean some faction of Messianic Judaism...or a faction from the Hebrew Roots Movement, such as I myself lean towards?

I am apolitical myself, so I do not box myself into any particular organization.

*Seems like every movement that rises up usually does so out of need and comes at a time that is optimal for correcting some grievous error within "Churchianity". But, then, inevitably, blood is shed as this once humble movement forgets its reason for being.

No I wasn't thinking of the Hebrew roots movement. Or Christians. Chabad Rabbis in Israel, the Temple Institute, etc - they're waiting for the Messiah to come, and you'll see them discussing in YouTube and elsewhere about how there are two messiahs depicted in scripture: Messiah ben Yusef and Messiah ben David. They don't know how one messiah can be both, so many Rabbis believe there are two Messiahs - a religious one + a kingly one - who fulfill the Messianic prophecies (although there obviously is debate about this among themselves).

So I'm talking about the possibility of a Christ-rejecting nation (kingdom) that believes their Messiah has now arrived (but it's not the real Messianic Kingdom of Christ) - and it consists of two "messiahs" - Messiah ben David and Messiah ben Yusef (hence two horns like a lamb) that rises from the earth (or eretz Yisrael).

I say possibly because I don't know, of course - all I know is that the Revelation talks about the beast that rises from the sea and the beast that rises from the earth - it's the one that rises from the earth that gets the image to the other beast erected and causes all who dwell on the earth and will not worship it or receive its mark, to be killed.

 

[Swan7]

This stopped becoming friendly since post #8. For whatever reason there seems to be a heavy disagreement between the physical vs spiritual kingdom of God. From what I recall Jesus Christ only explained things in the spiritual using the things we can see as an example of the spiritual things which we cannot see. Why is this suddenly so hard to understand...?

 

[5thKingdom]

ALL of which are based upon an erroneous foundation in your understanding of God's Revelation regarding the first resurrection and when it takes place, and the thousand years.

That is so false that I find it hard to believe you are trying to
be honest.

Feel free to try to contradict ANY of my words that have
NOTHING to do with the first resurrection.

(1) Like the four "Kingdoms of Heaven" Jesus NAMED in Scripture

(2) Or the post on the DIFFERENCE between these separate
"Kingdoms of Heaven" and the one (1) "Kingdoms of God"

(3) Or the Last "wheat and tares" [Mat 25] being shown as
the ten "kings/horns" in Daniel 7 and Revelation 17 and as the
ten "kings" of Daniel 2:44

(4) Or the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the destruction
of the Revelation Beast.

(5) Or the revealing of the "Kingdom of Babylon" and Rev 17.

(6) Or the "final harvest" being from the Fourth "Kingdom" instead
of the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"

I could go one-and-on (but you like short posts) so you are
only PRETENDING that you can refute something I said...
but are just too busy. You CANNOT refute ANYTHING
I said because it all PART of the prophecy of the
Last Saints as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"

Come on man... if you COULD refute something from the
Bible then you are COMMANDED by God to do so... do you
not realize the saints are COMMANDED to identify and refute
false doctrines? Is this "news" to you? Or do you NOT OBEY
what is commanded of the Saints? (which is it?)

/

 

[5thKingdom]

anti-christ also means "in place of"

LOL...
The "Little Horn" of Daniel is the MAN called the Anti-Christ.
While there are many "anti-christs" that reject Jesus...

But in the FOURTH KINGDOM (aka, the Great Tribulation and/or
Revelation Beast) there is a LEADER who is Satan's chief emissary
on earth and he RULES during Satan's "little Season".

I have about TWO DOZEN passages talking about this MAN
ruling the last "Kingdom of Heaven" for 3.5 "times" or
3.5 years or 3.5 "days" or 3.5 "watches of the night"

I will gladly POST those verses for you if you PROMISE to
respond to EACH of them... is it a deal?

.

 

[eleos1954]

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns are ten kings who will rise from this kingdom. After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings.
Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.
Daniel 7:26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.
Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey Him.'

Quoting Daniel 7:27 confirms what I've said. The beast is in the land promised to Abraham.
Anyone who knows what the beast is knows this.
The beast will be destroyed then that land is given to the saints. They shall reign with Christ 1000 years in the land promised them. After the 1000 years Gog shall Invade and God shall destroy him and all his bands.

I do not agree with the interpretation, however agree to disagree on that.

however I am curious ... who (or what) do you think the beast is?

 

[5thKingdom]

So, 1/2 of the virgins repent after following the antichrist?

Yes, this is shown in Rev 9:15-21 as the "wise virgins" are
spiritually "killed" after the First Beast but the "foolish virgins" continue
to follow the Beast.

This is shown in may different passages:

Mat 25:10
And while they [foolish virgins] went to buy,
the bridegroom [Jesus] came; and they that were ready
[the wise virgins] went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Obviously the "Door was Shut" after the "Final Harvest"
of the "kings/horns/virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom and
the "marriage" is finished.

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In Revelation 18
the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2]
as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints, immediately before the destruction of Babylon,
is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands the Last Saints
to "Come out of her, My people". And Saints are told
[v.20] to "rejoice" over the destruction of Babylon
for "God hath avenged you on her".

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In Revelation 19
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the
False Prophet and Revelations Beast are "cast alive"
into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest"
immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17]
to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of
the Great God". Then again [v.9] the "Final Harvest"
is shown when the Saints are "called unto the
MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb". And once more
we see [v.2] that, when God destroys the Kingdom
of "Babylon the Great", He also "hath avenged the
blood of His servants".

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In Revelation 11
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a
"great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to
"Come up hither". And they "ascended up to heaven
in a cloud". Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring
immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast.
However, this time, the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIME
for fulfillment of this event - just before the end of
the "Second Woe"... that is important.

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In Daniel 7
the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11]
when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High
shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest"
of the Great Tribulation Saints is shown [v.22] when
"Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High;
and the time came that the Saints possessed the
[eternal] Kingdom".

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Again, the POINT is the Bible gives MANY different
perspectives of the SAME people/events and these
all must be harmonized before anyone can claim to
have found more than partial-truth. In fact, God
never intended Saints in the Jewish Kingdom to
understand the END of their Kingdom and God
never intended Saints in the Christian Kingdom to
understand the Great Tribulation "kings/horns/virgins"
of the Revelation Beast or the "Season and Time"
on earth AFTER the Beast was destroyed and the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither".

--------------------------------------------

/

 

[5thKingdom]

use a lexicon and go look at the greek ...

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

Strong's Greek: 500. ἀντίχριστος (antichristos) -- antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)

While there are MANY "anti-christs" during the church age
(the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven") there is only ONE MAN
who LEADS the last "wheat and tares" during the last kingdom,
the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".

If you cannot discern the CONTEXT of passages you can never
understand the MEANING of passages.

This MAN is called the "Little Horn" in Daniel and he is called
the "False Prophet" in Revelation.

This MAN is the person the last "wheat and tares"...
aka the "wise virgins" and the "foolish virgins" follow
into the Great Tribulation Kingdom.

These ten "kings/horns" are the ones who HELP the
Little Horn "set-up" or "place" Daniel's Abomination and
these same people "agree to give their kingdom to the Beast"

If you cannot or do not HARMONIZE all the passages talking
about THE Anti-Christ of the Fourth Beast then you cannot
hope to find Biblical Truth.

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[5thKingdom]

I do not agree with the interpretation, however agree to disagree on that.

however I am curious ... who (or what) do you think the beast is?

The BEAST is the Fourth Beast of Daniel 7.
It is also shown as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
It is also shown as the "Little Horn" (and followers)
It is also shown as the "ten virgins" of Mat 25
There are MANY passages talking about the Fourth Beast.


Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



/

 

[5thKingdom]

Will you please run down this gospel? Thank you.

The Gospel is everything in the Bible.
Within the context of 1 Pet 4:17 it's those preaching
false gospels or Arminianism or Prosperity Gospels or
any number of other "false gospels".

Remember PART of the Gospel is unsaved "tares" would
infiltrate the church and the "leaven" of their false gospels
would corrupt the church and eventually the entire Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven". This corruption began while the
Apostles were teaching. Read Revelation chapters
2 & 3 to see the EXTENT of this corruption
before the end of the first century.

Within the ULTIMATE context of 1 Pet 4:17 it's the
"foolish virgins" preaching the Gospel of the Anti-Christ
during the Fourth Beast or Revelation Beast or Great Tribulation
or Satan's "Little Season" or the Reign of the "Little Horn"


/

 

[5thKingdom]

Are we here at #2?

No, we are in the period when the Last Saints are revealing
Biblical mysteries that remained "closed-up" and "sealed" to all
previous Saints [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and they are preaching
fulfillment of Great Tribulation prophecies Jesus PROMISED they
"shall see ALL these things" [Mat 24:15 and 24:33]... and they
are preaching mysteries from the "open book" as the Seventh
Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]

The preaching of the Saints as the Trumpet "begins to sound"
is the LAST SIGN on earth before the Lord Appears. The Bible
records no other prophecies (that I can find) AFTER the Trumpet
"begins to sound".


/

 

[Zao is life]

This stopped becoming friendly since post #8. For whatever reason there seems to be a heavy disagreement between the physical vs spiritual kingdom of God. From what I recall Jesus Christ only explained things in the spiritual using the things we can see as an example of the spiritual things which we cannot see. Why is this suddenly so hard to understand...?

Because our Lord has not returned yet and until He does, the saying "Two Christians, three opinions" remains the case. Christ's work of salvation was finished when He died on the cross. Many assume Christ's work is done and finished when He destroys the beast - but this earth is not yet subdued under His feet. There is a lot of rebellion still.

 

[5thKingdom]

I'll be praying for you if I'm not running and hiding from being forced to get some or other mark - but then again - could it be that the beast rising from the earth which has two horns like a lamb is a symbolic reference to a "Messianic kingdom" called Israel who's political and religious Messiah figures (two horns like a lamb) are not the Messiah?

I'm not saying it is - but it should be noted that it's this beast with two horns like a lamb that rises from the earth causes those dwelling on the earth to either receive that mark or be killed - and that image is an image of the first beast that rises from the sea.

Just incredible...
You do not know what the "Beast" represents...
You do not know what the "image" represents...
You do not know what the "mark" represents...

But you offer "opinions" about the FULFILLMENT
of these things.

------


Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



/

 

[5thKingdom]

Because our Lord has not returned yet and until He does, the saying "Two Christians, three opinions" remains the case. Christ's work of salvation was finished when He died on the cross. Many assume Christ's work is done and finished when He destroys the beast - but this earth is not yet subdued under His feet. There is a lot of rebellion still.

Although the BIBLE says differently..
The BIBLE says the (last) "wheat and tares" have "one mind"
and they "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Revelation Beast"


Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power
as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and
shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Rev 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will,
and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

/

 

[5thKingdom]

I'll be praying for you if I'm not running and hiding from being forced to get some or other mark - but then again - could it be that the beast rising from the earth which has two horns like a lamb is a symbolic reference to a "Messianic kingdom" called Israel who's political and religious Messiah figures (two horns like a lamb) are not the Messiah?

I'm not saying it is - but it should be noted that it's this beast with two horns like a lamb that rises from the earth causes those dwelling on the earth to either receive that mark or be killed - and that image is an image of the first beast that rises from the sea.

-----------------

Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



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[5thKingdom]

This is to forthtell something before any who ask, without fear of consequence...to testify to the world that its works are evil? Or what do you believe the message will be?

The Last Saints reveal the Biblical mysteries about Daniel's
prophecies the Bible PROMISED would remain "closed-up"
and "sealed" from all previous saints... but the Last Saints
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]

The Last Saints reveal the historical fulfillment of ALL the
Great Tribulation prophecies ("signs") that Jesus PROMISED
they "shall see ALL of these things" [Mat 24:15 and 24:33]

The Last Saints reveal Biblical mysteries from the "open book"
and they preach all these things as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]

The fact that Jesus NAMED four (of the five) separate and
distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven" is one of these mysteries
as it relates to Daniel's Four Kingdoms.

The fact that the Last Saints preach Daniel's Fourth Beast
is the SAME as the Revelation Beast and the SAME as the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME as
the experiences of the "ten virgins" of Matt 25 and the
ten "kings/horns" of BOTH Daniel 7 and Revelation 17...
these are SOME of the unsealed mysteries.

The Last Saints reveal the truth about the "Kingdom of Babylon"
and how it was really a New Testament commentary on the
Four Beasts of Daniel.

The Last Saints reveal many Biblical mysteries that (a) were
"sealed" to all previous saints and/or (b) are related to the
historical fulfillment of Great Tribulation prophecies which
could NOT be known by saints living in 100AD or 500AD
or 1000AD or 1500AD... since those saints DIED long
before Satan was "loosened" to START the last Beast.

Everything you have been reading in my posts is PART
of the revealing of Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED
the Last Saints "shall understand"... but that NONE of the
other people in the world (neither the unsaved "tares"
in the church or the lost souls OUTSIDE the church)
would be able to understand or accept.

So the question arises: WHY are the Last Saints preaching
Biblical mysteries when the Bible PROMISES none of the
unsaved can understand or accept... and, of course the
answer is we are COMMANDED to "prophesy again" as
the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".

We are simply obeying that command.

Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be
finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.



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[shilohsfoal]

use a lexicon and go look at the greek ...

Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

Strong's Greek: 500. ἀντίχριστος (antichristos) -- antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)

John did not say the antichrist put himself in place of but he doesn't say he doesn't. John says there wereany Antichrists in his day. He also said an antichrist denies Christ. But if we look for someone replacing Christ the obvious choice is Benjamin Netanyahu. Because Christ being king of Israel was rejected as king of the Jews. Benjamin Netanyahu has been chosen by the Jews to be thier leader.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I do not agree with the interpretation, however agree to disagree on that.

however I am curious ... who (or what) do you think the beast is?

Scripture says the beast is a kingdom. A devided kingdom in which there are 11 kings. 10 of which are larger and similar. There is one little one who appears stouter than his fellows. In the midst of this kingdom is a city that sits upon seven hills.

 

[5thKingdom]

John did not say the antichrist put himself in place of but he doesn't say he doesn't. John says there wereany Antichrists in his day. He also said an antichrist denies Christ. .

While there are many "Anti-Christs" (because they reject Christ)
There is only ONE "Anti-Christ" of the Fourth "Kingdom"...
your problem is you do not understand CONTEXT.
THE Anti-Christ lives (only) in the Fourth Beast.

This is shown in Dan 7 as the "Little Horn" that overcomes
the ten "kings/horns" (Last "wheat and tares") as they actually
HELP the Anti-Christ "set-up" and "place" Daniel's "Abomination"
and they pollute the "Sanctuary" (which is NOT a physical building)

This is shown in Revelation 17 as the last "wheat and tares"
AGAIN called the ten "kings/horns" give their POWER to the
Revelation Beast and they "agree to give their KINGDOM to
the Revelation Beast".

This is shown in Matthew 25 as the "ten virgins" agree to
FOLLOW the Anti-Christ as they "went forth" from the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" into the final
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

BOTTOM LINE:
You do not understand the CONTEXT of the Last Beast...
so you cannot offer an "informed opinion" on that Kingdom.
If you do not understand (or refuse to accept) that JESUS
specifically NAMED four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven"
then you have no CONTEXT to talk about the FOURTH
"Kingdom of Heaven" (aka the Revelation Beast and/or
the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mat 25:1)

You are limited to your imagination.
You are destined to CONFLATE events in different Beasts
(as did the Jews of the Second Kingdom and the Christians
of the Third Kingdom and the "virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom.

Instead of being enlightened by the harmony of Scripture
preached by the Last Saints as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound"... you cannot "understand" or
accept the harmony of Scripture... EXACTLY
as the Bible foretold would be the case.


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