The kingdom of heaven

[5thKingdom]

Your 3 posts: TLDR.

God intended His people to know these things, as we will all be there when it all happens. Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

It is your addition to scripture, that says the 'wise virgins', Matthew 25, are the ones commanded to 'come up hither'. Revelation 4:1 Seriously bad you!

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Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
anything said here:

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Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]

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[5thKingdom]

Nonsense, utter nonsense.
The beast is already in the promised land with the tribulation saints. You just can't seem to fiqure it out. It's not about the entire world. This is about God and Israel. If you didn't have the need to include yourself in everything you might see things alittle more clearly. It's not all about you Keras.

I'm sorry to have to break the bad news to you, your not one of those tribulation saints. But if it makes you feel any better, neither am I.

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Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
anything said here?

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Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]

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[shilohsfoal]

First... if the Beast is already in the promised land WITH the
Great Tribulation Saints... then what is his name?

Second... if you can find ONE VERSE of Scripture to
contradict ANYTHING I said... please provide
chapter and verse

Third... here are the Last Saint:

Mat 25:10
And while they [foolish virgins] went to buy,
the bridegroom [Jesus] came; and they that were ready
[the wise virgins] went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Obviously the "Door was Shut" after the "Final Harvest"
of the "kings/horns/virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom and
the "marriage" is finished.

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In Revelation 18
the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2]
as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints, immediately before the destruction of Babylon,
is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands the Last Saints
to "Come out of her, My people". And Saints are told
[v.20] to "rejoice" over the destruction of Babylon
for "God hath avenged you on her".

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In Revelation 19
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the
False Prophet and Revelations Beast are "cast alive"
into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest"
immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17]
to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of
the Great God". Then again [v.9] the "Final Harvest"
is shown when the Saints are "called unto the
MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb". And once more
we see [v.2] that, when God destroys the Kingdom
of "Babylon the Great", He also "hath avenged the
blood of His servants".

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In Revelation 11
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a
"great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to
"Come up hither". And they "ascended up to heaven
in a cloud". Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring
immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast.
However, this time, the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIME
for fulfillment of this event - just before the end of
the "Second Woe"... that is important.

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In Daniel 7
the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11]
when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High
shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest"
of the Great Tribulation Saints is shown [v.22] when
"Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High;
and the time came that the Saints possessed the
[eternal] Kingdom".

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Again, the POINT is the Bible gives MANY different
perspectives of the SAME people/events and these
all must be harmonized before anyone can claim to
have found more than partial-truth. In fact, God
never intended Saints in the Jewish Kingdom to
understand the END of their Kingdom and God
never intended Saints in the Christian Kingdom to
understand the Great Tribulation "kings/horns/virgins"
of the Revelation Beast or the "Season and Time"
on earth AFTER the Beast was destroyed and the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither".

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I don't think I will teach you anymore. Go somewhere else and play your games.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradict
ANYTHING said here? Send Chapter and verse please:

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The CONTEXT of 1 Peter 4:17
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For the time is come that Judgment must BEGIN
at the House of God [both the "wheat and Tares"]:
and if it [God's Judgment] FIRST begin with us
[begins with the saved "wheat"], what shall the end
be of them that obey not the Gospel of God
[the unsaved "tares"] 18 And if the righteous
[the saved "wheat"] scarcely be saved, where
shall the ungodly and the sinner [unsaved "tares"]
appear?

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The purpose of Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven"
was to (first) bring Judgment on the "Wise Virgins",
or all the living Saints. This is shown in 1 Pe
4 as being both the "us" [in verse 17] and then as
"the righteous" [in verse 18]. Then, after Judgment
on the Saints is finished, God separates the
"wheat and tares" and brings Judgment on the
"Anti-Christ" and "Foolish Virgins" (the Beast)...
which are represented by "them that obey not
the Gospel of God" [in verse 17] and then by
"the ungodly and and the sinner" [in verse 18].

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Son, it's not polite to interrupt a conversation between two adults.

 

[shilohsfoal]

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Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
anything said here?

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Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]

/

I'm just going to have to place you in time out. Don't expect to hear from me till your punishment is done.

 

[Tone]

the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither"

And how do they do this?

just before the end of
the "Second Woe"... that is important

Is this where we are now?

"them that obey not
the Gospel of God" [in verse 17] and then by
"the ungodly and and the sinner"

Expound on this please. Thank you.

 

[5thKingdom]

I don't think I will teach you anymore. Go somewhere else and play your games.

LOL... that is hilarious.
You cannot REFUTE a single word I say from Scripture.
So you run away.

The "fruit" of the saints has NEVER been to run away.
The (real) saints have ALWAYS been able to confirm or
refute a doctrine from Scripture.

Just saying...

BTW, how intimidating is it to talk to one of the Last Saints?
Well, I guess we already know because you have to run away.
LOL

You are left "speechless". That is just so funny.

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[5thKingdom]

Son, it's not polite to interrupt a conversation between two adults.

LOL... that is what children say when they are "speechless".

If you COULD refute something I said from Scripture
you would do so in a New York minute...

But you can't... so you RUN AWAY.

Your "fruits" expose you child.

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[5thKingdom]

I'm just going to have to place you in time out. Don't expect to hear from me till your punishment is done.

LOL... that is what you say when you cannot REFUTE
a doctrine from Scripture.

Does it REALLY make you feel better to pretend that
you COULD refute my doctrines... but you just don't
have time?

Your "fruit" is clear. The "fruit" of Saints is to confirm
or refute a new doctrine from SCRIPTURE.
Did you NOT know that?

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[Dave L]

God made a promise to Abraham to give to him and his seed a certain property in the middle east. There are boundaries to this property. Thus far Abraham nor his seed have received this property. Now there are some who say Abraham no longer wanted the land promised to him. There are others who say Abraham lives in the clouds and therefore wouldn't want to live on the earth. But there's one problem with this thinking. It's not Abraham's decision to make. It's God's word and it's God's promise. If God says he will give Abraham and his seed the land between the Euphrates river and the red sea for an everlasting possession. Then you better believe Abraham and his seed will be in that land forever. God's not going to go back on his word for a few confused people on this board.

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Abraham and others saw it as a symbol of the Heavenly world to come.
“For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:10 (KJV 1900)

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.” Hebrews 11:13–16 (KJV 1900)

How can "forever" be forever if the world passes away in a great explosion according to Peter?

 

[5thKingdom]

Expound on this please. Thank you.

And how do they do this?


Most people call it the "rapture" but it is really the "final harvest".
Just as the "rapture" did not include the body... since flesh
and blood cannot enter into the "Kingdom of God"...
neither does the "final harvest" include the body.

The Last Saints are "changed in the twinkling of an eye"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies.. but that does not
happen until the Lord Returns during the Seventh Trumpet.


Is this where we are now?

No, the Second Woe is PAST.
Then there is the "Season and Time" on earth [Dan 7:11-12]
BETWEEN the end of the Second Woe... and the start of
the (eternal) Third Woe [Rev 11:14]

This is also shown as the time AFTER Rev 19:20
and the time BEFORE Rev 20:10

I believe this was already covered in the posts

We are now in the time when the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound" and the Last Saints are commanded
to "prophesy again" [Rev 10:7-11]


Expound on this please. Thank you.


I will be glad to... but you will have to supply the
chapter and verse where it is used so we can see
the CONTEXT.

That is ALWAYS the way. For example the word "church"
can represent (1) the saved "wheat" calling themselves
"Christian" or (2) the unsaved "tares" calling themselves
"Christian" or (3) BOTH the "wheat and tares" in the church.

We have to see how GOD DEFINES the word by it's CONTEXT.

Do you have a chapter and verse in mind?


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[shilohsfoal]

Abraham and others saw it as a symbol of the Heavenly world to come.
“For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:10 (KJV 1900)

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.” Hebrews 11:13–16 (KJV 1900)

How can "forever" be forever if the world passes away in a great explosion according to Peter?

Try to grasp this.
This is the word of God. It's not my word or your word. This is God's word and it is fact.

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Now according to what your saying, Abraham doesn't want the land promised to him by God. And perhaps you believe God wasn't bei g completely honest here. But if you know God as I know God then you would know Abraham and his seed shall receive every square inch of the estate God promised him. And I don't believe Abraham is going to turn down such a generous gift from God.

Now, as we are taught, Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.
Why do you have such a hard time believing God?

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

As for your question concerning the world passing away. Like the days of Noah so shall the coming of Christ.
Noah was still on the earth after the flood.
Everything else may have been removed.But not Noah.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Abraham and others saw it as a symbol of the Heavenly world to come.
“For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:10 (KJV 1900)

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.” Hebrews 11:13–16 (KJV 1900)

How can "forever" be forever if the world passes away in a great explosion according to Peter?

You know, if you read revelation, it shows a city made by God coming down from heaven from God.
Do you think Abraham would not be pleased if it came right down to him?

Revelation 3:12 KJV: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Let's take note that the city comes down out of heaved from my God. Scripture does not say anyone ascends up to the city.

Revelation 21:2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[keras]

Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
anything said here?

We can find plenty to refute your fanciful notions.
Your posts are: Too Long, Didn't Read.

It is pointless discussing these things with anyone who has fixed beliefs about what they want God to do for them.

 

[Bruce Leiter]

God made a promise to Abraham to give to him and his seed a certain property in the middle east. There are boundaries to this property. Thus far Abraham nor his seed have received this property. Now there are some who say Abraham no longer wanted the land promised to him. There are others who say Abraham lives in the clouds and therefore wouldn't want to live on the earth. But there's one problem with this thinking. It's not Abraham's decision to make. It's God's word and it's God's promise. If God says he will give Abraham and his seed the land between the Euphrates river and the red sea for an everlasting possession. Then you better believe Abraham and his seed will be in that land forever. God's not going to go back on his word for a few confused people on this board.

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

I don't think that I'm confused about this interpretation. Yes, God not only promised that land to Abraham, but he also did to Isaac and Jacob as well. But the question is, who is (are) the "seed" of Abraham?

We must interpret the Bible as a whole, not just a few individual verses. God made a covenant with Abraham that God would bless him and make him a blessing to the nations, not just to his physical descendants (Genesis 12:1-3). God also reveals through the Apostle Paul that all believers are "children of Abraham in the spiritual sense since we have the same kind of faith (Romans 4; Galatians 3:23-29).

Also, Psalm 37:11 says that the "meek will inherit the land," not all the people of Israel; but Jesus extended the same quote in the beatitudes, "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth" (Matthew 5:5). So the covenant promises extend to all true believers under the new-and-improved covenant.

 

[5thKingdom]

Noah was still on the earth after the flood.
Everything else may have been removed. But not Noah.

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You are just so funny.
I love reading your posts.
Fortunately for you "ignorance is bliss"


You said:
Try to grasp this.
This is the word of God. It's not my word or your word.
This is God's word and it is fact.


This passage below is ALSO the Word of God...
you do KNOW that right? So you think you can just
accept the passages you LIKE and reject or intentionally
ignore the passages that contradict your theories...
That is just hilarious.


2Pe 3:10-13
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also
and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then
that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons
ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for
and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the
heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein
dwelleth righteousness.


You saidd:
As for your question concerning the world passing away.
Like the days of Noah so shall the coming of Christ.


First... you only quoted PART of the passage... it is talking about
the fact that the people DO NOT KNOW about the TIME of the
coming Judgment (remember 2Pet... a "thief in the night"). The
passage says NOTHING about the earth remaining after it's been
"dissolved"... and the Jews getting a portion of the land... that is
just what you WANT the Scripture to say - not what it says.


You treat the Word of God with such reckless disregard.
It's no wonder you are so confused. Let the Bible say
what it says... not what you WANT it to say:


Mat 24:37-39
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of
the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the
flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And
[they] knew not until the flood came, and took them all away;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Abraham and his seed shall receive every square inch
of the estate God promised him.


So you think Abraham and his seed will inherit a sin-cursed
"estate" after the resurrection? Because God promised him
a sin-cursed area. You might want to THINK about your
"theory" and try to get it to NOT contradict Scripture...
before you pretend to have found Biblical Truth.


Or you could just FORGET about finding harmony of Scripture
and pick the verses you LIKE and reject or intentionally ignore
all the verses you don't like... but then you are NOT following
the GOSPEL of the Bible, you are designing your own "gospel".


This is Christian theology 101... why is it "news" to you?


Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be TAKEN
from you, [the Jews] and GIVEN to a nation bringing forth the
fruits thereof [the Christian Kingdom].



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[5thKingdom]

We can find plenty to refute your fanciful notions.

It is pointless discussing these things with anyone
who has fixed beliefs...

Oh... I see, the "fruit" of a real saint is NOT to search the Bible
to confirm or refute a teaching.

Real saints just say "I COULD refute your doctrine with Scripture...
but I am just to self-involved to actually search the Bible for
some contradiction". (no, that is not what saints say)

That is called "DENIAL"...
That does not "refute" anything.
You understand that fact (I hope).

That is hilarious... so that is your position?
That you COULD refute my doctrines - but you will not.

That does not even pass the "giggle test".
That is called "self-delusion". Nothing more.
Fortunately for you "ignorance is bliss".

You have NEVER seen such harmony of Scripture before...
You are overwhelmed by the harmony shown in the "revealing"
of the Biblical mysteries God PROMISED would be "revealed"...
but you cannot be bothered trying to refute anything. LOL

Instead, you will pretend your "feelings" are a substitute for
presenting SCRIPTURE. That your DENIAL is he same as
REFUTING from the Bible. How ridiculous can you be?

BTW: Are you saying that YOU do not have "fixed beliefs"?
Or are you saying that ONLY YOU can have "fixed beliefs"?
Such hypocrisy... I am embarrassed for you.

Tell me please... WHAT are the Last Saint preaching
when the Seventh Trumpet "begins" to sound"? [Rev 10:7-11]
Do you even have a clue? But I TOLD you in the posts...
but you want to remain "willfully ignorant"?


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[Tone]

Do you have a chapter and verse in mind?

1 Peter 4:17. Thank you.

the Last Saints are commanded
to "prophesy again"

This is to forthtell something before any who ask, without fear of consequence...to testify to the world that its works are evil? Or what do you believe the message will be?

 

[Tone]

These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".

Will you expound on this mystery being unraveled by the Last Saints, in the eyes of the watching world? Thank you.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Then you better believe Abraham and his seed will be in that land forever.

Yes the land which is our inheritance. Everlasting life with our God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth through the power of His Holy Spirit, once taken away by sin, but now restored through His grace. Be blessed.