The Killing of Patrick Lyoya - what do you think of it?

[SkyWriting]

May I just repeat:
I pray to God that I will NEVER EVER meet an US-American policeman!
NEVER EVER! I have met British and Irish and French and Italian and even Vietnamese policemen in my time! And they were human and friendly and acted that way. Not like those cruel US-American police

"men" who seem to be more like robots programmed to kill!

Police pick up on that attitude and reflect it right back at you during an encounter.
And you've read about the sad results.

 

[SkyWriting]

Now you are aware of it.
Does you good.

I've written entries myself. That's how I know how much value it has.

 

[Valletta]

No, it wasn't justified though Lyoya could have been alive if he would have obeyed the officer. There was no reason for the cop to remove his weapon and place it behind Lyoya's head.

On the other hand, though tragic, Babbitt's killing was justified. She was involved in an illegal siege of the Capitol Building.

If Lyoya was not grabbing on to his taser and he had Lyoya subdued, bad shooting. If Lyoya had his hand on his taser and wouldn't let go, justified shooting.

 

[Aldebaran]

May I just repeat:

I pray to God that I will NEVER EVER meet an US-American policeman!
NEVER EVER!

I have met British and Irish and French and Italian and even Vietnamese policemen in my time!
And they were human and friendly and acted that way.
Not like those cruel US-American police "men" who seem to be more like robots programmed to kill!

You're saying that you've never met a US policeman, and pray you never do, and yet you presume them to be "cruel US-American police "men" who seem to be more like robots programmed to kill."
How can you judge so harshly people you've never even met?

 

[Yarddog]

If Lyoya was not grabbing on to his taser and he had Lyoya subdued, bad shooting. If Lyoya had his hand on his taser and wouldn't let go, justified shooting.

Lyoya had his hand on the taser but the officer has him, face down on the ground and sirens from back up can be heard as cops were close by. Why the officer pulls his weapon and places it behind Lyoya's head and fires is unknown. It's almost more an execution than a lawful act.

 

[Valletta]

Lyoya had his hand on the taser but the officer has him, face down on the ground and sirens from back up can be heard as cops were close by. Why the officer pulls his weapon and places it behind Lyoya's head and fires is unknown. It's almost more an execution than a lawful act.

If Lyola fires the taser the officer will likely wind up dead. In such a situation it is procedure to use deadly force. This is nothing new, it has been typical procedure for a long time, in the last century as well. Contrast this with the case of the murder of Ashley Babbitt, an officer gunned her down from a distance, she was unarmed. Here Lyola is struggling in close quarter and is fighting with the officer for control of the officer's weapon. It's tragic that his companion in the car didn't make an effort to tell Lyola to quit fighting and release the hold on the officer's weapon.

 

[Red Gold]

You're saying that you've never met a US policeman, and pray you never do, and yet you presume them to be "cruel US-American police "men" who seem to be more like robots programmed to kill."
How can you judge so harshly people you've never even met?

Easy.
I do not have to meet any US-American policeman - thank God.
There are enough reports to show how US-American policemen behave.
More than enough!

 

[Valletta]

Lyoya had his hand on the taser but the officer has him, face down on the ground and sirens from back up can be heard as cops were close by. Why the officer pulls his weapon and places it behind Lyoya's head and fires is unknown. It's almost more an execution than a lawful act.

If Lyola fires the taser the officer will likely wind up dead. In such a situation it is procedure to use deadly force. This is nothing new, it has been typical procedure for a long time, in the last century as well.

 

[Red Gold]

Lyoya had his hand on the taser but the officer has him, face down on the ground and sirens from back up can be heard as cops were close by. Why the officer pulls his weapon and places it behind Lyoya's head and fires is unknown. It's almost more an execution than a lawful act.

You hit the nail on the head.
It was more of an execution than a lawful act.
And the authorities also see it that way.
That's why they are hiding this murdering policeman somewhere.

 

[Valletta]

Easy.
I do not have to meet any US-American policeman - thank God.
There are enough reports to show how US-American policemen behave.
More than enough!

The media tries to stoke racism and highlights and portrays any police officer confrontation, especially a white officer and a black suspect, in the worst possible light they can. That's what they do. And the major media is silent on all of the black nationalism crime.

 

[Yarddog]

If Lyola fires the taser the officer will likely wind up dead. In such a situation it is procedure to use deadly force. This is nothing new, it has been typical procedure for a long time, in the last century as well. Contrast this with the case of the murder of Ashley Babbitt, an officer gunned her down from a distance, she was unarmed. Here Lyola is struggling in close quarter and is fighting with the officer for control of the officer's weapon. It's tragic that his companion in the car didn't make an effort to tell Lyola to quit fighting and release the hold on the officer's weapon.

The only one firing the taser was the officer who was on top of Lyoya. The TASER can only be fired twice and the officer had already done that. If he had felt that there was a possibility of being injured by Lyoya, the officer could have easily cleared some distance and drawn his weapon, since he was in the dominate position of the fray. There was no reason to draw and place the gun behind Lyoya's head and fire. Note: Lyoya is face down on the lawn and not in a position to fire any weapon cleanly.

 

[Aldebaran]

Easy.
I do not have to meet any US-American policeman - thank God.
There are enough reports to show how US-American policemen behave.
More than enough!

Well, you might be interested in hearing the "reports" Americans have heard about German police and military, and what they did once upon a time. Should we feel the same way about German authorities as a result?

 

[Aldebaran]

The media tries to stoke racism and highlights and portrays any police officer confrontation, especially a white officer and a black suspect, in the worst possible light they can. That's what they do. And the major media is silent on all of the black nationalism crime.

It certainly contrasts with all the "mass shootings" they've been talking about over this past weekend. They conveniently leave out the fact that they were all done by black people, and just refer to it as "gun violence". But the incident with the black guy versus a white police officer is highlighted because it was a white guy shooting a black guy.

Even when the Brooklyn subway shooter was being sought, they didn't even tell the public he was black. They left that out of the suspect's description.

 

[Red Gold]

Well, you might be interested in hearing the "reports" Americans have heard about German police and military, and what they did once upon a time. Should we feel the same way about German authorities as a result?

Are you talking about things that happened in 1945 and before?

 

[Red Gold]

The only one firing the taser was the officer who was on top of Lyoya. The TASER can only be fired twice and the officer had already done that. If he had felt that there was a possibility of being injured by Lyoya, the officer could have easily cleared some distance and drawn his weapon, since he was in the dominate position of the fray. There was no reason to draw and place the gun behind Lyoya's head and fire. Note: Lyoya is face down on the lawn and not in a position to fire any weapon cleanly.

So it is!

 

[iarwain]

To say you are ok or not ok with someone being killed seems a rather callus way of putting it. I won't say I'm ok with it, but the shooting was justified. Because I am not going to put a policeman in the situation where he has to allow someone to take his taser and incapacitate him - giving him access to the policeman's gun.

As for the color of whoever's skin, that could not be less relevant (except to the media and the race baiters). Because if you are deciding whether or not a shooting is justified, skin color should not come into the equation.

 

[Red Gold]

To say you are ok or not ok with someone being killed seems a rather callus way of putting it.

I am NOT callous.
You may create another poll that is more to your liking.

 

[Red Gold]

Am I "callous" now when I say that I find that killing not ok?

 

[iarwain]

I am NOT callous.
You may create another poll that is more to your liking.

I'm not criticizing your poll, I just don't think I would feel comfortable as a Christian saying I am "okay" with any killing, justified or not.

 

[DragonFox91]

I live in GR but was out on vacation last week & just found out about this. I don't really know much about it yet.

I do know BLM has been at odds w/ the GR police department especially for a couple years now.