The Killing of Patrick Lyoya - what do you think of it?

[Red Gold]

Now two say in the poll:

"I do not think it ok!"

 

[Valletta]

Whatver it is, when I say "Black Lives Matter" I mean just that: that black lives do matter.

As to your comment in regard to Trump supporters, I would guess that a higher percentage of Trump supporters value black lives and all lives more than Biden supporters.

 

[Red Gold]

Results in this forum so far:

2 x not ok
0 x ok

 

[Red Gold]

Maybe some time it will be three who say: not ok ....

 

[Sparagmos]

It was certainly justified. When you are struggling with a individual and your life is in danger, and it was when Lyoya grabbed the taser, you are completely justified in shooting. Contrast that with the shooting of Ashley Babbitt at the Capitol, where the officer's life was not in danger and he shot and killed an unarmed woman from a distance. That was not justified. It is unfortunate that Lyoya went for the officer's weapon.

How was his life in danger? He could have just let him get away. Lyons had no weapon.

 

[Ringo84]

Cops always think their lives are in danger because they're indoctrinated with the belief that everyone is always out to get them. That's not a joke or exaggeration. Yet CNBC's list here does not even list 'police officer' as one of the most dangerous jobs:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-according-to-bls-data.html

Now, to be slightly fair (not that the police necessarily deserve it), some lists do include police officer, but they seem to consistently rank lower in the list than loggers, construction workers and the like.

When a cop kills a person in cold blood - doesn't matter who it is - they need to be held accountable for their actions.
Ringo

 

[Joined2krist]

This is a very sad incident and one that could have been prevented if the Officer had enough training and experience, it is hard to believe he is a 'veteran'.

 

[Valletta]

How was his life in danger? He could have just let him get away. Lyons had no weapon.

Lyons went for the police officer's weapon, they struggled for about a minute and a half. Lyons refused to release the weapon.

 

[Valletta]

Cops always think their lives are in danger because they're indoctrinated with the belief that everyone is always out to get them. That's not a joke or exaggeration. Yet CNBC's list here does not even list 'police officer' as one of the most dangerous jobs:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-according-to-bls-data.html

Now, to be slightly fair (not that the police necessarily deserve it), some lists do include police officer, but they seem to consistently rank lower in the list than loggers, construction workers and the like.

When a cop kills a person in cold blood - doesn't matter who it is - they need to be held accountable for their actions.
Ringo

Yes, not given a medal from Nancy Pelosi. The Ashley Babbitt murder is haunting.

 

[Valletta]

This is a very sad incident and one that could have been prevented if the Officer had enough training and experience, it is hard to believe he is a 'veteran'.

I didn't see anything the officer did wrong, but I could have missed something. It was a very dangerous situation for the officer, one individual refuses to comply and the officer has to worry about potential people in the vehicle.

 

[Red Gold]

How was his life in danger? He could have just let him get away. Lyons had no weapon.

So it is - so it was!

Now there is no Patrick Lyoya any more.

 

[Red Gold]

I didn't see anything the officer did wrong, but I could have missed something. It was a very dangerous situation for the officer, one individual refuses to comply and the officer has to worry about potential people in the vehicle.

I do not understand you at all!
I can see lots of things that this incompetent and cruel "officer" did wrong.

 

[Red Gold]

This is a very sad incident and one that could have been prevented if the Officer had enough training and experience

I agree!

 

[Valletta]

I do not understand you at all!
I can see lots of things that this incompetent and cruel "officer" did wrong.

What specifically did he do wrong?

 

[Valletta]

So it is - so it was!

Now there is no Patrick Lyoya any more.

I have posted before that if pulled over by a police officer don't make any sudden moves and obey the officer's commands. Don't run and don't go for an officer's weapon. Lyoya did everything wrong, I think the media should emphasize that information instead of pushing the systemic racism and police brutality line--it could have saved Lyoya and many others.

 

[SkyWriting]

The Killing of Patrick Lyoya - what do you think of it?
Killing of Patrick Lyoya - Wikipedia

"If a person sits down and shuts their mouth,
the odds of being shot in the head drop
in direct proportion to the effort made." ​

 

[Valletta]

"If a person sits down and shuts their mouth,
the odds of being shot in the head drop
in direct proportion to the effort made." ​

That's Wikipedia for you, a strong left bent. What makes it a bad shooting or a valid shooting is what happens at the time of the shooting. If someone has their hand on your weapon and they won't let go, in this case they also were yelled at to release their grip, then a shooting is justified. If you have someone subdued or you are not been attacked or they are not attacking someone else then it is a bad shooting. So if this cop had the suspect completely subdued it is a bad shooting, struggling for the weapon it is a valid shooting. Tragically, Lyoya did not obey orders, resisted arrest, ran, fought the officer and struggled for the officer's weapon. Whoever else was in the car should have yelled at Lyoya to let go of the weapon and comply. The procedures for the police have been in place for decades. This officer was alone, he could have been shot by the other person in the car yet he tried to use his taser and was able to fire it twice. In such a situation you must secure the area to protect yourself and other citizens. If you are disarmed you likely will end up dead. Bradley police officer pleaded for her life before man shot her to death with her own gun: prosecutors

 

[Red Gold]

"If a person sits down and shuts their mouth,
the odds of being shot in the head drop
in direct proportion to the effort made." ​

Do you want to add insult to injury - i.e. death?

I am shocked.

 

[Red Gold]

I am really shocked.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you want to add insult to injury - i.e. death?
I am really shocked.

The dead are not insulted. And they are my top concern.
But in my city we have cases every year or so where people who took my advice would still be alive. So I repeat my advice for all people who encounter the police, as often as the topic comes up, advice I have used myself:

When you encounter the police, just sit down and shut up.
​

Defence lawyers agree.