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Ah infidels.org What a paragon of Biblical scholarship. Not.Then your faith must be shattered:
Bible Inconsistencies - Bible Contradictions
It happens if the foundation of your faith is an inerrant book vs. the living person of Jesus Christ.
There is indeed much truth in all of those personal accounts, but the truth is not based on the infallibility of words on a page, but on an infallible God and his living voice that speaks a message of truth through them.
God didn't write the letter to the Philippians, as one example. Paul did. God didn't write the gospel according to Luke. Luke did. Did God inspire these writers so that his voice may speak his Gospel message through these words? Yes. Are Paul, Luke, etc. infallible? No. Are all the words they wrote on the page infallible? No. Is God himself infallible? Yes. Are we able to receive God's trustworthy and truthful message of salvation through these writings despite any inconsistencies or errors on the part of the writers? Yes.
If God wrote the bible, he wouldn't have needed humans. He would just speak the bible into existence and then float it down from the heavens to earth with everything he wanted written in it already written to his exact specifications. But that's not what happened.
Jesus never tells women they must be silent and he told Mary Magdalene to go tell of his resurrection to the disciples. Therefore, he instructed a woman to preach, for all practical purposes.
Where can I find that?Of course, Scripture is infallible when it is interpreted through the authority of Christ's Church.
I could not return to real faith as an adult until I realized God could be a living reality that made a difference in peoples lives and not just an historical claim in a book. Evangelicalism as a teenager primed me to think of the Bible as an artifact full of absurd truth claims about the world, and my liberal Methodist background did nothing really to dissuade that notion other than to affirm that Christianity was merely moralism with empty rituals and ugly, drab aesthetics. So I sought spirituality in eastern religions.
"I now propose short, clear, and strong arguments prove the divine inspiration of the holy Scriptures.How does this question have anything to do with infallibility? Or are you one of those people who think in such a dualistic way that if it isn't infallible, then it must be a total and complete lie?
Here is a pretty good post on Wesley's view of scripture:
http://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/blog/archives/john-wesleys-view-scripture
Taking just one thing Wesley says somewhere out of context is not really a good way of learning how John Wesley tended to think about things. When Wesley uses the term "infallible" or "inerrant" he's not using it in the same way modern Evangelicals are using it today, which is a fairly recent invention.
It's about the trustworthiness and truthfulness of the *message*, and the voice or Word of God speaks that message of Gospel truth even through words written by fallible human beings who sometimes contradict one another or voice their own opinions and thoughts.
If God's word is not found in the words of Scripture but through some words of Scripture, then how may we really know what's God's word and what's not?
I fear it boils down to what you prefer, what inspires you, or what tickles your fancy. These things in Scripture are God's word. But the stuff that's distasteful to you? Pffff. Clearly not God's word!
But do you see what we've done there? You no longer have a God who stands over and above you who is able to offend you or contradict you. You are worshipping an idealized version of yourself. This is the real instance of idolatry here. It is not idolatry to accept the words of Scripture as God's words.
Oh yes, I know. I remember someone on a radio program coming up with this whole ridiculous notion that the devil planted all of the dinosaur fossils into the ground in order to deceive us away from believing that every word of the bible was literally true and had no errors or inconsistencies anywhere in it. It was so silly that I don't know how any reasonable person would be attracted to Christianity by trying to force themselves to believe such things.
I’m curious what “other disciplines” means.It's part of the sanctification process of working out our salvation. We spend time studying scripture, but also in prayer, meditation, corporate worship, and other disciplines that allow us to listen for and hear God's voice speaking to us. Remember, he is a LIVING God and is still active in our lives today.
You are now dealing in hyperbole. This will go nowhere.God didn't write the letter to the Philippians, as one example. Paul did. God didn't write the gospel according to Luke. Luke did. Did God inspire these writers so that his voice may speak his Gospel message through these words? Yes. Are Paul, Luke, etc. infallible? No. Are all the words they wrote on the page infallible? No. Is God himself infallible? Yes. Are we able to receive God's trustworthy and truthful message of salvation through these writings despite any inconsistencies or errors on the part of the writers? Yes.
If God wrote the bible, he wouldn't have needed humans. He would just speak the bible into existence and then float it down from the heavens to earth with everything he wanted written in it already written to his exact specifications. But that's not what happened.
Umm who is Jesus contradicting? He can't contradict God since he is God. And what Law did he change? He himself said he had not come to abolish the law and that anyone who changes the Law will be the least in the Kingdom, Mathew 5.consider Jesus' words over anything that contradicts Him though.
More from Wesley:
"In matters of religion I regard no writings but the inspired. Tauler, Behmen, and a whole army of Mystic authors, are with me nothing to St. Paul. In every point I appeal "to the law and the testimony," and value no authority but this.
"At a time when I was in great danger of not valuing this authority enough, you made that important observation: "I see where your mistake lies. You would have a philosophical religion; but there can be no such thing. Religion is the most plain, simple thing in the world. It is only, 'We love him, because he first loved us.' So far as you add philosophy to religion, just so far you spoil it." This remark I have never forgotten since; and I trust in God I never shall."
--From An Extract of a Letter to the Reverend Mr. Law Occasioned by Some of his Late Writings .
Ah infidels.org What a paragon of Biblical scholarship. Not.
But the mask comes off.
So he was being deceptive to his own movement to save his own skin?You do realize Wesley lived at a time when he could be defrocked and or jailed for writing anything to the contrary?
Or he really believed such. And this is the correct answer as he did not sputter our rote Theology but can see the Love of Christ in his statements.It seems to me we must consider his statements in light of that.
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