The Inspiration of Scripture

[Tree of Life]

If this is true then 1 Corinthians 7:12 is in direct contradiction to it. Don't get me wrong, I believe God can speak through the Bible, but there's plenty of instances where man is speaking and in the above case even explicitly states "I, not the Lord".

(1) Paul means there that he is not quoting from the OT, but giving his apostolic judgment.

(2) If some parts of the Bible are God's word and others are not, how do you discern the difference?

 

[A Realist]

Is it possible that there are errors in even the original text. I’m not even asking is likely. I’m asking is it possible?

Using the true historical definition of the word "inspired", yes...I would say this is possible.

 

[Tree of Life]

Using the true historical definition of the word "inspired", yes...I would say this is possible.

Where are you getting this historical definition of inspiration from?

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

No.

How can you be so certain of something that you weren’t there to witness. Isn’t it wise to always leave open the possibility you could be wrong even if you put your stake in the ground and stand on what you believe?

 

[Tree of Life]

How can you be so certain of something that you weren’t there to witness. Isn’t it wise to always leave open the possibility you could be wrong even if you put your stake in the ground and stand on what you believe?

Because GOD.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God’s Word is preserved perfectly today and there are no errors in His Word. If there were errors in His Word today, that means the whole of His Word cannot be trusted. There can be only one Word. God’s Word is a reflection of His perfect and good character. One either has faith in it or they have partial faith in parts they like or they reject it entirely.

 

[Chriliman]

(1) Paul means there that he is not quoting from the OT, but giving his apostolic judgment.

That's not what he said though. Can you elaborate?

(2) If some parts of the Bible are God's word and others are not, how do you discern the difference?

I mainly just look for who's speaking.

 

[redleghunter]

I’ve seen a lot of us say different things all claiming to be led by the spirit. I can’t imagine that there is supposed to be this level of confusion.

Which brings us to the very words of God and His apostles in Holy Scriptures as the arbiter between two positions.

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Because GOD.

Isn’t it just a little arrogant for us as followers of Christ to think we know it all and the spirit is leading us better than the Christian who disagrees?

 

[Tree of Life]

That's not what he said though. Can you elaborate?

It is what he says. When he says in 1 Corinthians 5-7 "The Lord says", he is referring to explicit Old Testament teachings. But when he says: "I, not the Lord" he is saying that the OT doesn't say anything about it, but he is giving his apostolic judgment.

I mainly just look for who's speaking.

So the only parts of the Bible that are authoritative are the red words of Jesus and quotes from Yahweh in the OT?

 

[Tree of Life]

Isn’t it just a little arrogant for us as followers of Christ to think we know it all and the spirit is leading us better than the Christian who disagrees?

If the Spirit is leading us to agree with God's word, then the Spirit is leading us. If we are being led to deny God's word, then we are being led by the devil.

 

[Calvin_1985]

Actually, in my experience it is not common knowledge, or if people think it is, often times the Christ they believe in is seemingly unrecognizable. So I am doubtful that we are safe in assuming that Christ is just implicit in the Bible to all.

Is Christ not I AM?

 

[redleghunter]

If I am remembering correctly, the oldest manuscript was dated at 125AD, and contains portions of John 18. Are you suggesting John lived until 125AD and wrote these himself?

John lived to roughly the turn of the century or 5 years before. It is very possible that fragment was written in his time and survived until 125AD.

But your insistence on having the original autographs is not realistic. Humans and writing materials decay over time. That is why they copied and copied and why we have tens of thousands of manuscripts confirming the original author's intent and words.

We even have early church fathers before there were any Bibles compiled quoting the texts we have today.

Take a look at this:

Early Christian NT References

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

If the Spirit is leading us to agree with God's word, then the Spirit is leading us. If we are being led to deny God's word, then we are being led by the devil.

But you said earlier than we need prayer and guidance from the Lord to understand certain things. Are you saying you could not ever be wrong about your interpretation?

 

[Mountainmike]

The problem is:
How do you know what the bible says?

And endless Protestant schisms show that they agree the words , but they cannot agree what it says, i.e. Meaning.

The only ones that have the word of God are those that have the right meaning: every one else just has words,

true meaning is carried by authority ( power to bind and loose) and tradition ( the faith handed down by succession) which is why the church is the foundation of truth.

All of which: scripture, history even simple logic show sola scriptura is bunk which is the source of your problem.

The Bible is inspired by God. What does this mean?

Simply put - "What the Bible says, God says."

Some say that the Bible is inspired, but they are not comfortable saying that the Bible is the very words of God. They have some looser, stranger view of inspiration.

What the Bible says, God says. Can we give this a hearty "Amen"?

 

[redleghunter]

Implying that the "word of God" here means the written portion and not the oral one.

It was orally transmitted to the writer who wrote it down. Meaning when a "thus saith the Lord" was pronounced the prophet received inspiration from God, it was proclaimed publicly and then written down. This seems to be a trend in the Holy Scriptures.

 

[redleghunter]

The problem is:
How do you know what the bible says?

Yeah you are right...One actually has to open it up and read it or hear it.

 

[FireDragon76]

Is Christ not I AM?

Christ as I am speaking of is primarily understood in terms of the historical person of Jesus of Nazareth who went about inaugurating the Kingdom of God by preaching the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

 

[Tree of Life]

The problem is:
How do you know what the bible says?

And endless Protestant schisms show that they agree the words , but they cannot agree what it says, i.e. Meaning.

The only ones that have the word of God are those that have the right meaning: every one else just has words,

true meaning is carried by authority ( power to bind and loose) and tradition ( the faith handed down by succession) which is why the church is the foundation of truth.

All of which: scripture, history even simple logic show sola scriptura is bunk which is the source of your problem.

This thread isn't about Sola Scriptura, Mike. So how do you vote?

 

[A Realist]

If the Spirit is leading us to agree with God's word, then the Spirit is leading us.

Is that limited to agreeing with only your interpretation of God's word? What about those who disagree with your interpretation? Are they being lead by the Spirit?