The ice age and the flood

[Greg1234]

What happens when anyone separates themselves from God, God grieves

So man wasn't cut off from his father's wealth, given a lifespan, and then subjected to suffering?

 

[Greg1234]

Well it's just as much as what Jesus said when we think of the parallels between the Pharisees and the elder brother in the Parable of the Two Lost Sons. They formulated what they needed to be right with God and found it incomprehensible that God would accept back the sinners, they were prideful just as the Elder brother was

Why include God? Don't we have to use more physical elements?

 

[AV1611VET]

Including holding the parables of the Father as literal history, isn't that wonderful?

QV please:

In my opinion, the parables that Jesus told are true stories --- things He witnessed in His lifetime.

Jesus' parables were true stories of actual events that He witnessed Himself.

Who said Jesus' parables were not actual incidents He witnessed growing up?

I am not denying Jesus spoke in parables -- I am saying the parables are real, not fictitious.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Presumably you think Jesus didn't have much of an imagination, AV1611VET, or maybe you assume his mind was as literal as yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

Presumably you think Jesus didn't have much of an imagination, AV1611VET, or maybe you assume his mind was as literal as yours.

I think the parables were real events.

 

[Greg1234]

Yes, most of us view religion, especially fundamentalist and literalist religion, as very limiting and, frankly, plain dull in comparison to reality.

Case in point.

Presumably you think Jesus didn't have much of an imagination, AV1611VET, or maybe you assume his mind was as literal as yours.

So in non-fundamentalist, non-literalist religion, the creation of bread ("The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.") is how yeast evolved into a woman?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

So in non-fundamentalist, non-literalist religion, the creation of bread ("The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.") is how yeast evolved into a woman?

You're struggling with this non-literalist business aren't you, Greg.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I think the parables were real events.

Yes, we've established that. And this is presumably because you imagine Jesus's mind was as literal as yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're struggling with this non-literalist business aren't you, Greg.

-- You want him to talk to someone who wants to be a steam engine?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

-- You want him to talk to someone who wants to be a steam engine?

Well you started it, you wanted to be a factory outlet. I was merely joining in the fun.

 

[SkyWriting]

So the labs are on earth. As I thought. Thanks for that. That is about like sitting in front of a plasma TV and imagining the plasma in the far universe works the same way. Ho hum.

Most people do depend on reality to work the same, no matter what the distance is. Either walking or by spaceship, the destination seems to operate by the same rules of physics in both places. You are not required to believe that. I only have my own experiences to work from. A friend of mine walked a different path in the 70's than I did, so I know we aren't all on the same page.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think the parables were real events.

Jesus grew up on the streets of the hood and so had exposure to a lot of life. That's setting aside any possible special knowledge about mankind.

What goof would claim to BE the truth of all mankind, then make up little stories about seeds and rocks and such?

 

[AV1611VET]

Jesus grew up on the streets of the hood and so had exposure to a lot of life.

I guess that's one way to put it.

 

[cupid dave]

What goof would claim to BE the truth of all mankind, then make up little stories about seeds and rocks and such?

LOL

No. Jesus claimed that he was personifying the ideal of Truth in the same way Rev Martin Luther Kingd id.

Even now, the mention of King's name evokes not the man, but the issue which ended with the attempt to silence Truth, only toi find it will always rise again from its own ashes, as if the Phoenix of mythology.

Jesus was saying that what he said about God and Judaism was the Truth, and that the Jews would forever mark his presence by his name that would equate with the Christianty that keeps facing the Jews down.

The Truth jesus proclaimed is now synonomous with the very word Christ.

 

[tobewan]

Jesus words addressed to the Jewish people but were meant to all men everywhere.
That Jesus explained two parables, shows that the parables were not meant literally but as word pictures to relate to something bigger.

 

[tobewan]

Understanding parables:
That is the like understanding - types and antitypes, and like understanding symbols used in the scriptures.

 

[Keachian]

Why include God? Don't we have to use more physical elements?

No, I think you're confusing Cupid Dave's heresy for what I believe.

God is and was and is to come, without God there is nothing, I'm also pretty sure that all of Jesus' parables point to God in some way or another.

 

[Keachian]

QV please:

You do know that there is a word for that sort of story right? English it is anecdote, greek it is anekdota

 

[Keachian]

So in non-fundamentalist, non-literalist religion, the creation of bread ("The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.") is how yeast evolved into a woman?

You're really hung up on this idea that Theistic Evolutionists interpret the Bible to be all about evolution, we don't. Most of the time we look at Gen 1 as an artefact of its time and it really does show, the cosmology described in the passage is a very bronze age middle eastern one, flat earth and everything. From the way that God creates the world we draw parallels with the creation of a temple seeing that God created the world as a home, he is the God with us, to me this is a far more evocative point of the text than holding that God created in 6 days 6000ya, especially when from what I see as Jesus' sparse points on creation he didn't take it as literal anyway.

 

[dad]

Most people do depend on reality to work the same, no matter what the distance is.

Right, just as most people have never been to the stars. So we see the starlight star bright shining through our window at night. Here, where the laws we know are all we assume exists anywhere. How provincial.

Either walking or by spaceship, the destination seems to operate by the same rules of physics in both places.

To...where? How far has man gone? Not far. That is your dilemma.

You are not required to believe that.

Why would I not believe that earth laws apply on the surface of the earth and the immediate area around it?? Hey, we do know some things and have been a little ways off the planet.

I only have my own experiences to work from.

Bingo, and that just doesn't cut the mustard for proclaiming stuff about the far universe.

A friend of mine walked a different path in the 70's than I did, so I know we aren't all on the same page.

All my friends walked on different paths. I think every man on earth does that. We all have our own trip, and God knows each of us in a personal way. Just like He knows the stars. Man doesn't. We win.