The hypocrisy of being "pro-life"

[RaymondG]

Do you honestly think a man is going to rape a woman with the motive of having a child?

Rape is about power... Dominance..

No, but I do not wish to give anyone more reasons to commit this act. Knowing that the victim has to bear the child if conceived could foster a feeling of greater power and dominance, would you say?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I addressed that issue last year. For some reason only SPF was interested. He said the only way to fix it is change laws. I agree.

Is that your dog?

I'll be interested in what some of those laws might look like but that might be another thread.

That is maybe dog Ruby. I have hundreds of pictures of her.

 

[chevyontheriver]

If you were aborted you would not be able to think about it.

Yup. I'd be dead. Killed in my mother's womb. Not given the right to life our constitution provides for the big people who killed me. Capitally punished for nothing I did, without trial, without anyone speaking for me, as big powerful people did me in without me being able to stop it. Just as dead as the convicted felon who didn't do it but was capitally punished anyway. How is it that capital punishment restores the crime victim to wholeness? Do you believe that?

 

[RaymondG]

If you are a grown man or woman... I don't think that you can understand what it is like to be in, what is supposed to be the safest place for you, the womb... and being cut to pieces, alive, and have your head crushed as you are sucked out into a vacuum tube .

You do babies a disservice with your words. This act should be avoided even if it is a most peaceful harmless and safest path straight into the arms of God.

You shouldnt try to make one form of abortion, which happened to be the least common, to be worse than all the rest.....if your desire is to save fetuses, and not simply make people believe what you believe.

 

[RaymondG]

I believe rape is evil, based in evil, but as the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. And if a woman believes in any sense of right and wrong, then rape is not cause for the murdering of another innocent and helpless life.

She'd be no better than the rapist, if she used rape as an excuse to murder an innocent being who, like her, had no choice in the matter, and no ability to defend him/herself.

So now you are giving even more power to the rapist.... And elevating the victim of rape to a higher crime than the rapist: Murderer......If she decides that she cannot carry the fetus of the one who raped her.

I think you should stop while you are ahead.

 

[RaymondG]

Do you think a man who wants a child really would think rape is a good way to do that? I've never yet heard of a rapist being given custody of a child.

No, this is because us religious folks are not yet able to force our beliefs on others. It is only when we put into law that there can be no abortion for any reason, that this could become a motive... And this is would you would like put into law correct?

 

[Hazelelponi]

So now you are giving even more power to the rapist.... And elevating the victim of rape to a higher crime than the rapist: Murderer......If she decides that she cannot carry the fetus of the one who raped her.

I think you should stop while you are ahead.

God forgives sinners.

What He doesn't forgive are those who blindly attempt to justify their sin, and encourage others in it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Plan B is for after the fact. There are plenty of birth control methods that can be used before and during intercourse.

 

[RaymondG]

If I were aborted I might think of my abortion as a punishment. What did I do to deserve THAT?

What if you avoided going into a terrible living situation and went straight into the arms of God? What that be a punishment?

What if you dont go to heaven, by waited and were, later, born into a family that wanted you and had a better life because of it.....would that be a punishment?

And what if a church forced a drug addict to bear and raise you.....you had a terrible life around drugs and gangs and may or may not make it pass 20....would that be punishment?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Yup. I'd be dead. Killed in my mother's womb. Not given the right to life our constitution provides for the big people who killed me. Capitally punished for nothing I did, without trial, without anyone speaking for me, as big powerful people did me in without me being able to stop it. Just as dead as the convicted felon who didn't do it but was capitally punished anyway. How is it that capital punishment restores the crime victim to wholeness? Do you believe that?

You do realize the Constitution does not give the unborn any right to life, correct?

The 14th Amendment clearly specifies a citizen is someone who was "born" here, not conceived.

 

[Hazelelponi]

"What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions." James 4:1-3

 

[jamesbond007]

Over and over again so-called "pro-lifers" say two things that butt against each other:

1. Contraception is a form of abortion, especially the morning after pills (Plan B).
   
2. There is no reason to have an abortion because women can use contraception.

Uh, what? People want women to prevent unwanted pregnancies but not use the devices which were invented solely for that purpose. You can't have it both ways. If you do not want anybody to use contraception, you must love abortions of unwanted embryos and fetuses because using contraceptive pills and devices prevents them.

I also have seen "pro-lifers" speak out against mandatory sex education, which is the only way to make sure all girls and boys learn about contraception and abstinence. Again, if you want all girls and women to avoid having unwanted pregnancies, you must support this requirement for health teachers in every public and private school.

Reducing abortions will not happen by making them illegal. All that would do is make most abortions very dangerous, even life-threatening. It will not reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. If you want the number of abortions to be nearly zero you must support everything that would effectively reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies because desperate women will seek untrained people to remove fetuses out of their bodies.

So what do you want, fewer unwanted pregnancies or a lot of sick women occupying jail cells?

I don't see the Bible being hypocritical.

 

[RaymondG]

God forgives sinners.

What He doesn't forgive are those who blindly attempt to justify their sin, and encourage others in it.

And those with the spirit of God, forgive as well. They dont go around calling people who have gone through traumatic experiences, murderers, not even caring how it feels to be in their situation.

I would suspect that they would pray for them, and not condemn because they feel they are righteous and those, who dont agree with them, arent.

The prayer " Im glad im not like that sinner over there" is never heard.

unwise to believe that, because Jesus did not condemn the woman caught in adultery, that He also encouraged and supported it.

 

[GodLovesCats]

God forgives sinners.

What He doesn't forgive are those who blindly attempt to justify their sin, and encourage others in it.

You contradicted yourself.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I don't see the Bible being hypocritical.

I said the PEOPLE are hypocritical, not the Bible.

 

[jamesbond007]

I said the PEOPLE are hypocritical, not the Bible.

I don't see the people following the Bible being hypocritical.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I don't see the people following the Bible being hypocritical.

Which pepole are you referring to?

I said nothing about people following the Bible.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It seems to me that we ought to protect the most vulnerable and that starts with life still in the womb. But it certainly does not stop at birth. Health and nutrition needs of children are just as important as the need to be protected from abortion. Abortion may have priority but it must not be the only concern.

 

[Hazelelponi]

And those with the spirit of God, forgive as well. They dont go around calling people who have gone through traumatic experiences, murderers, not even caring how it feels to be in their situation.

I would suspect that they would pray for them, and not condemn because they feel they are righteous and those, who dont agree with them, arent.

The prayer " Im glad im not like that sinner over there" is never heard.

unwise to believe that, because Jesus did not condemn the woman caught in adultery, that He also encouraged and supported it.

Those with the Spirit of God don't justify that which is evil and call it good (that's what Satan does), but rather call evil as evil, so that people do not go astray in confusion.

1 Timothy 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Luke 17:3
Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

I see no repentance here, I see an awful lot of people excusing murder.

 

[chevyontheriver]

No, this is because us religious folks are not yet able to force our beliefs on others. It is only when we put into law that there can be no abortion for any reason, that this could become a motive... And this is would you would like put into law correct?

Sorry. I can't imagine rape as ever being a rational way of childbearing. Outside of something as far fetched the Handmaid's Tale that is. So, no. I do not want rape as a legitimate means of childbearing put into law. That's silly. Nor do I want to decriminalize rape. I wouldn't mind raising the penalty for rape and other violent crimes. And making the barbarity of abortion illegal.