The Holy Trinity understood by son of man.

[strangertoo]

Indeed, God is Love.
What is love?

Love is something that exists between or among persons.
God exists between or among persons?

God is the endless being of spirit but creates everything... so God indeed is the connection between everything as well , that depends utterly upon God and how God wants it to be... but God sets rules of creation, parameters , the physical constants [some of which still mystify physicists because they do not understand even Physics fully as yet, not even close actually!] ....change even one of these even minusculely and one has a very different creation altogether , massively different, mostly non-viable to life ... thus we perhaps overlook that these things determine relations too ... [however instabilities at the level of accuracy we can yet , or may ever, attain make it impossible for us to use seeming determinacy reliably ... we might perhaps conjecture that God is vastly more accurate than we are...

Love is an act of the will by which one gives one's Self totally to the other, from the Lover to the Beloved.
God is the Will by which One gives one's Self totally to the other, from the Lover to the Beloved? A Gift?

Yes, God says He is a gift, and indeed there is no price watever, but men cannot receive the spirit as sinners because facing god one-on-one would kill any ordinary sinner... Moses survived something like this, many others in OT and NT scripture did not...

God is not withholding the spirit, He promises it to everyone too , to be fair, but men block God being able to baptise them by refusing to Love as God and Jesus REQUIRE, refusing to stop sinning... sinners even invenmt religions that cause sin to continue to death, and they are the most popular religions too, but cannot deliver the gift of God ... Himself and all His Love and Truth as Holy spirit in spirit baptism

Love is willing and seeking the highest good for the beloved.
God is willing the highest good for the beloved.

Hm ... what does this tell you about God?

That God will save everyone because God is Love and Love is for all equally and never fails to win folks over because it is in fact a better way to live....

 

[strangertoo]

Indeed, God is Love.

What is love?

Love is something that exists between or among persons.
God exists between or among persons?

God is the endless being of spirit but creates everything... so God indeed is the connection between everything as well , that depends utterly upon God and how God wants it to be... but God sets rules of creation, parameters , the physical constants [some of which still mystify physicists because they do not understand even Physics fully as yet, not even close actually!] ....change even one of these even minusculely and one has a very different creation altogether , massively different, mostly non-viable to life ... thus we perhaps overlook that these things determine relations too ... [however instabilities at the level of accuracy we can yet , or may ever, attain make it impossible for us to use seeming determinacy reliably ... we might perhaps conjecture that God is vastly more accurate than we are...

Love is an act of the will by which one gives one's Self totally to the other, from the Lover to the Beloved.
God is the Will by which One gives one's Self totally to the other, from the Lover to the Beloved? A Gift?

Yes, God says He is a gift, and indeed there is no price watever, but men cannot receive the spirit as sinners because facing god one-on-one would kill any ordinary sinner... Moses survived something like this, many others in OT and NT scripture did not...

God is not withholding the spirit, He promises it to everyone too , to be fair, but men block God being able to baptise them by refusing to Love as God and Jesus REQUIRE, refusing to stop sinning... sinners even invenmt religions that cause sin to continue to death, and they are the most popular religions too, but cannot deliver the gift of God ... Himself and all His Love and Truth as Holy spirit in spirit baptism

Love is willing and seeking the highest good for the beloved.
God is willing the highest good for the beloved.

Hm ... what does this tell you about God?

That God will save everyone because God is Love and Love is for all equally and never fails to win folks over because it is in fact a better way to live....

 

[strangertoo]

Indeed, God is Love.

What is love?

Love is something that exists between or among persons.
God exists between or among persons?

God is the endless being of spirit but creates everything... so God indeed is the connection between everything as well , that depends utterly upon God and how God wants it to be... but God sets rules of creation, parameters , the physical constants [some of which still mystify physicists because they do not understand even Physics fully as yet, not even close actually!] ....change even one of these even minusculely and one has a very different creation altogether , massively different, mostly non-viable to life ... thus we perhaps overlook that these things determine relations too ... [however instabilities at the level of accuracy we can yet , or may ever, attain make it impossible for us to use seeming determinacy reliably ... we might perhaps conjecture that God is vastly more accurate than we are...

Love is an act of the will by which one gives one's Self totally to the other, from the Lover to the Beloved.
God is the Will by which One gives one's Self totally to the other, from the Lover to the Beloved? A Gift?

Yes, God says He is a gift, and indeed there is no price watever, but men cannot receive the spirit as sinners because facing god one-on-one would kill any ordinary sinner... Moses survived something like this, many others in OT and NT scripture did not...

God is not withholding the spirit, He promises it to everyone too , to be fair, but men block God being able to baptise them by refusing to Love as God and Jesus REQUIRE, refusing to stop sinning... sinners even invenmt religions that cause sin to continue to death, and they are the most popular religions too, but cannot deliver the gift of God ... Himself and all His Love and Truth as Holy spirit in spirit baptism

Love is willing and seeking the highest good for the beloved.
God is willing the highest good for the beloved.

Hm ... what does this tell you about God?

That God will save everyone because God is Love and Love is for all equally and never fails to win folks over because it is in fact a better way to live....

 

[AHJE]

Indeed, God is Love.
What is love?

Love is something that exists between or among persons.
God exists between or among persons?

God is the endless being of spirit but creates everything... so God indeed is the connection between everything as well , that depends utterly upon God and how God wants it to be... but God sets rules of creation, parameters , the physical constants [some of which still mystify physicists because they do not understand even Physics fully as yet, not even close actually!] ....change even one of these even minusculely and one has a very different creation altogether , massively different, mostly non-viable to life ... thus we perhaps overlook that these things determine relations too ... [however instabilities at the level of accuracy we can yet , or may ever, attain make it impossible for us to use seeming determinacy reliably ... we might perhaps conjecture that God is vastly more accurate than we are...

My focus is more on Eternity (even before the beginning of creation).
God is between or among persons? For God is Love?

Yes, God says He is a gift, and indeed there is no price watever, but men cannot receive the spirit as sinners because facing god one-on-one would kill any ordinary sinner... Moses survived something like this, many others in OT and NT scripture did not...

Before creation ... in Eternity God is Gift? Total Self-Donation? (from Lover to the Beloved)? If God is Love, Who is the Lover ... and Who is the Beloved?

God is not withholding the spirit, He promises it to everyone too , to be fair, but men block God being able to baptise them by refusing to Love as God and Jesus REQUIRE, refusing to stop sinning... sinners even invenmt religions that cause sin to continue to death, and they are the most popular religions too, but cannot deliver the gift of God ... Himself and all His Love and Truth as Holy spirit in spirit baptism

Very good, ... you associate the Gift that is God with the Holy Spirit.
God is Gift ... the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Love.

That God will save everyone because God is Love and Love is for all equally and never fails to win folks over because it is in fact a better way to live....

Before creation in Eternity ... God is Love ... the Will which seeks the highest good of the Beloved, ... Eternal Life and Fullness of Joy, ... Complete Joy ... Bliss. Rapturous Bliss. Divine Ecstasy. Blissful Delight.

The main point is that God IS Love and this truth does not depend on His work of Creation, Redemption, nor of Sanctification.

God is Love from eternity to eternity.

God bless you.

 

[strangertoo]

My focus is more on Eternity (even before the beginning of creation).
God is between or among persons? For God is Love?

-- you will get get not far with a Newtonian view of an infinity of time... you cannot impose modern untruths upon scripture and expect the Truth to emerge ... it is one of the great deep truths of science that we have PROVEN that time is local [and thus integral to] every point in the universe, NOT the general concept Newton PRESUMED WAS INFINITE ... thus time is created in physical universes and ends with the inevitable end of each universe ...

time then is NEVER infinite, there is no eternity of time ... the IDEA was a mistake we have now CORRECTED , but lives on in many minds and is enshrined in much language from times when men thought Newton had solved the whole of Physics with his insights... but they were only transient steps out of ignorance through mistakes to better [more widely consistent] truths ... Newton's ideas break down under accurate scrutiny of time using atomic clocks, and astronomy ... we can see why they work approximately in many situations but that the very concept of infinite time is FALSE ...

in fact this has been known by a few for thousands of years, even the bible points out that Jesus is beginning and END ... few peole bother to understand what that means though ... in fact there is inevitably an end to this heavens [universe] and the new heavens ... and Paul speaks of the spirit [God, paradise of immortality of the tree of life] as being the THIRD heavens ... with no corresponding third earth, unlike the first two, because the third heavens is endlessness of spirit, and any third earth would of course end because it was created, physical...

so it is as well to abandon the word 'eternal' as it means 'infinite time' to many people... God however is without time , time-less, end-less , non-physical, uncreated, spirit... perfect as-it-were because time cannot touch God ... God is not in time and space but creates them and they end ... but God re-creates them, and the end again... and there must be a cycle of re-creation too because nothing created can be 'new' as God is complete, everything that exists endlessly, whole, ONE ... there is nothing else to create than what is created and ends [repeatedly then]

Before creation ... in Eternity God is Gift? Total Self-Donation? (from Lover to the Beloved)? If God is Love, Who is the Lover ... and Who is the Beloved?

this question actually yields the resolution of the long-standing 'duality myth' by integrating it's truth ... if one follows it to the end ...

the key is perhaps the fact that the creator [that which creates] is endless... [else creations would just end and there would be no more creation] ... and the creator is whole , ONE, undivided , but CREATES a necessary appearance ['illusion', virtual reality, 'dream'] of 'dualism' by creating not-God [Ezek 28] ... not-God is then the essence of sin in the created universes,the arrow of time that drives toward the end ... so teh beauty of God in the physical is seen by that which slows time to a minimum of destruction [closest to reversibility , which even in theory is POSSIBLE in Physics, but rarely attained... and physical life is not reversible EXCEPT through re-creation , resurrection and manifestation , from the spirit ... life on its own stabilises the IDENTIFIABLE individual until death at expense of destruction of the environment[ eating other life for instance, destroying it for ones own stability for a time]

Very good, ... you associate the Gift that is God with the Holy Spirit.
God is Gift ... the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Love.

yes indeed ... we can see this many ways, but one is to come to realise [by inspiration] that Love is NOT perfected without understanding the Plan of God for redemption of creation out of Love, the NECESSITY in God toe BE God to us , to Love us all, no possible exceptions... to make ONE what is not-ONE ... it cannot be done except by endless repetition ... but we can scarsce undestand what that means because God iswithout time and our understanding is so linked to false illusions of what time is... [in fact some Physicists have realised time always was a FALSE idea , which we shall leave behind, just as we moved on Newton's ideas, but then moved on from them]

Before creation in Eternity ... God is Love ... the Will which seeks the highest good of the Beloved, ... Eternal Life and Fullness of Joy, ... Complete Joy ... Bliss. Rapturous Bliss. Divine Ecstasy. Blissful Delight.

this all works except that word 'before' ... like many words applied to Godit doesn't really apply does it ...

The main point is that God IS Love and this truth does not depend on His work of Creation, Redemption, nor of Sanctification.

I guess we need to discuss this in more detail, perhaps in several threads , because there are countless lies integral to what is broadly termed religion of men [sinners , not saints]
God doesn't 'work' as such, not even in creation ... redemption is a feature of Love but is not by the means of religion ,but by the means of saints ... and sanctification is simply the essence behind the three baptisms , which I discuss in my many threads in UT , perfection of Love in life

God is Love from eternity to eternity.

except there is no eternity in the sense most understand it as an infinity of time... the conception is false and the transltaion in scripture is equally false [see e.g. Rotherhams's Emphasised Bible and Young's Literal Translation]
God is Love in every aeon, every age, every creation, every universe...
...may God bless your continuing quest to understand ... know that without the first step no-one gets very far at all though ... I do ot knowif you took it, but here it is :-

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

I explain why it is not optional elsewhere, but likely you already know this it seems....

Matthew 3:11 ‘I indeed do baptize you with water to reformation, but he who after me is coming is mightier than I, of whom I am not worthy to bear the sandals, he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire,

 

[2ducklow]

1 john 4.7 Beloved! let us be loving one another; because, love (agape), is, of God, and, whosoever loveth, of God, hath been born, and is getting to understand God: 8 He that doth not love, doth not understand God, because, God, is, love (agape).

God's love is agape, mans love is phileo, the Love that God has isn't the love that man has, it's his own much more pure and powerful love. The love described in 1 cor 13. If anyone has expereienced God's love they know what I'm talking about, if you haven't experienced God's agape love, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[strangertoo]

1 john 4.7 Beloved! let us be loving one another; because, love (agape), is, of God, and, whosoever loveth, of God, hath been born, and is getting to understand God: 8 He that doth not love, doth not understand God, because, God, is, love (agape).

God's love is agape, mans love is phileo, the Love that God has isn't the love that man has, it's his own much more pure and powerful love. The love described in 1 cor 13. If anyone has expereienced God's love they know what I'm talking about, if you haven't experienced God's agape love, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

Well it's indeed true ... Jesus went a long way toward making the distinction clear by saying what Love is NOT... 1 Corinthians 13 ... but one cannot expect anyone who sins to take that seriously either because they do not have the desire to Love, they have the desire to sin - and God looks on the heart of desire... to make the DIVISION wheat [saints] from tares [still sinners.. though most , many billions, will turn to Love in the new earth kingdom come of Jesus Christ ruling at last by Love, again , no sin allowable on pain of death as it's wages still, a second death for sin -Rev 7:9-10]

Ezek 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Romans 6:23 for the wages of the sin is death, and the gift of God is life age-during in Christ Jesus our Lord.

the problem for sinners is not that God does not want to give them their gift for FREE , but that God would kill them if they go face-to-face in spirit baptism before ceasing all sin they acknowledge to themselves...

God will teach the rest of one's sin in spirit baptism and that is about as much shame all at once that most men can bear without dying... spirit baptism is to be taken VERY seriously and few sinners do so... but then sinners obviously don't take stopping sinning, dying to the 'man of sin' in them, seriously at water baptism either....else they would be given God's free gift of spirit baptism that Jesus died to bring all men eventually [Joel 2:28] but FEW make it in this life and the many are destroyed for ... SIN! [Matt 7:13-14] .... one cannot get most sinners to take their sin seriously BECAUSE of mass religion of sinners LOL? God will sort them out later, but they do not even believe that LOLOL?

 

[AHJE]

Well, .. my ultimate point is that in order for God to BE love, there must also be a Lover and a Beloved.

The Son is declared by the Father to be the Beloved, and the Father is then the Lover. The Holy Spirit is the LOVE between the Lover and the Beloved, ... the LOVE between the Father and the Son. Yes, ... the Holy Spirit is LOVE PERSONIFIED, the Third Person of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.

"God is Love" ... this Divine Truth teaches us this much.

God bless you.

 

[strangertoo]

Well, .. my ultimate point is that in order for God to BE love, there must also be a Lover and a Beloved.

The Son is declared by the Father to be the Beloved, and the Father is then the Lover. The Holy Spirit is the LOVE between the Lover and the Beloved, ... the LOVE between the Father and the Son. Yes, ... the Holy Spirit is LOVE PERSONIFIED, the Third Person of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.

"God is Love" ... this Divine Truth teaches us this much.

God bless you.

but your personal enthusiasm is what causes you to believe the falsehood...
The Love of God IS God , there is no separate spirit ... the MEANS of Love is Jesus who brings God fully Himself as spirit to baptise all men eventually -Joel 2:28, but few in this life in this world -Matt 7:13-14, Jude 1:14, Rev 7:3-8

what God Loves is the creation who all become sons of God in three main stages called God's Plan of redemption of creation from evil to perfect Love...

so in your picture there are billions, not three :-

Romans 8:14 for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God;

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

so you are not counting all of the things you set out to count... but it is BIZARRE , completely without any reason, that you even try to count God... WHY ON EARTH do so ????? ...but the answer is ONE , because the spirit alone is endless and is ALL that is endless , nothing else ... creations all END ...so no matter what you THOUGHT you saw, the answer is one...
but if you TELL ME WHY you want to count God's aspects inthe world then I will explain yet again,the answer is COUNTLESS, not just 3 ... and they are ALL ONE ... one endless creator spirit ,naught else when creations end

John 4:24 God is a Spirit...

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me

these cannot even possibly be called TWO.... how can you say such a thing ????? they are the same thing, never two of anything...

How can you let yourself be conned into saying you believe God is DISTINCT from Himself , so that is two ????

 

[Ave Maria]

Although this idea of the Holy Trinity has been carried, dropped and picked up again and then denounced again, it has never been properly defined to be understood. That is because;

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end,....." Dan.12;4


Today, after the year 2000AD we can read and understand the book again. We have entered the last and final millennium, so we are in the "time of the end." (What else can be the time of the end if not this seventh conclusive millennium matching God's seventh Genesis day?)

It actually has been properly defined. Take a look at the Athanasian Creed which you can find here:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Athanasian Creed

 

[he-man]

It actually has been properly defined. Take a look at the Athanasian Creed which you can find here:

Mat 24:36) "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

 

[AHJE]

Mat 24:36) "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Mar 13:32But of that day andthathour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

That's right, in his Human Nature, Jesus does not know (with His Human Intellect) the day nor the hour. But in His Divine Nature, as God, the Son knows all things. And that was His way of saying to His Holy Apostles, "I'm not telling you ..."

Jesus is omniscient. Peter said to Jesus "You know all things" and Jesus did not rebuke nor correct St. Peter.

Peace be with you.

 

[strangertoo]

It actually has been properly defined. Take a look at the Athanasian Creed which you can find here:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Athanasian Creed

the trinity of the Persons of God, and the twofold nature in the one Divine Person of Jesus Christ. At various points the author calls attention to the penalty incurred by those who refuse to accept any of the articles therein set down...
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

faith in sinners by means of fear of annihilation when the spirit of a man is of God and so cannot even possibly be annihilated...

it ain't the way of the God of Love... but it is the long-established way of powermongers, sinners ...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

...Rev 13:3-4 shows the success of this way, all the world worshipping Satan as God in a single catholic [small 'c'] church of men against a couple of thousand very weary saints of God about to give up when Jesus returns to cut short their suffering for sake of Truth of God ... the end though is the destruction of the many for their sin, none still sinners can be taken by Jesus to pollute the Loving kingdom come with sin and destroy the new earth too , destroy themselves all over again for nothing of any value through blind devotion to sin, not Love :-

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

 

[strangertoo]

That's right, in his Human Nature, Jesus does not know (with His Human Intellect) the day nor the hour. But in His Divine Nature, as God, the Son knows all things. And that was His way of saying to His Holy Apostles, "I'm not telling you ..."

Jesus is omniscient. Peter said to Jesus "You know all things" and Jesus did not rebuke nor correct St. Peter.

Peace be with you.

This is a good point about manifestation [and translation], that it involves a change in knowing related to the denial of men of Love and the acceptance of the world as not-God , divvided , separate, not-ONE , transient, temporal... etc... seemingly a simple act of belief but with many consequences...

 

[AHJE]

but your personal enthusiasm is what causes you to believe the falsehood...

What is the falsehood? "God is Love." It does not say that God is Lover or Beloved. God IS Love.

The Love of God IS God , there is no separate spirit ... the MEANS of Love is Jesus who brings God fully Himself as spirit to baptise all men eventually -Joel 2:28, but few in this life in this world -Matt 7:13-14, Jude 1:14, Rev 7:3-8

what God Loves is the creation who all become sons of God in three main stages called God's Plan of redemption of creation from evil to perfect Love...

But you keep ignoring that "God IS Love" even before there WAS a Creation. Creation has a definite beginning. Read the first verse of Sacred Writing in the Book of Genesis.

so in your picture there are billions, not three :-

None of us are sons as Jesus is Son. He is the ONLY Begotten of the Father by very Nature. None of us are that. Those who are baptized are sons by grace, the grace of adoption.

Romans 8:14 for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God;

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

so you are not counting all of the things you set out to count... but it is BIZARRE , completely without any reason, that you even try to count God... WHY ON EARTH do so ????? ...but the answer is ONE , because the spirit alone is endless and is ALL that is endless , nothing else ... creations all END ...so no matter what you THOUGHT you saw, the answer is one...
but if you TELL ME WHY you want to count God's aspects inthe world then I will explain yet again,the answer is COUNTLESS, not just 3 ... and they are ALL ONE ... one endless creator spirit ,naught else when creations end

John 4:24 God is a Spirit...

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me

these cannot even possibly be called TWO.... how can you say such a thing ????? they are the same thing, never two of anything...

How can you let yourself be conned into saying you believe God is DISTINCT from Himself , so that is two ????

God is God and there is no other Divine BEING or NATURE.
As for the Persons in the One God, there are THREE, not just one.
Three Persons in One God. Not three Gods, but ONE.

This is what Jesus has Divinely Revealed. He said to baptize in the NAME (Singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

God bless you.

 

[strangertoo]

What is the falsehood? "God is Love." It does not say that God is Lover or Beloved. God IS Love.

Yes, but if God id not the Lover than God is not a person , let alone three persons...

But you keep ignoring that "God IS Love" even before there WAS a Creation. Creation has a definite beginning. Read the first verse of Sacred Writing in the Book of Genesis.

there is nothing to Love without a creation, and there is no 'before' creation, time is created as the creation , only existsas a construct within the creation and is local ...

None of us are sons as Jesus is Son. He is the ONLY Begotten of the Father by very Nature. None of us are that. Those who are baptized are sons by grace, the grace of adoption.

the bible disagrees with that dogma ... one must choose between the words of saints and sinners... most prefer sinners for now , but it is short-sighted to do so

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

God is God and there is no other Divine BEING or NATURE.

indeed , but 'nature' is of course a poetic use of the word here

As for the Persons in the One God, there are THREE, not just one.
Three Persons in One God. Not three Gods, but ONE.

clearly God is His spirit, and there are not two spirits or two Gods , so cleaply too a spirit is not a person ... as you say, God is Love , Love is not a person , not a Lover... sortaher obviously not two persons, let alone three .... but the son of God is a person when manifested , but then so are all other sons of God when manifested... indeed Jesus is not a person now but countless others, tens of thousand are persons of God, sons of God , already

This is what Jesus has Divinely Revealed.

nah, you just believed sinners who made a mistake and aren't big enough to admit they made a mistake , the emperor has no clothes, is naked before God... a sinner

He said to baptize in the NAME (Singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

maybe so, maybe not, some bits of scripture are edited in as seen by the differences between supposed 'copies' but even if so it does not say there are three persons , does it ... and now one could add far more to this list, no reason to stop at three any more... all sons are ONE ...

 

[dana b]

The Holy Trinity is everywhere, in the world, in the Bible book arrangement and even in the fact that there are three primary Christian Churches.

 

[barryrob]

The Bible shows that Jesus has a God whom he worships. Example: prayer is an act of Worship, Jesus prayed many times to his Father and God.
1 Corinthians 15:24
Next, the end, when he [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to his God and Father. . .

2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, . . .

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of the Lord Jesus,. . .

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,. . .

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, . . .

2 John 3
There will be with us undeserved kindness, mercy [and] peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ the Son of the Father, with truth and love.

The Texts say "the God ... of Jesus Christ" and "the ... Father of Jesus Christ." They are the same person!
Showing The Father (Jehovah) is Jesus' God, which Jesus himself confirmed when he said:-

Matthew 27:46
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

John 20:17
I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”

So the word of Jesus Christ's own mouth puts the creeds in their true light, they are false teachings!

rob

 

[strangertoo]

The Holy Trinity is everywhere, in the world, in the Bible book arrangement and even in the fact that there are three primary Christian Churches.

and look who rules and is worshipped in religion everywhere in the world soon... not Jesus - Rev 13:3-4

but what the bible says has been much discussed here and very clearly does not say wht you wnat to make it say...

God is spirit , God is His spirit ... there are not two 'persons' in heaven , not even one person, just one spirit, undivided, indivisible, not three anythings...

Jesus was a person for a while, but equally was Logos the covering cherub at the right hand of God , which is no 'person' and NEVER distinct from God [John 1]

as for begotten sons of God , there are countless many, not just Jesus the first... all are images of Jesus Christ ... so if one for unfathomable reason wants to count sonns of God there are many and the number is increasing :-

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

thus it really ain't worth dividing this site and all Christianity on basis of some insistence that God is a different distinct person than his own spirit which is another distinct person from Logos ... these are NOT persons and they are not distinct, they are the same ONE God , indivisible and NOT made up of persons at all, but ONE spirit which is God in all His MANY aspects, not just three ... all ONE ... at no point does scripture suggest God is only 3 aspects in one, always MANY ... but the aspects of God are not all persons and there are many sons of God , all persons, not three, not one, but all one... and there is NO MYSTERY in that ... really, no mystery at all...

 

[dana b]

and look who rules and is worshipped in religion everywhere in the world soon... not Jesus - Rev 13:3-4

but what the bible says has been much discussed here and very clearly does not say wht you wnat to make it say...

God is spirit , God is His spirit ... there are not two 'persons' in heaven , not even one person, just one spirit, undivided, indivisible, not three anythings...

Jesus was a person for a while, but equally was Logos the covering cherub at the right hand of God , which is no 'person' and NEVER distinct from God [John 1]

as for begotten sons of God , there are countless many, not just Jesus the first... all are images of Jesus Christ ... so if one for unfathomable reason wants to count sonns of God there are many and the number is increasing :-

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

thus it really ain't worth dividing this site and all Christianity on basis of some insistence that God is a different distinct person than his own spirit which is another distinct person from Logos ... these are NOT persons and they are not distinct, they are the same ONE God , indivisible and NOT made up of persons at all, but ONE spirit which is God in all His MANY aspects, not just three ... all ONE ... at no point does scripture suggest God is only 3 aspects in one, always MANY ... but the aspects of God are not all persons and there are many sons of God , all persons, not three, not one, but all one... and there is NO MYSTERY in that ... really, no mystery at all...

You ask above "who rules in religion?" The rules of the lands of of three types. The survival of the fittest rules in India and China. They follow religions which "respect power."

The lands of the Moslems are governed by the "law of Justice." This law enforces justice and keeps security and stability in thier lands. But it lacks compassion and mercy.

The lands of Christiandom which are all of Europe live under a law of Justice with the compassion and mercy of Jesus Christ added in. Jesus came to expand the law. He brought in the fufilment of the prophesy of Jeremiah 31;31. If you don't know it, read it.

So in European Christian Israel of today the spirit of Christ's teachings rules. Yes, although many have forgotten their cultural origins they are nevertheless built on Christian biblical principles. Even most of the self claiming athiests of Europe and North America carry unconsciously a Christian persuasion of would outlook. This is today embedded into our culture. It took the entire "times of the Gentiles" in order to brainwash ourselve to be Christians. Now it ok for us even to forget who and what we are. But our ingrained sensitivities and understanding is already intrinsically Christian.

Islam and Hindu-Buddhism likewise have there own cultural understanding. Hindu-Buddhism honors power, and Islam honors justice. But Christianity honors "Freedom." Yes, this is true.

The Trinity is the way the whole world is composed. It is a human beings ability to percieve of this world from "three perspectives." Only human beings are capable of doing this. It unites us with God. Jesus said that God said that we would become "sons of God."


But today, after the year 2000AD, we are the "sons of Man" in our glory!