The History Channel & Christianity

[Iollain]

The point was that this article made us citizens of earth controlled by aliens of the heavens.

they must be strict Calvinists.

 

[ScottBot]

they must be strict Calvinists.

 

[racer]

Do you guys remember the series they did on the first 1000 years of the Church? I don't remember if it was that series or what, but, I watched one show which discussed saints, I believe . . . . Anyhow, that show talked about a less famous saint from Chzechoslavakia, St. Wenceslaus. This was extremely interesting to me because the Catholic Church in the nearest decent sized town from where I live--7 miles away--is St. Wenceslaus CC. That's probably because the name of that town is Prague. It was settled by Czechs a hundred or so years ago. Anyhow, that was the first I'd ever heard speak of him other than in reference to that church.

BTW, it also happens that this parish is a shrine. It is the National Shrine of the Infant Jesus. People travel from all over to visit it . . . . .

 

[racer]

From New Advent:


St. Wenceslaus

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(Also Vaclav, Vaceslav.) Duke, martyr, and patron of Bohemia, born probably 903; died at Alt-Bunzlau, 28 September, 935. His parents were Duke Wratislaw, a Christian, and Dragomir, a heathen. He received a good Christian education from his grandmother (St. Ludmilla) and at Budweis. After the death of Wratislaw, Dragomir, acting as regent, opposed Christianity, and Wenceslaus, being urged by the people, took the reins of government. He placed his duchy under the protection of Germany, introduced German priests, and favoured the Latin rite instead of the old Slavic, which had gone into disuse in many places for want of priests. Wenceslaus had taken the vow of virginity and was known for his virtues. The Emperor Otto I conferred on him the regal dignity and title. For religious and national motives, and at the instigation of Dragomir, Wenceslaus was murdered by his brother Boleslaw. The body, hacked to pieces, was buried at the place of murder, but three years later Boleslaw, having repented of his deed, ordered its translation to the Church of St. Vitus in Prague. The gathering of his relics is noted in the calendars on 27 June, their translation on 4 March; his feast is celebrated on 28 September.

 

[Carey]

The History Channel and Discovery, etc. all treat Christianity like Loch Ness or Area 51. It's sad Christians even watch it.

How can a Christian help someone come to God if the Christian does'nt even know what a person believes.
So watching anything about Christianity and learning where there are faults in it must be a good thing.
I personally found nothing that would lead a person
to disbelieve the Bible in the History Channels scular
packaging of Historcal facts.

 

[racer]

Here's some more trivia. Through my father, I am a descendant of the Citizen Pottawatomi Nation (formerly, Citizen Band Pottawatomi) tribe. It was through/for or due to this tribe that the CC first came and esablished itself in Oklahoma. The Sacred Heart Mission in Konawa, is referred to as the Cradle of Catholicism in Oklahoma. Here are some interesting web sites:

http://www.catharchdioceseokc.org/sooner/Past_issues/2005/History%20Issue/sites.htm

 

[ScottBot]

Here's some more trivia. Through my father, I am a descendant of the Citizen Pottawatomi Nation (formerly, Citizen Band Pottawatomi) tribe. It was through/for or due to this tribe that the CC first came and esablished itself in Oklahoma. The Sacred Heart Mission in Konawa, is referred to as the Cradle of Catholicism in Oklahoma. Here are some interesting web sites:

http://www.catharchdioceseokc.org/sooner/Past_issues/2005/History%20Issue/sites.htm

We catholics don't use cradles, we prefer mangers.

 

[racer]

We catholics don't use cradles, we prefer mangers.

Okay . . . . .

 

[racer]

For some reason, I didn't finish my post. Here it is in its entirety:

http://www.konawa.k12.ok.us/community/sacred_heart/sacred_heart_mission.html

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/chronicles/v005/v005p234.html

http://www.catharchdioceseokc.org/sooner/Past_issues/2005/History%20Issue/sites.htm

Sacred Heart Abbey Ruins, Konawa
Sacred Heart, on present-day State Highway 9 about four miles north of the Canadian River in Pottawatomie County, is among the historic treasures of early Oklahoma. Founded in 1877, it was a rare center of civilization on the Indian Territory frontier. Benedictine officials named it a priory in 1892 and an abbey in 1896.
Several schools, from elementary grades through theological seminary level, flourished here. Jim Thorpe attended first grade at Sacred Heart, and all manner of travelers, from priests to outlaws, received hospitality from the monks. It even had its own U.S. post office, with Father Isidore Robot, O.S.B., as the first postmaster. It was also the headquarters of the apostolic prefecture of the Indian Territory; the fledgling Oklahoma church was governed from Sacred Heart until 1891.
It all came to an end on the night of January 15, 1901, when the entire campus of frame structures was consumed by fire. Students returned to their homes, and the monks scattered to various places in the U.S. and elsewhere. One large building was rebuilt, but by this time it had become obvious that no railroad was going to come anywhere near Sacred Heart, and so the schools could never draw pupils from any distance.
Isidore Robot, whose chief interest was to locate his Benedictine brethren in a place relatively free from civil and ecclesiastical oversight, was happy to become the first resident priest in Oklahoma. Fully aware that the Roman legal mills were already grinding, he and Dominic Lambert exited Fort Smith, Arkansas, in October 1875. They had been at first inclined to settle among the Osages in the area around Pawhuska, but the Osages seem not to have answered their inquiry, so they went instead to Atoka, in the Choctaw Nation, where was standing the single Catholic church within the Indian Territory.

 

[ScottBot]

Okay . . . . .

Its the Manger of Catholicism in Oklahoma....

 

[racer]

For some reason, I didn't finish my post. Here it is in its entirety:

http://www.konawa.k12.ok.us/community/sacred_heart/sacred_heart_mission.html

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/chronicles/v005/v005p234.html

http://www.catharchdioceseokc.org/sooner/Past_issues/2005/History%20Issue/sites.htm

Sacred Heart Abbey Ruins, Konawa
Sacred Heart, on present-day State Highway 9 about four miles north of the Canadian River in Pottawatomie County, is among the historic treasures of early Oklahoma. Founded in 1877, it was a rare center of civilization on the Indian Territory frontier. Benedictine officials named it a priory in 1892 and an abbey in 1896.
Several schools, from elementary grades through theological seminary level, flourished here. Jim Thorpe attended first grade at Sacred Heart, and all manner of travelers, from priests to outlaws, received hospitality from the monks. It even had its own U.S. post office, with Father Isidore Robot, O.S.B., as the first postmaster. It was also the headquarters of the apostolic prefecture of the Indian Territory; the fledgling Oklahoma church was governed from Sacred Heart until 1891.
It all came to an end on the night of January 15, 1901, when the entire campus of frame structures was consumed by fire. Students returned to their homes, and the monks scattered to various places in the U.S. and elsewhere. One large building was rebuilt, but by this time it had become obvious that no railroad was going to come anywhere near Sacred Heart, and so the schools could never draw pupils from any distance.
Isidore Robot, whose chief interest was to locate his Benedictine brethren in a place relatively free from civil and ecclesiastical oversight, was happy to become the first resident priest in Oklahoma. Fully aware that the Roman legal mills were already grinding, he and Dominic Lambert exited Fort Smith, Arkansas, in October 1875. They had been at first inclined to settle among the Osages in the area around Pawhuska, but the Osages seem not to have answered their inquiry, so they went instead to Atoka, in the Choctaw Nation, where was standing the single Catholic church within the Indian Territory.

Still didn't get the whole post:

Continued from article above:

From this base they made an initial tour of the whole region, eventually deciding that as hosts the Potawatomi were a better bet than the Osages. The Citizen Band portion of the tribe, who, like the other Potawatomi, had earlier been evangelized by French Jesuits, offered the monks one square mile of land in exchange for a church and school.
Meanwhile, in September 1876, the documents arrived from Rome informing Robot that he was now the apostolic prefect of the Indian Territory, the chief Catholic missionary priest to the region. (The difference between a prefecture and a vicariate, is that a prefecture is generally entrusted to a religious order, one of whose priests serves as the prefect, while a vicariate is governed by a bishop.)
It thus came about that Sacred Heart Mission was founded in a couple of log cabins near the south end of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation in May 1877. Within three years Robot would build a large monastery, separate schools for boys and girls, a vocational-technical school, and the beginnings of a seminary. It would be several years before his interests extended to building any parish structures. In 1879 the pope gave him the honorary title of abbot, but he never applied to a bishop for the usual blessing.
The new town of Shawnee had the idea of offering land to groups that would build colleges there. The result was Oklahoma Baptist University on one side of Highway 3 and St. Gregory's College on the other. The Catholic University of Oklahoma, as it was called at first, opened its doors in September 1915.
The abbatial seat was transferred in 1929, and the Shawnee institution became St. Gregory's Abbey, with Sacred Heart once again a simple priory. The cradle of Oklahoma Catholicism finally shut down for good in 1954. A few outbuildings and cemeteries for the early monks and the Sisters of Mercy remain, along with the Sacred Heart parish church.

 

[racer]

Its the Manger of Catholicism in Oklahoma....

Okay . . . . okay . . .

 

[catlover]

I just find it unusual for a non-Apostolic to wear a Roman collar. Typically, only Catholics, Orthodox, and Anglicans do.

I have seen Methodists and Lutheran pastors in the backward collar as well.

 

[ScottBot]

I have seen Methodists and Lutheran pastors in the backward collar as well.

I need to get out more.

 

[racer]

I have seen Methodists and Lutheran pastors in the backward collar as well.

Yes, Mel Gibson was a Lutheran minister in Signs. I thought he wore a collar in that movie.

 

[catlover]

I need to get out more.

It's okay Scott, i have been to many, many, churches.

The Evangelical Lutheran pastors sometimes wear those fancy over thing-a-ma-jigs too,during services.

 

[ScottBot]

Yes, Mel Gibson was a Lutheran minister in Signs. I thought he wore a collar in that movie.

I thought he was an Anglican or Episcopal.

 

[ScottBot]

It's okay Scott, i have been to many, many, churches.

The Evangelical Lutheran pastors sometimes wear those fancy over thing-a-ma-jigs too,during services.

So have I. After my brief attendance at the Church of Sensual Hedonism in the 80s, I became Greek Orthodox. Then, after another tour through the Church of Hedonism (I dug their worship services) I became a Full Gospel, Open Bible, Charismatic whoppin' and hollerin' Bapticostal. After I was done with showbusiness, (about 2 years), I started examining my faith, which braught me back to Rome.

 

[catlover]

So have I. After my brief attendance at the Church of Sensual Hedonism in the 80s, I became Greek Orthodox. Then, after another tour through the Church of Hedonism (I dug their worship services) I became a Full Gospel, Open Bible, Charismatic whoppin' and hollerin' Bapticostal. After I was done with showbusiness, (about 2 years), I started examining my faith, which braught me back to Rome.

How were The Greek Orthdox?

 

[ScottBot]

How were The Greek Orthdox?

In church, stoic. Outside of church, industrious and a heck of alot of fun to party with. My best Easters were with the Orthodox.