Hindu The growing intolerance of Hinduism

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As YHWH Sovereign Creator says, as YESHUA says, not just Hinduism, but every religion of the world hates YESHUA and hates YESHUA'S disciples/followers/ ekklesia. There is no exception. (This totally includes all of the non-religious groups also , not just religions/ countries/ ethnic groups)

If you choose to follow Me (YESHUA)...
If you stand up for the TRUTH (YESHUA) ....
If you are born again (in YESHUA)....

Don't be surprised the whole world hates you, becauses it hated Me first ....

Agreed but it is the world that is doing the hating not us. They cannot handle the words that come from our mouth.

Hinduism has a long tradition of tolerance. The Christian community in Southern India dates to the days of the apostle Thomas. While Islam has succeeded in destroying or driving out many Christian communities in the Middle East this has not been the Indian way. So what has changed? Is this a symptom of a growing church being persecuted for its success in converting Hindus or is this a political movement motivated by some ugly nationalistic motivation.
 
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..... ummmmm....

looks like you didn't read 15 hundred years of history ....

they have done so more often than any other group I can think of....

Seems you confuse what has been done in Gods name with Christianity. Sometimes God does indeed work through the governing authorities to whom he has given the power of the sword. But if God respects a mans freewill enough to send him to hell for refusing His mercy and grace the idea of forced conversions in the Kingdom of God is a false one.
 
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Seems you confuse what has been done in Gods name with Christianity.
No, I meant 'Christianity' the same way the world does. The powers that are called Christian on earth for almost 2000 years. Directly: Christendom.
 
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Agreed but it is the world that is doing the hating not us. They cannot handle the words that come from our mouth.
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"Agreed " .... "but" ? In this we are in agreement (re YHWH's children) - the world is doing the hating. They cannot handle the words (nor our lives, even if we remain quiet).
 
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"Agreed " .... "but" ? In this we are in agreement (re YHWH's children) - the world is doing the hating. They cannot handle the words (nor our lives, even if we remain quiet).

So you think it might be the churches success in India that is provoking the Hindu reaction?
 
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So you think it might be the churches success in India that is provoking the Hindu reaction?
I don't know about that, here specifically. (the "churches" you're referring to).

Wherever in the world the believers / followers of Yeshua live, they are subject to persecution. This is written. It is unchangeable and always truth.
So then, if they start growing in numbers, or even just 'publicity', all the opponents of God might obviously get upset - this is expected.
 
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I don't know about that, here specifically. (the "churches" you're referring to).

Wherever in the world the believers / followers of Yeshua live, they are subject to persecution. This is written. It is unchangeable and always truth.
So then, if they start growing in numbers, or even just 'publicity', all the opponents of God might obviously get upset - this is expected.

This seems to be happening but the persecution is due to the influence of Hinduvta on the ruling party of the BJP. So it comes down to choices by Primeminister Modi and the things he will do to stay in power.

Christians Packing Churches in India as Christianity Sees Surprising Growth Despite Rising Persecution Cases | Christian News on Christian Today
 
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For the average Hindu in India, the caste system is fundamental, even if the law explicitly tries to negate its more pernicious aspects. Like Christian fundamentalism, Hindu fundamentalism is more about the sacred ordering of life along a rigid moral and social code, rather than esoteric mysticism. And as a result, there is just as much hostility towards modernity and globalism as in conservative Christian circles in the US.
 
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Hindus can be just as violent and dogmatic as the most extreme Muslims.

The intolerance of other believes is the true face of hinduism.
Muslims also suffer.

What we tolerate in others is the free will that is given them by God and we are hardly ever called to kill people for their alternate views

And how about Christian Inquisition ? How about Christian crusades? And yes Christian Terrorist organizations exist in India .

National Liberation Front of Tripura - Wikipedia
National Socialist Council of Nagaland - Wikipedia

So its not always one way . I however dont divide extremism in category of good and bad . But you most also try to peep in your own ...
 
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if Hindus are discriminating or attacking Christians i would guess it has something to do with Hindus being a prisoner in their own country since the 18th century.
i would be interested in comparing the fatalities between Christian and Hindu for the last 100 years. i would be willing to bet the Hindu deaths out number Christian ten to one.
 
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So you think it might be the churches success in India that is provoking the Hindu reaction?
Missionaries often use devious tactics to decieve innocent villagers in order to convert them. Apostle Paul admits during his ministry, preaching his Paulinism (Christianity of today), he falsely acted in order to draw people to his faith. In the following passage he openly confesses that he used deception for conversion.

“Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.” – 1 Corinthians 9:19-23
 
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And how about Christian Inquisition ? How about Christian crusades? And yes Christian Terrorist organizations exist in India .

National Liberation Front of Tripura - Wikipedia
National Socialist Council of Nagaland - Wikipedia

So its not always one way . I however dont divide extremism in category of good and bad . But you most also try to peep in your own ...

The inquisition was wrong yes.
The crusades were a defencive military action by Christian states, reacting to Islamic aggression.

There may well be organisation that claim to be Christian and who use terror.

I throw back at you the question. Why do they think that they have to resort to violence?
that they do is wrong.
 
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I throw back at you the question. Why do they think that they have to resort to violence?
that they do is wrong

1)Preservation of culture.

2)Anti state activities carried out by foreign NGO's.

3)The All India Christian Association assured unconditional full cooperation to the founder of Pakistan.

4)Crazy remarks like T. John, the Karnataka civil aviation minister and a member of the Orthodox church, described the Gujarat earthquake, which resulted in death of over 20,000 people, as “the punishment of God to the people for ill-treating Christians and minorities in the state.

5)In 2014, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) — India’s premier internal security agency — submitted a report to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, identifying several foreign-funded NGOs that are “negatively impacting economic development”. The IB report neatly ties in with former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s claims that NGOs funded by the Americans were leading the protests against the Russian-built nuclear reactors in Kudankulam.
The NGOs that were at the centre of the mass protests were associated with Bishop Yvon Ambroise, the Tuticorin church leader, who had been active in the vicious campaign against the power plant.

6)Christianisation – like Islamisation – equals denationalisation. Western missionaries who were rampaging through China in the 1940s were fond of the line, “One more Christian, one less Chinese.”

7)Breaking India - There is a vicious attempt to delegitimise Hinduism as India’s native religion, and to mobilise the weaker sections of Hindu society against it with “blood and soil” slogans.Christian involvement in the so-called Dalit (“oppressed”) and Adivasi (“aboriginal”) movements is an attempt to channel the nativist revival and perversely direct it against native society itself. It advertises its services as the guardian of the interests of the “true natives” (meaning the Scheduled Castes and Tribes) against native society, while labelling the upper castes as "invaders”, on the basis of an outdated theory postulating an immigration in 1500 BC.

The point is not the betrayal by newly converted Indian Christians. To be sure, they had – albeit naively – asked the European priest to keep the secret to himself. The point is that this is exactly how Indian Christians can be used by their western masters. For instance, pressure can be applied on the family of a seemingly loyal Indian Christian who is, say, a rocket scientist at the Indian Space Research Organisation.

Pressure can come in a variety of ways but the most likely approach a western intelligence agency would take is to first approach the Christian scientist’s parish priest via the local bishop, who may be approached through someone in the Vatican.

Parish pressure is no joke. Hindus, who do not formally congregate under a priest, cannot understand how closely integrated the church is with the families of local Christians in a particular area or parish.

The family can be threatened with pariah status. For instance, many Kerala Christians who joined the Communist Party of India were denied burial services by the church upon their deaths. Although I hate commies.
 
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The point is not the betrayal by newly converted Indian Christians. To be sure, they had – albeit naively – asked the European priest to keep the secret to himself. The point is that this is exactly how Indian Christians can be used by their western masters

Are we talking about India or about China or an Islamic state?

This sentiment is frequently made by those who do not want Christians in there society.
It is used to excuse violating the legal rights of Christians.

I don't doubt that some church organisations are over controlling, or that colonial ideas have been expressed insensitive and patronising views.

May I suggest that you investigate what happens to Christians in India.
 
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Are we talking about India or about China or an Islamic state?

The reference I made to china was necessary to let you know how missionaries NGO work.

This sentiment is frequently made by those who do not want Christians in there society.
It is used to excuse violating the legal rights of Christians.

Nation First Policy is best. Christianity is not above the Constitution.

I don't doubt that some church organisations are over controlling, or that colonial ideas have been expressed insensitive and patronising views.

Lol so you imply that Investigation Bureau is lying ?

May I suggest that you investigate what happens to Christians in India.
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They look happy
 
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Nation First Policy is best. Christianity is not above the Constitution.

Christians do not want to be above the constition, as it guarantees freedom of religion .

I am always suspicious of claims that national policices or patriotism supercides peoples right to belief.
Lol so you imply that Investigation Bureau is lying ?

If they are saying that All Christians are working as agents of foriegn organisations or governments then yes.
Even if they are talking about international church organisations, those organisations are about spreading Christianity not building a western empire.

They look happy

Shows how little you know about the actions of radicle hindus and their treatment of Christians.
 
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I don't blame Hindus for wanting to preserve their country's unique Hindu character anymore than I blame western Christians for wanting more Christians to recapture the western the Spirit. Persecution can be expected with the promulgation of the Gospel and India can only benefit from Christianisation even if it violently resists it. Christianity is not tolerant of Hinduism any more than Hinduism is tolerant of it.

God bless those who are suffering for Christ in the face of such persecution.
 
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