The great tribulation of the 6th seal

[Jeffrey Bowden]

For the great Day of His wrath has come and who can stand? Revelation 6:17

You directly contradict scripture.
This is your usual way, make scripture fit your false beliefs.

The Sixth Seal is the next Prophesied event we can expect. It will change the world and commence all that must happen before Jesus Returns.

The next prophecy to be be fulfilled is Acts 1:11. Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only. He will next return descending into the view of believers, only. That means no unbelievers will be able to see Jesus in His descent into the view of believers, only. That descent occurs after we are raptured into clouds, into the air of Heaven, in 1 Th 4:17. The 6th seal is therefore NOT the next prophesied event.

What wrath befalls those unbelievers in the 6th seal? That is about as valid as the alleged sighting of Jesus in Rev 6:16. That claim is from an unbeliever and so is verse 17. You are believing purposeful lies put in the Bible to see if you are discerning enough to recognize the source of those two claims. Verse 16 is a lie by an unbeliever, and so is verse 17.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

For the great Day of His wrath has come and who can stand? Revelation 6:17

You directly contradict scripture.
This is your usual way, make scripture fit your false beliefs.

The Sixth Seal is the next Prophesied event we can expect. It will change the world and commence all that must happen before Jesus Returns.

Keras, the “disasters” occur in the 6th seal in Rev 6:12-14. After the unbeliever’s claim in verse 17, there are no more “disasters.”

Was the unbeliever telling the truth?

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

On the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, ...many will be slain by Him. Isaiah 66:14-17 corpses will lay unburied from one end of the earth to the other. Jeramiah 25:33, I shall destroy both the wicked and righteous from the Negev, Northward. Ezekiel 21:1-7

Youi constantly show how little of the Prophetic Word, you know or understand.

You pick and choose verses that are ALWAYS out of context. “Fiery trial” comes from 1 Peter 4:12. Look at its CONTEXT. It’s about the daily trials and travail of being Christians. Try reading the context from verses 12-17. They have nothing to do with anything in the Trib

 

[keras]

You pick and choose verses that are ALWAYS out of context. “Fiery trial” comes from 1 Peter 4:12. Look at its CONTEXT. It’s about the daily trials and travail of being Christians. Try reading the context from verses 12-17. They have nothing to do with anything in the Trib

Of course; the idea we must face trials and testing, doesn't suit your escapist mentality.
It is quite unreasonable to think we can get away from the Lords testing of our faith. Only those who have died before then will not have to experience it. But those alive in the end times must prove their faith, which many will do by being martyred. Rev 20:4

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 The work that each person does will, at the last be brought to light; the Day of judgement will expose it. For that Day dawns in fire and the fire will test the worth of each persons work. If anyone’s legacy survives, they will be rewarded, if the fire destroys it, they will have to bear the loss – yet they will escape with their life, though only by passing through the fire.

Psalm 62:11-12 Two things God has spoken that I have learned: All power belongs to God and unfailing love is His, because You reward everyone according to what they have done.

James 1:12 Happy is the person who stands firm in time of trial. If you pass safely through the time of testing, you will receive as your reward the life which God has promised to those who love Him.
Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Of course; the idea we must face trials and testing, doesn't suit your escapist mentality.
It is quite unreasonable to think we can get away from the Lords testing of our faith. Only those who have died before then will not have to experience it. But those alive in the end times must prove their faith, which many will do by being martyred. Rev 20:4

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 The work that each person does will, at the last be brought to light; the Day of judgement will expose it. For that Day dawns in fire and the fire will test the worth of each persons work. If anyone’s legacy survives, they will be rewarded, if the fire destroys it, they will have to bear the loss – yet they will escape with their life, though only by passing through the fire.

Psalm 62:11-12 Two things God has spoken that I have learned: All power belongs to God and unfailing love is His, because You reward everyone according to what they have done.

James 1:12 Happy is the person who stands firm in time of trial. If you pass safely through the time of testing, you will receive as your reward the life which God has promised to those who love Him.
Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

Your verses above relate to the Judgement Seat of Christ. You have no verses that support your “fiery trial” occurring in the Trib.

Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

In Rev 3:10, Jesus promised to keep believers from the Trib. Jesus confirmed His promise by adding that only “those who dwell on the earth” will be tried in the hour of trial by 21 judgments of God’s wrath (seven seals, seven trumpets and seven bowls).

Rev 6:10 and Rev 11:10 prove that, in the context of the Trib, “those who dwell on the earth” are the unbelievers who will be left behind after the pre-Trib rapture.

Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled. Rev 4:1-2 prove that John, while on Patmos, was watching the supernatural scene shown to him by one angel, to write Rev 4.

 

[keras]

Your verses above relate to the Judgement Seat of Christ.

Matthew 25:31-33 bears no relation to the verses I presented above.
Your entire paradigm is false and the misinterpretation of many Prophesies, made to suit the wrong, Satanic rapture theory, is a crime.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Matthew 25:31-33 bears no relation to the verses I presented above.
Your entire paradigm is false and the misinterpretation of many Prophesies, made to suit the wrong, Satanic rapture theory, is a crime.

Matt 25:31-33 are about the judgments that occur after Armageddon. The folks judged are “the elect” (Matt 24:31) and unbelievers who survive the Trib.

Rev 3:10 occurs before the Trib, driven by Rev 4:1. Are Jesus’ words about keeping “you” (believers) from the Trib and only trying “those who dwell on the earth” (unbelievers) what you mean by “Satanic rapture theory?”

 

[keras]

Matt 25:31-33 are about the judgments that occur after Armageddon. The folks judged are “the elect” (Matt 24:31) and unbelievers who survive the Trib.

Rev 3:10 occurs before the Trib, driven by Rev 4:1. Are Jesus’ words about keeping “you” (believers) from the Trib and only trying “those who dwell on the earth” (unbelievers) what you mean by “Satanic rapture theory?”

Those who believe these speculations, are shockingly bad promoters of false theories and wrong doctrines. Judgment awaits them, with unsleeping eyes. 2 Peter 2:3b

As a 'rapture to heaven' is never said to happen in the Bible. that idea comes from Satan. Jesus said that many would be deceived. He was right!

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Those who believe these speculations, are shockingly bad promoters of false theories and wrong doctrines. Judgment awaits them, with unsleeping eyes. 2 Peter 2:3b

As a 'rapture to heaven' is never said to happen in the Bible. that idea comes from Satan. Jesus said that many would be deceived. He was right!

Here is the last sentence of Rev 20:4 and the first sentence of Rev 20:5 (ESV):

They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

“They came to life” are the martyrs that become the GM.

“The rest of the dead” are unbelievers who died in sin. They will will not “come to life until the thousand years were ended.” Only they are judged at the GWTJ. “All” regarding who’s judged at the GWTJ are unbelievers who died in sin.

Who’s judged in Matt 25:33 are “the elect” in Matt 24:31 and the unbelievers who survive the Trib. If you say the GWTJ, it is you who’s wrong. Only those who die in sin are judged at the GWTJ.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Those who believe these speculations, are shockingly bad promoters of false theories and wrong doctrines. Judgment awaits them, with unsleeping eyes. 2 Peter 2:3b

As a 'rapture to heaven' is never said to happen in the Bible. that idea comes from Satan. Jesus said that many would be deceived. He was right!

Rev 4:1 is unfulfilled, making it the pre-Trib rapture of the Church.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Those who believe these speculations, are shockingly bad promoters of false theories and wrong doctrines. Judgment awaits them, with unsleeping eyes. 2 Peter 2:3b

As a 'rapture to heaven' is never said to happen in the Bible. that idea comes from Satan. Jesus said that many would be deceived. He was right!

Rev 4:1 is in the Bible. Rev 4:1 is a rapture that goes straight to Heaven. Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled, therefore it’s for the Church..

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Rev 4:1 is in the Bible. Rev 4:1 is a rapture that goes straight to Heaven. Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled, therefore it’s for the Church..

You’re optimistic now then you’re later very critical. Pick one to stick with, please.

 

[keras]

You’re optimistic now then you’re later very critical. Pick one to stick with, please.

The 'Optimistic' emoji is for your impossible assertions.
People going 'straight to heaven', as you fondly imagine; is totally contrary to what the Bible says.
It is our human lot to die, with Judgment to follow, Hebrews 9:27

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

The 'Optimistic' emoji is for your impossible assertions.
People going 'straight to heaven', as you fondly imagine; is totally contrary to what the Bible says.
It is our human lot to die, with Judgment to follow, Hebrews 9:27

Matt 16:28 (ESV): Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

We return with Jesus in the 2A, in Rev 19:14.

 

[keras]

We return with Jesus in the 2A, in Rev 19:14.

Jesus will Return accompanied by the angel armies. Rev 19:14. There is no mention of humans too.
You first have to go to heaven and I have seen no scripture that says any human goes to heaven. Many scriptures say we must endure until the end.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Jesus will Return accompanied by the angel armies. Rev 19:14. There is no mention of humans too.
You first have to go to heaven and I have seen no scripture that says any human goes to heaven. Many scriptures say we must endure until the end.

Matt 24:13 (ESV): But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

That’s about the elect.

In Rev 7:9 (ESV): … clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

The GM is in Heaven in verse 9. They, as we, will be wearing white robes while riding white horses as Jesus returns for Armageddon, then the judgments of the sheep and goats, then the MK.

 

[keras]

In Rev 7:9 (ESV): … clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

The GM is in Heaven in verse 9. They, as we, will be wearing white robes while riding white horses as Jesus returns for Armageddon, then the judgments of the sheep and goats, then the MK.

Revelation 7 is a chapter entirely about events on earth. The first three verses set the scene and it never changes.

The Great Multitude are the Christian peoples in the Holy Land, They praise Jesus as He stands on Mt Zion. Rev 14:1

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Revelation 7 is a chapter entirely about events on earth. The first three verses set the scene and it never changes.

The Great Multitude are the Christian peoples in the Holy Land, They praise Jesus as He stands on Mt Zion. Rev 14:1

Keras, I will not let you get by with the stuff you make up.

Here’s Rev 7:9-12 (ESV): After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

The GM are “standing before the throne and before the Lamb.”

Also, “the elders and the four living creatures … fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God.”

Sorry, Keras. The verses above thoroughly describe scenes in Heaven.

Also, the GM is made up of martyrs in the Trib. They are the souls under the altar in Rev 6:9 and Rev 20:4. They are resurrected together in the last sentence of Rev 20:4. They are next seen in Heaven, in Rev 7:9-17.

 

[keras]

Keras, I will not let you get by with the stuff you make up.

I made up nothing.
It is you who has crazy beliefs, like being raptured to heaven, something that Jesus Himself said was impossible.
You cannot say Gods Throne has to be in heaven. God and heaven are Spiritual entities and can be anywhere. Ezekiel and Stephen saw them while they were on earth.

Also, the GM is made up of martyrs in the Trib. They are the souls under the altar in Rev 6:9 and Rev 20:4. They are resurrected together in the last sentence of Rev 20:4. They are next seen in Heaven, in Rev 7:9-17.

A load of pretentious rubbish.
The GM are neither dead or in heaven. Rev 7, never says they are.

You are guilty of making many scriptures mean what they simply do not mean. The end times and the Judgment will not go well for you.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

I made up nothing.
It is you who has crazy beliefs, like being raptured to heaven, something that Jesus Himself said was impossible.
You cannot say Gods Throne has to be in heaven. God and heaven are Spiritual entities and can be anywhere. Ezekiel and Stephen saw them while they were on earth.

A load of pretentious rubbish.
The GM are neither dead or in heaven. Rev 7, never says they are.

You are guilty of making many scriptures mean what they simply do not mean. The end times and the Judgment will not go well for you.

When you read of the

I made up nothing.
It is you who has crazy beliefs, like being raptured to heaven, something that Jesus Himself said was impossible.
You cannot say Gods Throne has to be in heaven. God and heaven are Spiritual entities and can be anywhere. Ezekiel and Stephen saw them while they were on earth.

A load of pretentious rubbish.
The GM are neither dead or in heaven. Rev 7, never says they are.

You are guilty of making many scriptures mean what they simply do not mean. The end times and the Judgment will not go well for you.

Here’s Rev 7:12 (ESV): And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,

ALL of the angels, the elders and the four living creatures fell on their faces before the throne of God. There is one context where all of these appear together: before the throne of God in Heaven.