The Great Evil of Abortion

[Jon Osterman]

Edited: Nevermind. I should try not to lose my temper.

 

[SPF]

“You are all making a moral judgement that the well being of a single celled zygote is more important than the health and happiness of an adult woman.”

I can only speak for myself, but anyone who has actually read what I’ve written would see that my argument is that all human beings possess equal inherent moral worth and value.

It’s because of this very fact that Biblically all humans possess inherent moral worth and value, and scientifically that a new human comes into existence at fertilization that we can quite easily say that at the very least 98.5% of abortions which are done for convenience reasons is immoral.

There is nothing in Scripture that I know of which teaches that some human beings have a soul and some human beings don’t have a soul. Human development takes roughly 25 years, and at no point in that development is the human being not a human being.

 

[HypnoToad]

“You are all making a moral judgement that the well being of a single celled zygote is more important than the health and happiness of an adult woman.”

Not really.

The argument we make is that the importance of the unborn human being is EQUAL TO the importance of the adult human being.

 

[Zoii]

“You are all making a moral judgement that the well being of a single celled zygote is more important than the health and happiness of an adult woman.”

I can only speak for myself, but anyone who has actually read what I’ve written would see that my argument is that all human beings possess equal inherent moral worth and value.

It’s because of this very fact that Biblically all humans possess inherent moral worth and value, and scientifically that a new human comes into existence at fertilization that we can quite easily say that at the very least 98.5% of abortions which are done for convenience reasons is immoral.

There is nothing in Scripture that I know of which teaches that some human beings have a soul and some human beings don’t have a soul. Human development takes roughly 25 years, and at no point in that development is the human being not a human being.

I agree that the health of the mother takes precedence, and that in any case abortion is commissioned by God in several places throughout the Bible yet there is no verse citing that God forbids abortion.. though logically you'd accept it would be. Imo abortion is acceptable when it endangered the life of the mother.

 

[SkyWriting]

“You are all making a moral judgement that the well being of a single celled zygote is more important than the health and happiness of an adult woman.”

I can only speak for myself, but anyone who has actually read what I’ve written would see that my argument is that all human beings possess equal inherent moral worth and value.

It’s because of this very fact that Biblically all humans possess inherent moral worth and value, and scientifically that a new human comes into existence at fertilization that we can quite easily say that at the very least 98.5% of abortions which are done for convenience reasons is immoral.

There is nothing in Scripture that I know of which teaches that some human beings have a soul and some human beings don’t have a soul. Human development takes roughly 25 years, and at no point in that development is the human being not a human being.

So then you blame God for terminating the 70% of fertalized eggs that do not result in a successful birth?

If God lets them die, how is that equal?

 

[HypnoToad]

yet there is no verse citing that God forbids abortion..

Well, there is that minor "you shall not murder" part. But yeah, other than that, nothing.

 

[SPF]

So then you blame God for terminating the 70% of fertalized eggs that do not result in a successful birth?

If God lets them die, how is that equal?

Not at all, I blame us for bringing sin into the world. Terrible and tragic things happen every day because of the fall. What I do is praise God for providing a way back to Him.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not at all, I blame us for bringing sin into the world. Terrible and tragic things happen every day because of the fall. What I do is praise God for providing a way back to Him.

Ok, so if so many zygotes bite the dust, why are we blaming woman and insisting they nurse these unwanted babies for the next 20 years? Especially if Pro-Life enthusiasts stand with their hands clasped behind their backs not helping, but still wagging their index fingers? I don't mind the charge of murder, as long as they are not complicit in the horror by not adopting every available fetus. Do I need to post pictures of what happens to unadopted fetuses?

 

[HypnoToad]

Ok, so if so many zygotes bite the dust, why are we blaming woman and insisting they nurse these unwanted babies for the next 20 years?

Maybe you can show how God's authority over life gives people that same authority?

 

[SPF]

Ok, so if so many zygotes bite the dust, why are we blaming woman and insisting they nurse these unwanted babies for the next 20 years? Especially if Pro-Life enthusiasts stand with their hands clasped behind their backs not helping, but still wagging their index fingers? I don't mind the charge of murder, as long as they are not complicit in the horror by not adopting every available fetus. Do I need to post pictures of what happens to unadopted fetuses?

Because all humans are created in the image of God, possess inherent moral worth and value; and God has not given us authority to kill His creation because it’s more convenient for our lifestyle.

 

[Zoii]

Well, there is that minor "you shall not murder" part. But yeah, other than that, nothing.

Yes that's the only part I can find in the bible as well that opposes any abortion. The trouble is that its extremely hard reconciling that commandment against Hosea 11-16; Numbers 31:17; Hosea 13:16; Judges 11:30-40 and 1 Samuel 15. All these describe God commanding or sanctioning abortion.

I know others here have stated that well; that's God's prerogative not ours but it is very difficult for me and Im sure others to reconcile such contrasting commands of God.

That's why I have chosen an eclectic view that abortion shouldn't be a mere form of contraceptive; but I support its use where the mother is at risk of harm.

 

[Eloy Craft]

God was at one time a single celled zygote. I think we can say that's in the bible.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I believe that anyone involved in abortion or supports it should have their church membership cancelled and be put out of fellowship until they repent and adopt a stance which is consistent with the Ten Commandments. The Scripture says that anyone calling themselves a Christian who is not living according to what they should as Christians, and I am not speaking of our usual weaknesses and shortcomings, but are living in deliberate unconfessed sin, should be separated from all Christian fellowship, and Christians should not even eat with such people. We need to put the evil thing away from us, otherwise it will be like a little leaven, before long the rot will undermine the whole Christian faith in our generation.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes that's the only part I can find in the bible as well that opposes any abortion. The trouble is that its extremely hard reconciling that commandment against Hosea 11-16; Numbers 31:17; Hosea 13:16; Judges 11:30-40 and 1 Samuel 15. All these describe God commanding or sanctioning abortion.

I know others here have stated that well; that's God's prerogative not ours but it is very difficult for me and Im sure others to reconcile such contrasting commands of God.

That's why I have chosen an eclectic view that abortion shouldn't be a mere form of contraceptive; but I support its use where the mother is at risk of harm.

Abortion is the murder of unborn babies, and no murderer will inherit the kingdom of God unless he or she repents, receives Christ and turns from that rebellion against the law of God.

 

[Zoii]

Abortion is the murder of unborn babies, and no murderer will inherit the kingdom of God unless he or she repents, receives Christ and turns from that rebellion against the law of God.

You seemed to have bypassed the points I made

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You seemed to have bypassed the points I made

I just went to the bottom line. The law of Moses concerning murder has never been abolished. For the Christian it is there to show us our sin and condemnation outside of Christ.

 

[Zoii]

I just went to the bottom line. The law of Moses concerning murder has never been abolished. For the Christian it is there to show us our sin and condemnation outside of Christ.

Gee you get a lot of christians who support war. They soften that commandment by arguing self-defence or God has the right/power to command death. I'm not the only one that gets perplexed by those contrasts

 

[kiwimac]

A zef is simply not as important as the woman carrying it.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Gee you get a lot of christians who support war. They soften that commandment by arguing self-defence or God has the right/power to command death. I'm not the only one that gets perplexed by those contrasts

We are not talking about war. We are discussing the deliberate murder of unborn babies and the starving to death of new born babies who are unwanted for whatever reason by their parents or deemed unfit to live by the medical profession. You cannot tell me that God won't judge those murderers very severely one day.

 

[kiwimac]

I just went to the bottom line. The law of Moses concerning murder has never been abolished. For the Christian it is there to show us our sin and condemnation outside of Christ.

An abortion is not murder.