The great commission is false

[anti-conformist]

What about the Great Commandments, "Love one another as I have loved you."

Just for the 11?

no, this is for everyone.

Evangelism message is for everyone too, just the modern framing of it is incorrect.

 

[Albion]

But to answer your question more precisely. If you have the access to know Jesus, then yes you are required to know him in order to be saved. if you have no access to know him, God will work it out according to his will. Some will be saved and some wont

...and in order to know this...

It's sufficient just to look at the beauties of nature

or

don't do anything and God will make it come to you in a moment of realization?

 

[Love First]

No we shouldnt throw them away, we should WANT to participate, but we arent obligated to do so. we should WANT to do what is pleasing to God. This is how we store up treasures in heaven.

So you’re saying that we aren’t “obligated” to be a part of the bride of Christ in order to make heaven?

 

[Love First]

I understand what you are asking now. Sorry, i was confused. when Jesus tells this parable he is talking about the individual and their spirit inside them. The "fruit" he is referring to, is the spiritual fruit inside each of us. It isnt "converts". Jesus is saying the more you invest in your relationship with him the more spiritual fruits will grow inside of you.

Spiritual fruit yes is a part of it. But what Jesus is showing is that when the seed falls on good soil you do good works for the kingdom which includes but is not limited to evangelism.

 

[anti-conformist]

...and in order to know this...

It's sufficient just to look at the beauties of nature

or

don't do anything and God will make it come to you in a moment of realization?

I know what is required of me, which is to know Jesus and invest in my relationship with Jesus. this is the requirement for most people on earth in the current time. However God doesnt exclude those who do not have access to this knowledge, and this is the point Paul is making in Romans. How this epiphany occurs would be speculation. it might be dreams, or signs and wonders, who knows, but God will work that out and i dont have to worry about it.

 

[Love First]

I know what is required of me, which is to know Jesus and invest in my relationship with Jesus. this is the requirement for most people on earth in the current time. However God doesnt exclude those who do not have access to this knowledge, and this is the point Paul is making in Romans. How this epiphany occurs would be speculation. it might be dreams, or signs and wonders, who knows, but God will work that out and i dont have to worry about it.

Do you understand what the New Covenant is?

 

[anti-conformist]

Spiritual fruit yes is a part of it. But what Jesus is showing is that when the seed falls on good soil you do good works for the kingdom which includes but is not limited to evangelism.

no, evangelism isnt required. you misunderstand the meaning of "work" which James clarifies for us. He give two examples of a "work". One is to help others if you have the ability. which is what you have traditionally known as a "work". the other example he gives us is abraham and issac. James was telling us that we sometimes need to demonstrate our trust in God and we will do this by displaying this through something he asks us to do. But the term "work" in the greek carries the meaning of displaying ones faith. NOT a task.

However this task is just between you and God, as in the case of Abraham and Issac

 

[Love First]

no, evangelism isnt required. you misunderstand the meaning of "work" which James clarifies for us. He give two examples of a "work". One is to help others if you have the ability. which is what you have traditionally known as a "work". the other example he gives us is abraham and issac. James was telling us that we sometimes need to demonstrate our trust in God and we will do this by displaying this through something he asks us to do. But the term "work" in the greek carries the meaning of displaying ones faith. NOT a task.

However this task is just between you and God, as in the case of Abraham and Issac

 

[anti-conformist]

Do you understand what the New Covenant is?

yes

 

[Love First]

yes

Ok please explain it to me then.

 

[anti-conformist]

the problem with an evangelism focused mindset is that it is satanic. it puts man as the savior, not Jesus. If you honestly think that God needs us to accomplish his goals, this is directly from the enemy. It should concern you. You should stop thinking this way.

 

[anti-conformist]

Ok please explain it to me then.

there was technically never a "new covenant" there is only a "covenant" but in order to understand what i am talking about you first need to understand this verse...

"I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

 

[Love First]

the problem with an evangelism focused mindset is that it is satanic. it puts man as the savior, not Jesus. If you honestly think that God needs us to accomplish his goals, this is directly from the enemy. It should concern you. You should stop thinking this way.

So are you saying that the Apostle Paul was Satanic?

 

[Love First]

there was technically never a "new covenant" there is only a "covenant" but in order to understand what i am talking about you first need to understand this verse...

"I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

Oh really?

Why do we have a New Testament in our bibles then?

 

[anti-conformist]

So are you saying that the Apostle Paul was Satanic?

you keep confusing obligation with desire. Paul makes it CLEAR it was his desire, not an obligation.

 

[anti-conformist]

Oh really?

Why do we have a New Testament in our bibles then?

because some people need further clarification. However the old testament contains everything you would ever need to know.

 

[Love First]

you keep confusing obligation with desire. Paul makes it CLEAR it was his desire, not an obligation.

Strong's Greek: 1401. δοῦλος (doulos) -- a slave

 

[Love First]

because some people need further clarification. However the old testament contains everything you would ever need to know.

Can you please explain this verse to me?

Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[anti-conformist]

Strong's Greek: 1401. δοῦλος (doulos) -- a slave

a willful slave

 

[Love First]

a willful slave

A slave nonetheless.