The Globe

[Apple Sky]

That's just not true. For example, it is perfectly possible to understand the cause of thunder at lightning without knowing the reason they exist.

It's nice to know why & what for, wouldn't you agree ?

 

[Phil G]

This doesn't cause gravity.
It is the density of an object that causes it to fall, you only have to look at balloon to know this.

Density is a factor, but only in that it can make gravity stronger. But it is mass which is the overwhelming factor.

Having said that, density and mass are related in that an object which has more density will also have more mass.

 

[Phil G]

It's nice to know why & what for, wouldn't you agree ?

Which is what physics is for

 

[David Lamb]

It's nice to know why & what for, wouldn't you agree ?

Yes it is nice to know, but in your earlier post you wrote, "To find the cause one has too look at the reason for it." (My emphasis).

 

[Jerry N.]

Density is a factor, but only in that it can make gravity stronger. But it is mass which is the overwhelming factor.

Having said that, density and mass are related in that an object which has more density will also have more mass.

Density only matters in a fluid like water or air. In a vacuum, density does not matter only mass.

 

[Phil G]

Density only matters in a fluid like water or air. In a vacuum, density does not matter only mass.

Yes, I remember the experiment of the feather and hammer on the moon.

 

[d taylor]

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So where is under the earth on a globe earth

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
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Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Yttrium]

So where is under the earth on a globe earth​

Magma.

 

[Apple Sky]

Magma.

They'd have a hard job on their hands

 

[d taylor]

Magma.

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But the verses state under the earth, not under the surface of the earth.

 

[Jerry N.]

There are millions of things under the earth living and dead, and some of them have been worshiped. For example, gold, dead people, dragons, fish, moles, etc. It definitely means under the surface of the earth even for Egyptians, Babylonians, Canaanites, and backsliding Hebrews for both flat earth and spherical earth. People still worship some of these things today.

 

[Apple Sky]

There are millions of things under the earth living and dead

There is, & one main place is 'Sheol' where Jesus during his three days spent releasing the souls form Abraham's bosom into paradise.

During the three days between his death and resurrection, Jesus descended to Sheol (the Hebrew term for the realm of the dead), which the New Testament calls Hades, a temporary abode for the departed, specifically entering its righteous section, often called Paradise or Abraham's Bosom, to declare victory over death and free the Old Testament saints, fulfilling prophecy and taking the keys to death and Hades, not to suffer, but to triumph and release captives, as described in traditions like the Harrowing of Hellhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell.

 

[Jerry N.]

There is, & one main place is 'Sheol' where Jesus during his three days spent releasing the souls form Abraham's bosom into paradise.

During the three days between his death and resurrection, Jesus descended to Sheol (the Hebrew term for the realm of the dead), which the New Testament calls Hades, a temporary abode for the departed, specifically entering its righteous section, often called Paradise or Abraham's Bosom, to declare victory over death and free the Old Testament saints, fulfilling prophecy and taking the keys to death and Hades, not to suffer, but to triumph and release captives, as described in traditions like the Harrowing of Hellhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell.

I finally agree with you, but what does it have to do with flat earth vs. spherical earth?

 

[HantsUK]

From my understanding, Einstein's gravity describes the Earth's surface as accelerating upward while an object falls.
This is as much that I know about this.

But what is gravity ?

But you reject this out of hand as you claim that the earth is stationary. If it is stationary, then it cannot be accelerating.

I looked it up and actually... Universal Acceleration/Constant Upward Thrust:The Earth (the flat disk) is perpetually accelerating upwards at the same rate we experience gravity (9.8 m/s²), pushing everything down onto its surface... is a flat earth explanation for gravity.

But I also see that that's just one of several explanations.

The problem is - this deosn't work.

1) A stationary earth cannot be accelerating. So, like many Flat Earth explainations, it contradicts other FE claims.

2) If the earth is moving, this would remove one of the main reasons for thinking that the earth was flat (it looks and feels flat and stationary).

3) Perpetual accleration, starting from stationary 6000 years ago (Young Earth age) would mean that the earth is now travelling at approximately 1.9×10E15 m/s (or 4.1×10E15 mph) which is many orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light.

Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity would limit the speed to slightly less than the spped of light. But I fail to see how any Flat Earther could accept Einstein's theory while rejecting the far simpler theories of Newton.

4) Acceleration requires a force. But FE offer no explaination for this force. What causes the acceleration?

Getting back to 'what is gravity'?

Gravity can be the name we give to 'whatever it is' that results in things falling to the ground.

Then in physics people have come up with explainations for gravity (in science, explainations are called theories. A theory is not merely an idea, but the best explaination so far, and is supported by real world observations and testing / experiements).

Newton explained gravity as an attractive force between two objects with mass. This is an extremely weak force.

Einstein came up with an explaination that almost no one actually understands (requires advanced maths and concepts).

Newton's theory is accurate enough for most everyday calcualtions.

 

[Apple Sky]

I finally agree with you, but what does it have to do with flat earth vs. spherical earth?

How can there be a place underground like Sheol on a sphere ?

 

[Apple Sky]

But you reject this out of hand as you claim that the earth is stationary. If it is stationary, then it cannot be accelerating.

I know, I really didn't understand what Servus was going on about

 

[Jerry N.]

How can there be a place underground like Sheol on a sphere ?

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The radius of the earth is 6,378 km, so no problem. You should read the account of the Russians drilling a very deep hole and hearing the cries of hell. I don’t believe it, but it is interesting.

 

[prodromos]

How can there be a place underground like Sheol on a sphere ?

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Because it is a spiritual place, not a physical place.

 

[Phil G]

You should read the account of the Russians drilling a very deep hole and hearing the cries of hell. I don’t believe it, but it is interesting.

I think that one was proven to be fake. I remember something about some sound analysis done which showed it to be a recording from a horror movie or such.

 

[Jerry N.]

Because it is a spiritual place, not a physical place.

You are probably right, but it could be both.