The Global Flood

[LittleNipper]

And before that, they were shallow oceans?

Ooh, I'd love to see either the Biblical or scientific evidence for such an assertion.

Here is a good one....
Psalms 104:5-9

HE hath founded the earth upon her bases, that it should not be removed forever.
THOU coveredst it with the deep as a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.
At THY rebuke they fled; at the voice of THY thunder they hasted away.
The mountains ascend, the valleys decend unto the place THOU hast founded for them.
THOU hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

 

[RealityCheck]

Here is a good one....
Psalms 104:5-9

HE hath founded the earth upon her bases, that it should not be removed forever.
THOU coveredst it with the deep as a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.
At THY rebuke they fled; at the voice of THY thunder they hasted away.
The mountains ascend, the valleys decend unto the place THOU hast founded for them.
THOU hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

Believe in a flat earth?

Because that's explicitly what these verses promote - a flat earth that rests upon a base or foundation that "cannot be removed" - that is, a flat earth that does not move.

 

[JohnR7]

Your question, of course, assumes that the Biblical account of the flood actually happened exactly as written.

It did happen exactly as written. God is able to do that. HE can take real life situations and use them to teach us a lesson today. But just becasue it is a allegory for us today, does not mean that the flood did not really happen back in Noah's day.

 

[JohnR7]

Believe in a flat earth?

No one ever believed the earth was flat. Even though to this very day they represent the earth on a flat peice of paper with four corners on it. You will notice that this map is from 160 ad. So it is clear that no one ever thought the world was flat.

 

[Jase]

No one has a clue what the preDeluge earth was like as per its interior.

Yes actually we do. Unless you're claiming the Earth had no electromagnetic field and no plate tectonics.

The FLOOD was obviously a result of sin that corrupted the entire Universe.

Sin is a transgression against divine law - not some physical, tangible thing like a virus.

Did you know that Adam nearly lived until the time of the FLOOD?

Well the story says that yes.

Is the lithosphere a result of the FLOOD, or could it have developed later and helped to bring forth the FLOOD?

Well, the lithosphere is the oceanic and continental crust, so unless you are proposing the Earth just prior to the flood was nothing but a giant molten plastic lake, yes the Lithosphere existed prior to the Flood.

 

[RealityCheck]

It did happen exactly as written. God is able to do that. HE can take real life situations and use them to teach us a lesson today. But just becasue it is a allegory for us today, does not mean that the flood did not really happen back in Noah's day.

And as always, you don't actually have any evidence that your statement (bolded) is true.

 

[JohnR7]

And as always, you don't actually have any evidence that your statement (bolded) is true.

You are 100% wrong again. I always have evidence. In the case of Noah's flood the evidence is on the National Geographic site. Or you can check out Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History (Paperback)
by William Ryan, Walter Pitman http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

When you first showed up here, you seemed like a nice person.
But then you let the infidels and the scoffers effect your judgement.
You do need to find reality in the real world.

 

[AV1611VET]

Believe in a flat earth?

Because that's explicitly what these verses promote - a flat earth that rests upon a base or foundation that "cannot be removed" - that is, a flat earth that does not move.

[bible]Psalm 104:5-9[/bible]

Reality Check,

Is there a reason you're using Hebrew poetry to make claims against the Bible's veracity? Not even die-hard professional critics of the Bible do that.

 

[Abongil]

No one goes to bed hungry that is trusting in God to provide for them.

Obviously lack of food has nothing to do with it huh?

 

[Nathan Poe]

You are 100% wrong again. I always have evidence. In the case of Noah's flood the evidence is on the National Geographic site. Or you can check out Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History (Paperback)
by William Ryan, Walter Pitman http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

The link in question supports the notion of a local flood -- debunking the myth of a global flood of Noah's proportions.

When you first showed up here, you seemed like a nice person.
But then you let the infidels and the scoffers effect your judgement.
You do need to find reality in the real world.

Well, RealityCheck, you've earned John's disdain; That gets you an invite to my buddy list.

 

[Self Improvement]

You are 100% wrong again. I always have evidence. In the case of Noah's flood the evidence is on the National Geographic site. Or you can check out Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History (Paperback)
by William Ryan, Walter Pitman http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

When you first showed up here, you seemed like a nice person.
But then you let the infidels and the scoffers effect your judgement.
You do need to find reality in the real world.

The book and National Geographic say there was no global flood but rather a local flood.

 

[Nathan Poe]

[bible]Psalm 104:5-9[/bible]

Reality Check,

Is there a reason you're using Hebrew poetry to make claims against the Bible's veracity? Not even die-hard professional critics of the Bible do that.

Hebrew poetry? Are you suggesting that part of the Bible is non-literal?

:faints:

 

[PETE_]

Believe in a flat earth?

Because that's explicitly what these verses promote - a flat earth that rests upon a base or foundation that "cannot be removed" - that is, a flat earth that does not move.

the base of a golfball is not flat

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

the base of a golfball is not flat

I'm not sure where you're going with that, but, so what? It's still a sphere and acts like one. Unless you're Tiger Woods, try to get one to stick on a steeply sloped green.

 

[JohnR7]

The book and National Geographic say there was no global flood but rather a local flood.

Yeah, the evidence points towards Noah's flood in the Bible as being a local flood. At least if your looking at something that took place in a one year period of time.

 

[JohnR7]

Obviously lack of food has nothing to do with it huh?

Lack of food goes hand in hand with those who lack faith. If you have faith then you will have food also.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

The Bible says "all these thing" God says that He will supply ALL of our needs. Not just a few, not just some of them. God will supply ALL of our needs.

We can turn our back on God, but He will never, ever turn His back on us. His promise to us is that He will never leave us or forsake us.

Of course if you have not entered into the promises of God, then you need to learn how to enter in to receive all of what God wants and has for us.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Lack of food goes hand in hand with those who lack faith. If you have faith then you will have food also.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

The Bible says "all these thing" God says that He will supply ALL of our needs. Not just a few, not just some of them. God will supply ALL of our needs.

We can turn our back on God, but He will never, ever turn His back on us. His promise to us is that He will never leave us or forsake us.

Of course if you have not entered into the promises of God, then you need to learn how to enter in to receive all of what God wants and has for us.

Will you please explain why there are starving Christians, who are fervent in their faith and beliefs, all over the world? Not to mention all those without proper clothing, housing, medical care, safety, etc...

 

[RealityCheck]

We can turn our back on God, but He will never, ever turn His back on us. His promise to us is that He will never leave us or forsake us.

Promise Made:
Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."

11 verses later, God already renegs on his promise:
Deuteronomy 31:17
On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, 'Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?'

Broken again:
2 Kings 21:10-14
10 The LORD said through his servants the prophets: 11 "Manasseh king of Judah has committed these detestable sins. He has done more evil than the Amorites who preceded him and has led Judah into sin with his idols. 12 Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: I am going to bring such disaster on Jerusalem and Judah that the ears of everyone who hears of it will tingle. 13 I will stretch out over Jerusalem the measuring line used against Samaria and the plumb line used against the house of Ahab. I will wipe out Jerusalem as one wipes a dish, wiping it and turning it upside down. 14 I will forsake the remnant of my inheritance and hand them over to their enemies. They will be looted and plundered by all their foes


A direct contradiction:
2 Chronicles 15:2
He went out to meet Asa and said to him, "Listen to me, Asa and all Judah and Benjamin. The LORD is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.

And again in the same book:
2 Chronicles 24:20
Then the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah son of Jehoiada the priest. He stood before the people and said, "This is what God says: 'Why do you disobey the LORD's commands? You will not prosper. Because you have forsaken the LORD, he has forsaken you.' "

A famous one:
Psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?

which is later repeated by Jesus on the cross.

 

[Jase]

Yeah, the evidence points towards Noah's flood in the Bible as being a local flood. At least if your looking at something that took place in a one year period of time.

Well, if you notice, the topic is the Global flood as literalists claim to accept. A local flood isn't really an issue since we know they occured. Although, the whole rainbow sign might pose a problem for some.

 

[Jase]

Will you please explain why there are starving Christians, who are fervent in their faith and beliefs, all over the world? Not to mention all those without proper clothing, housing, medical care, safety, etc...

And what about children who don't know what faith is?