The Four Gospels on Sabbath & Resurrection

[amadeois]

@Dale

If you are happy with Sunday, be happy with it.

Yo need to review the following threads:

Christianity Heaven:
"The Arguments for Sunday"

Theology Online:
"The Hoax of the Three Days and The Three Nights"

Christian Forum:
"Three Days and Three Nights"

I hope you see the light.


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[Shimshon]

The Jewish people operated according to a premise we know of as "inclusive counting", which saw day/night as an all-inclusive package (i.e. to refer to one implied inclusion of the other).

"Then he said to them, ‘Depart for three days, then return to me." So the people departed...Then Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day as the king had directed, saying, "Return to me on the third day." 1 Kings 12:5, 12

"‘Go, assemble all the Jews who are found in Susa, and fast for me; do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maidens also will fast in the same way. And thus I will go in to the king, which is not according to the law; and if I perish, I perish.’ So Mordecai went away and did just as Esther had commanded him. Now it came about on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace in front of the king’s rooms, and the king was sitting on his royal throne in the throne room, opposite the entrance to the palace." Esther 4:16-5:1

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Also wasn't there something VERY definite about 72 hours before which a person may not be considered actually 'dead'.... so for instance Yeshua in order to fulfill all Scripture , Torah, Prophecy, and the Plan of Yhwh made clear all through Scripture,
had to remain "in the tomb" 72 hours and no less? (same as Lazarus for Yhwh's Purpose and GlorY) ....

there was no contradiction nor argument to this as far as I know until later changes were made(or attempted, as there were true ekklesia in every century who never were deceived by the ungodly changes) by ungodly men before during and after constantine.

 

[amadeois]

Did Jesus say I'm Lord of Sunday?

Did Jesus say I'm Lord of the first day of the week?

No, He never said that.

What did He say?

I am LORD of the sabbath.

Do you want to believe Jesus or somebody else?

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[Bob S]

The Law of Moses was written on stone and it brought death. But God’s shining-greatness was seen when it was given. When Moses took it to the Jews, they could not look at his face because of the bright light. But that bright light in his face began to pass away. 8 The new way of life through the Holy Spirit comes with much more shining-greatness. 9 If the Law of Moses, that leads to death, came in shining-greatness, how much greater and brighter is the light that makes us right with God? 10 The Law of Moses came with shining-greatness long ago. But that light is no longer bright. The shining-greatness of the New Way of Worship that brings us life is so much brighter. 11 The shining light that came with the Law of Moses soon passed away. But the new way of life is much brighter. It will never pass away. 2Cor3:7

If I am not mistaken the law of Moses contained the 10 commandments and the 10 commandments contained the Sabbath command. The law of Mose has passed away. It is but a shadow of the new way. Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

 

[amadeois]

Where does it says that the Law passes away?

Verses my friend?

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[amadeois]

The Law of Moses? Who gave it to him? God, so it should be call:

God's law. And what did Jesus say about a tilde of the law?

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[amadeois]

Matthew 5:17-19

Jesús words.

Then,

Revelation 21:1

Until the last 2 chapters of God's word.

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[amadeois]

So the Law of God is alive and well until the end of these times.

No law will be needed after this:

ETERNAL LIFE

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[amadeois]

@Shimshon

3 days is understood, could be all inclusive, but Jesus did not want to be inclusive and to follow Jewish tradition.

He was very specific and said:
3 days and 3 nights,
36 hours + 36 hours = 72 hours.

He did not say 3 days.

Do we know how to add or we saying that 36×36 equals 39 hours: today's beliefs.

I will always go with Jesus and His 72 hours because is the only Truth.

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[amadeois]

I meant 36+36 is not equal to 39 hours.

From Friday at 3:00 PM through Sunday at 6:00 AM is 39 hours.
NOT 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS.

Is our math brain understanding the difference of believing 39 versus 72?

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[amadeois]

People still have a difficult time understanding the meaning of the Sabbath day.

Read all the verses where the word sabbath or day of rest appears and you'll get the message.

Did you check the statistics of how many times the Sabbath appeared in the bible versus the first day of the week?

Those many times show where the mind of God is and what is important to Him.

If Sunday would have been His choice, the statistics would have been all the way around.

Do I need to say more?

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

If Sunday would have been His choice, the statistics would have been all the way around.

Good posts from Scripture.
(many still will not believe) no worries.

Do you remember whose choice "sungodworhsip" day was ? (I think it was written in the Old Testament who would change the laws and the days (and of course that happened in the first few centuries after Yeshua's Resurrection ) ...)

Yhwh kept for Himself a Remnant (why do people always forget this part - a remnant; not the multitudes on the wide road to destruction,
but the few who find the narrow road to life) ....

 

[Travis93]

Good posts from Scripture.
(many still will not believe) no worries.

Do you remember whose choice "sungodworhsip" day was ? (I think it was written in the Old Testament who would change the laws and the days (and of course that happened in the first few centuries after Yeshua's Resurrection ) ...)

Yhwh kept for Himself a Remnant (why do people always forget this part - a remnant; not the multitudes on the wide road to destruction,
but the few who find the narrow road to life) ....

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[amadeois]

Just think to change or attempt to do it but that horn was not God and only God can change what He does. But He has not changed it.

The weak of mind have been deceived buy the enemy to believe in his deceptions.

Who do we think inspired that horn to attempt the change?

None other than Satan, enemy number one of God.

Who was that horn?

Any ideas anyone?

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[amadeois]

@Dale

On your post #80, you picked at all the things I posted and you placed them all together.

I thank you that you read everything I said but I believe you did not understood a word of it.

Why?

You placed a link of what other people wrote about this subject and specially they said that the 72 hours were not biblical. And I say how wrong they are.

You are believing what other people say about this subject but have you yourself taken the time to read the four gospels, to check the original traditions of the jews, to check the original Greek words from the Septuagint, to check the pros and cons about Jesus death and resurrection, are you imitating the people of Berea that reviewed the word daily?

Jesus said it Himself, the only sign that I'll give you is the sign of Jonah that many people, including the Devil, want to make other than what Jesus said.

He knows time better than anybody else since He created it.

So believe in the deception and suffer the consequences.

I go with Jesus and His EXACTLY 72 hours.

Glory be to God who created us.

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[Peter Johnson]

Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

This directive should not be swayed to read against 'what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths', by any means.
It is about not allowing yourself to be condemned for how you live according to your choice and conscience before the Lord -- for he alone is our judge.
However, if anyone does 'eat or drink, and celebrate ... ' then they should do so with the reality of Christ in mind, not with the 'shadow' in the fore of one's thinking.
To focus on the shadows only is idolatry.
To focus on and celebrate the Lord what he wants.
Not one of us should be distracted by those who celebrate differently than ourselves, for they belong to the Lord and not us. To focus our judgement on them is to usurp the Lordship of the one who judges justly. Doing so is idolatry, too.

 

[Bob S]

This directive should not be swayed to read against 'what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths', by any means.
It is about not allowing yourself to be condemned for how you live according to your choice and conscience before the Lord -- for he alone is our judge.
However, if anyone does 'eat or drink, and celebrate ... ' then they should do so with the reality of Christ in mind, not with the 'shadow' in the fore of one's thinking.
To focus on the shadows only is idolatry.
To focus on and celebrate the Lord what he wants.
Not one of us should be distracted by those who celebrate differently than ourselves, for they belong to the Lord and not us. To focus our judgement on them is to usurp the Lordship of the one who judges justly. Doing so is idolatry, too.

Thanks for your reply, but I will stick to scripture, not what Messiaics think.

 

[Peter Johnson]

Thanks for your reply, but I will stick to scripture, not what Messiaics think.

Hello Bob, What part of what I have said is not in alignment with the Scriptures?

 

[SAAN]

Too many persons still believe in the 39 hours rather than believing in Jesus words that said 3 days and 3 nights that is equal to 72 hours.

So SAD that they do not understand the word of Jesus.

Read all the gospels and understand the word and the mistakes.

I believe in Jesus and on His words.

Glory be to God and to Jesus.

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39 hrs is stretching it. Matt 28:1 shows he rose as the Sabbath was ending and it was dawning towards the 1st day of the week, so realistically he would have been in the grave for 24-26 hrs if he died Friday, was placed in the grave before sundown around 6pm and rose again when the sun went down after 6pm on Sunday. Thats not even 1.5 days yet alone 3 days, but we better not dare challenge RCC doctrine.

They fail to realize Jesus specifically said 3 day and 3 nights for a reason because he meant it