Anti-Christ European The final BEAST power is nearly HERE!

[stephen583]

Putin is the only world leader currently aiding Christians in the Middle East. He's also building churches and monasteries in Russia. He's welcoming Jews into Russia. How can someone with his faith and view be the antichrist? Learn a little about his faith and religious background first before slamming the door shut on who the antichrist is. The guy's a christian, maybe even considered an elect if God is using him to build up Russia into a strong christian nation.

Thank You for making my case for me. You saved me the trouble of posting an awful lot of information that confirms Vladimir Putin is a Christian. All you have to do is google that information on Wikipedia. Baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. Regularly attends all the most important services of the Russian Orthodox Church. Wears a baptismal cross which he says he never takes off. The cross was blessed at the Church of the Nativity in his 2014 trip to Bethlehem in Judea (The West Bank). Here's some additional information for you, which you neglected to post in your response.

"When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth let him understand), Then let them which be in Judea flee to the mountains:"
(Matthew 24:15-16).

"Know ye not that YE ARE the TEMPLE OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you" ???
(1 Corinthians 3:16).

According to Christian theology, the "holy place" referred to in Matthew 24:15 can not be a Jewish Temple. Therefore it follows that Matthew 24:15 is stating the Antichrist (Abomination of Desolation described by Daniel the prophet), WILL BE A CHRISTIAN !!! There is no other possible interpretation according to Christian theology.

Again. Thank you for making my point for me. Vladimir Putin is a Christian, and he is also the ANTICHRIST.

 

[Douggg]

Again. Thank you for making my point for me. Vladimir Putin is a Christian, and he is also the ANTICHRIST.

Is Jesus the Christ?

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

So how can Putin be the Antichrist without becoming the King of Israel ?

 

[Douggg]

"Know ye not that YE ARE the TEMPLE OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you" ???
(1 Corinthians 3:16).

According to Christian theology, the "holy place" referred to in Matthew 24:15 can not be a Jewish Temple.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation-11-1/
This temple.....

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

 

[stephen583]

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Again. You're talking about a Book (Revelation) which is absolutely filled with symbolic and figurative language. There is no reference in the Scripture or Bible Prophecy anywhere that explicitly describes the destruction or existence of the Third Jewish Temple you imagine. The Bible does state explicitly, there will be NO PHYSICAL TEMPLE BUILDING PRESENT IN NEW JERUSALEM AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WHEN THE MELLENIAL REIGN BEGINS.

"AND I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT"
(REVELATION 21:22).

What just happened to your RECONSTRUCTED Third Jewish temple ??? Where did it go ??? Where or when does it say in Bible prophecy and Scripture it was DESTROYED ??? The answer to these three questions is obvious. IT NEVER EXISTS.

 

[stephen583]

"BEHOLD, YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE" (MATTHEW 23:38).

There will be no "reconstructed" Third Jewish Temple. Not now, not in the future, not EVER. Unless you are asserting Jesus prophesied falsely ???

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

"BEHOLD, YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE" (MATTHEW 23:38).

There will be no "reconstructed" Third Jewish Temple. Not now, not in the future, not EVER. Unless you are asserting Jesus prophesied falsely ???

LOL.

Wrong verse too. It was already fulfilled in 70AD.

 

[Douggg]

Again. You're talking about a Book (Revelation) which is absolutely filled with symbolic and figurative language.

What are you claiming the temple of God that John is told to measure with a reed - is a metaphor for?

There is no reference in the Scripture or Bible Prophecy anywhere that explicitly describes the destruction or existence of the Third Jewish Temple you imagine. The Bible does state explicitly, there will be NO PHYSICAL TEMPLE BUILDING PRESENT IN NEW JERUSALEM AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WHEN THE MELLENIAL REIGN BEGINS.

"AND I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN: FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT"
(REVELATION 21:22).

What just happened to your RECONSTRUCTED Third Jewish temple ??? Where did it go ??? Where or when does it say in Bible prophecy and Scripture it was DESTROYED ??? The answer to these three questions is obvious. IT NEVER EXISTS.

Revelation 21:22 is the new Jerusalem, on a new earth. The tribulation period temple will be on this present earth, in the present Jerusalem.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

The walls you show pictures of are actual not "figurative" or "symbolic" walls.

I see you're still trying to turn the table on me. You and I both know when people read post 60, I was quoting your claims the walls being figurative and the bars and gates being symbolic.

The proposition Israel would tear down the Security Barrier as part of any Arab/Israeli Peace Agreement is ludicrous on its' face. That would not be an acceptable pretext for any Arab/Israeli Peace Agreement, (at least not in the real world of Arab/Israeli relations). Israel would flatly turn down that demand and there would be no Peace Agreement brokered.

So the "walls, bars and gates" mentioned in Ezekiel 38 must be "figurative" biblical walls, bars and gates, not actual physical walls. THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT FOR ME WITH YOUR PICTURES. THEY ARE MUCH APPRECIATED.

The walls being torn down has nothing to do with the peace treaty. The reason why the walls around Jerusalem will come down is given in the bible. Israel's border will expand into Palestinian territory and Jerusalem will increase in size while the remaining descendents of Jacob returns to occupy the land.

Once the Jews occupy all of the west bank, why do you still need a wall there? In the future when you will have Jews living on the west side of the wall and Jews living on the east side of the wall, do you still need a wall there? You need to read the bible more and stop guessing when something doesn't sound right to you.

Zechariah 1:16-17
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the Lord of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem.
17 Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the Lord shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

Zechariah 2:1-4
1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:

 

[Extraneous]

Revelation is symbolic. The temple isn't a real building. In my opinion.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

"When ye therefore shall see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth let him understand), Then let them which be in Judea flee to the mountains:"
(Matthew 24:15-16).

"Know ye not that YE ARE the TEMPLE OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you" ???
(1 Corinthians 3:16).

This is not about Christian theology, it's about Jewish geography. Christ was telling those that lives in Judea to flee to the mountains. Judea is in Israel. Jews lives in Judea, not Christians. This is prophecy about the Israelites.

~1 Cor 3:16 states we are the temple of God and God is in us.
~Matthew 24:15-16 states an abomination will be in the temple.

By you claiming both Matthew 24:15-16 and 1 Corinthians 3:16 are the same, are you calling God the abomination?

According to Christian theology, the "holy place" referred to in Matthew 24:15 can not be a Jewish Temple.

You're using the wrong scripture. In Matthew 24:15, Christ was quoting from the book of Daniel, which is Jewish prophecy in the OT, not Christian theology. According to Jewish prophecy.....the Jews will rebuild the temple.

Zechariah 1:16 “So this is what the Lord says: ‘I will return to Jerusalem with mercy. My Temple will be rebuilt,’ says the Lord All-Powerful, ‘and the measuring line will be used to rebuild Jerusalem.’

 

[stephen583]

This is not about Christian theology,

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It is absolutely about Christian theology. Any restoration of a Jewish Temple and the Levitical system of temple sacrifice would be a de facto denial of the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ. It would represent an ABOMINATION to God.

You can put up all the verses you want using the word "temple", and claiming it refers to a physical building structure, and every time you will be wrong. There is no provision in Christian theology for a physical building representing anything holy. Everywhere the word "temple" is used in End Time Bible prophecy, it refers figuratively to "Christianity" and it's followers, not a Jewish temple. The Gospel of Christ, explicitly states exactly the opposite. By promoting the MYTH of a reconstructed Third Jewish Temple, you are the one embracing Jewish "mythology", not me.

"FOR WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM"
(MATTHEW 18:20).

See. There is no provision for a building. In fact, the Early Church rarely congregated in a building at all, and then it was at a home selected randomly from among members of the congregation. The Early Christian Church "understood" this doctrine of not making a building of stone a "sacred" structure. That would have been considered "idolatry". According to Matthew 18:20, you can hold church anywhere, even in a vacant lot. That's real Christian theology.

 

[stephen583]

I see you're still trying to turn the table on me. You and I both know when people read post 60, I was quoting your claims the walls being figurative and the bars and gates being symbolic.

What you are doing, is promoting Zionist ideology. It has absolutely nothing to do with interpreting Bible prophecy according to Christian theology, and everybody reading this thread and your posts is perfectly aware of that fact. Your posts speak for themselves. You are "turning the tables" on yourself. It ain't me doing it.

 

[stephen583]

What are you claiming the temple of God that John is told to measure with a reed - is a metaphor for?

It is a metaphor for the "Christian" Church. There is no provision in Christian theology for a physical building structure being "holy" or "sacred". The existence of a physical temple, would be a de facto denial that Jesus was the Son of God and he died for our sins. It would represent an ABOMINATION to God.

 

[Douggg]

It is a metaphor for the "Christian" Church. There is no provision in Christian theology for a physical building structure being "holy" or "sacred". The existence of a physical temple, would be a de facto denial that Jesus was the Son of God and he died for our sins. It would represent an ABOMINATION to God.

Does the bible say the existence of a stone and mortal temple of God here on earth would represent an abomination to God. Does the bible say that? Chapter and verse?

Stephen, that John was told to measure the temple with a reed indicates that it is a physical temple.

 

[stephen583]

Stephen, that John was told to measure the temple with a reed indicates that it is a physical temple.

You know, in courtrooms, lawyers are advised not to ask a question, they don't know the answer to.

What do you think a "reed" is ?! A "ruler" ?! A piece of "string" ?! A long measuring "stick" maybe ?! Lol.

In ancient times, a scribe used a small, hand held, pointed piece of wood or "reed" to dip into ink and write on papyrus (paper). It's also called a "stylus". Today we refer to this writing instrument as an ink "pen" (Webster's Dictionary).

"AND THERE WAS GIVEN ME A REED LIKE UNTO A ROD".. (REVELATION 11:1).

The term "rod" refers to a biblical instrument of discipline or punishment, (Psalm 2:9, Proverbs 13:24, 26:3, Micah 6:9). A rod of "iron" was the most severe form of punishment a master could inflict upon a servant for misbehavior, ( 2 Corinthians 11:25). A single blow alone could break bone and permanently harm a victim, even causing "death" instantly. The rod in Rev.11:1 is a metaphor, meant to be interpreted "figuratively", not literally. It means whatever is written, should be written with "strictness" and due dilligence to Scripture, and without "mincing words".

So it's pretty clear Revelation 11:1 has nothing whatsoever to do with physically "measuring" a building of stone. Nor is it suggesting a structure (such as a building) should be physically demolished. It is a command to make a critical assessment (judgment) about the Church extant, and then to write down and record those findings. Therefore, your attempt to try and validate your "Third Temple Theory" by using a "superficial" interpretation of Revelation 11:1 is quite unbiblical and flawed.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

You can put up all the verses you want using the word "temple", and claiming it refers to a physical building structure, and every time you will be wrong.

Construction of the 3rd Temple

Haggai 1:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
“Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses, and this temple to lie in ruins?”

Haggai 1:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
Go up to the mountains and bring wood and build the temple, that I may take pleasure in it and be glorified,” says the Lord.

Haggai 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
and I will shake all nations, and they shall come to the Desire of All Nations, and I will fill this temple with glory,’ says the Lord of hosts.

Zechariah 6:13 New King James Version (NKJV)
Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord.
He shall bear the glory,
And shall sit and rule on His throne;
So He shall be a priest on His throne,
And the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”’

Zechariah 8:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
“Thus says the Lord of hosts:
‘Let your hands be strong,
You who have been hearing in these days
These words by the mouth of the prophets,
Who spoke in the day the foundation was laid
For the house of the Lord of hosts,
That the temple might be built.

The abomination on the 3rd Temple

Ezekiel 8:13-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
13 And He said to me, “Turn again, and you will see greater abominations that they are doing.” 14 So He brought me to the door of the north gate of the Lord’s house; and to my dismay, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz.

15 Then He said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? Turn again, you will see greater abominations than these.” 16 So He brought me into the inner court of the Lord’s house; and there, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east.

17 And He said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it a trivial thing to the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they commit here? For they have filled the land with violence; then they have returned to provoke Me to anger. Indeed they put the branch to their nose.

Ezekiel 9:3-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the temple. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s inkhorn at his side; 4 and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”

Ezekiel 9:7-8 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Then He said to them, “Defile the temple, and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!” And they went out and killed in the city. 8 So it was, that while they were killing them, I was left alone; and I fell on my face and cried out, and said, “Ah, Lord God! Will You destroy all the remnant of Israel in pouring out Your fury on Jerusalem?”

Isaiah 14:13-15 New King James Version (NKJV)
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.


God destroys the 3rd Temple

Isaiah 64:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
Our holy and beautiful temple,
Where our fathers praised You,
Is burned up with fire;
And all our pleasant things are laid waste.

Jeremiah 26:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
“Micah of Moresheth prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and spoke to all the people of Judah, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts:

“Zion shall be plowed like a field,
Jerusalem shall become heaps of ruins,
And the mountain of the temple
Like the bare hills of the forest.”’



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Do you want scriptures on the millennial temple too?

"FOR WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME, THERE AM I IN THE MIDST OF THEM"
(MATTHEW 18:20).

See. There is no provision for a building. In fact, the Early Church rarely congregated in a building at all, and then it was at a home selected randomly from among members of the congregation. The Early Christian Church "understood" this doctrine of not making a building of stone a "sacred" structure. That would have been considered "idolatry". According to Matthew 18:20, you can hold church anywhere, even in a vacant lot. That's real Christian theology.

If you think Matthew 18:20 negates any existence of God's temple past, present and future, than you really do have a problem understanding Christian theology.

Where will Jesus reside during the millennium when He reigns on earth, in someone's home?

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

What you are doing, is promoting Zionist ideology. It has absolutely nothing to do with interpreting Bible prophecy according to Christian theology, and everybody reading this thread and your posts is perfectly aware of that fact. Your posts speak for themselves. You are "turning the tables" on yourself. It ain't me doing it.

So now I'm being accused of promoting Zionism because I disagreed with your notion the walls around Jerusalem being figurative?

Ezekiel 38:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’—

Zechariah 2:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 who said to him, “Run, speak to this young man, saying: ‘Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls, because of the multitude of men and livestock in it.

Need more evidence of a real physical wall around Jerusalem?

https://www.google.com/search?q=wal...KEwitwYzZ0rLLAhVSwWMKHZYCDikQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=_

 

[stephen583]

So now I'm being accused of promoting Zionism because I disagreed with your notion the walls around Jerusalem being figurative?

Where will Jesus reside during the millennium when He reigns on earth, in someone's home?

"AND I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN : FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT"
(REVELATION 21:22).

You are the one in need of a lesson on Christian Theology and where Jesus will reside during the Millennium reign in New Jerusalem... Not me. I already know, he won't be residing inside any physical temple building, and neither will God.

Yes. You are promoting Zionist ideology with your posts. BTW. Zionism is to Judaism, what KKK ideology is to Christianity. The two things have nothing to do with the other. In fact Zionism is the exact spiritual polar opposite of Judaism. It is particularly antithetical and repugnant to the teachings and precepts of Christianity.

I assure you, despite any belief you have to the contrary.. The millennial kingdom of Israel will in no way, shape or form even remotely resemble the "current state" of Israel. And all those Apartheid walls you so prominently displayed in this thread, will be "falling to the ground" when Israel is redeemed by the hand of Almighty God in the Last Days.

"SURELY IN THAT DAY THERE SHALL BE A GREAT SHAKING IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL;.. AND EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND" (EZEKIEL 38:19-20).

Now we're talking about the physical walls of the "Security Barrier" you posted so many pictures of. Can you tell the difference yet ?! I'm sure lot's of others reading this thread can tell the difference.

 

[Matthew Twentyfour]

"AND I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN : FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT"
(REVELATION 21:22).

You are the one in need of a lesson on Christian Theology and where Jesus will reside during the Millennium reign in New Jerusalem... Not me. I already know, he won't be residing inside any physical temple building, and neither will God.

Yes. You are promoting Zionist ideology with your posts. BTW. Zionism is to Judaism, what KKK ideology is to Christianity. The two things have nothing to do with the other. In fact Zionism is the exact spiritual polar opposite of Judaism. It is particularly antithetical and repugnant to the teachings and precepts of Christianity.

I assure you, despite any belief you have to the contrary.. The millennial kingdom of Israel will in no way, shape or form even remotely resemble the "current state" of Israel. And all those Apartheid walls you so prominently displayed in this thread, will be "falling to the ground" when Israel is redeemed by the hand of Almighty God in the Last Days.

"SURELY IN THAT DAY THERE SHALL BE A GREAT SHAKING IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL;.. AND EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND" (EZEKIEL 38:19-20).

Now we're talking about the physical walls of the "Security Barrier" you posted so many pictures of. Can you tell the difference yet ?! I'm sure lot's of others reading this thread can tell the difference.

You're still pulling wrong passages that reveals prophetic deficiency. Revelation 21:22 is post-millennial while Ezekiel 38:19-20 is pre-millennial.

"AND I SAW NO TEMPLE THEREIN : FOR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT"
(REVELATION 21:22).

Read it carefully, Revelation 21:22 states that God as well as Jesus will be with us. Where in the bible does it show God dwelling amongst men during the millennial reign of Christ? God does not live with us till after the 3rd day. After the 2nd day is the rapture.

Hosea 6:1-2
1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.

I assure you, despite any belief you have to the contrary.. The millennial kingdom of Israel will in no way, shape or form even remotely resemble the "current state" of Israel.

Tell me something I don't know and I'll tell you something you don't know. I can assure you Israel in the millennium looks nothing like current Israel, topographically, demographically and geographically because all of Israel will be rebuild from the ground up and a millennium temple will be built in Jerusalem that's bigger more grandeur than any previous temple ever built.

Do you know where all this is mentioned in the bible or do you need me to give you the scriptures?

 

[stephen583]

Do you know where all this is mentioned in the bible or do you need me to give you the scriptures?

You apparently suffer a biblical deficiency yourself. Anything you post (including your claim there will be a Post Tribulation Jewish Temple), will be utter nonsense. I just posted Scriptural evidence there will be "NO TEMPLE WHATSOEVER IN THE NEW JERUSALEM", (Rev. 21:22) and you still persist to claim the Scripture is incorrect, when the wording is pretty clear and unequivocal. I think anyone who reads this thread can figure out, you're the one who is confused, not me.