The Fibonacci Sequence -

[Subduction Zone]

Which would be of course true is it weren't false.

Nope, you just have a terrible inability to post evidence, even though what is and is not evidence has been rather thoroughly explained to you.

 

[Radrook]

Nope, you just have a terrible inability to post evidence, even though what is and is not evidence has been rather thoroughly explained to you.

People who ignore evidence teaching me what is evidence? LOLWROF!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

People who ignore evidence teaching me what is evidence? LOLWROF!

No, you don't show any evidence. You just go "Look around you!" and then leave it, explaining nothing. Other people actually take the time to provide and explain actual evidence to you and you just ignore it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

People who ignore evidence teaching me what is evidence? LOLWROF!

We don't ignore evidence. You simply don't know what evidence is. And your fear to even discuss the topic shows that you know that you are wrong.

 

[Radrook]

Does anyone here know WHY sunflower florets grow in the additive pattern of the Fibonacci sequence?

If there's no good natural reason for it, then yeah, the coincidence would be pretty startling.

(I suspect there IS a good natural reason. Most things turn out that way. But I'm open minded...).

My quandary is why you seem to prefer to divorce a mathematical sequence which occurs repeatedly in unrelated organisms and non-biological circumstances in nature from a mind that is superimposing it. Obviously if plants display the sequence it's because it is programmed into their DNA. Who programmed that sequence into DNA? The response that chemicals did it simply because chemicals chose to do it that mathematically identical way in many different unrelated situations is ludicrous.

The shapes of spiral galaxies, such as Messier 74, and hurricanes, such as Hurricane Irene, follow the Fibonacci sequence.
Credit: Left: NASA/ESA/Hubble Heritage Team. Right: NASA NOAA GOES Project

What is the Fibonacci Sequence?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Radrook, do you not understand that people are not engaging in your train of thought because you have not once presented ANY EVIDENCE for the Fibonacci Sequence being implemented by a higher mind?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I'm having computer issues at the moment and therefore it's entirely possible that I'm not seeing the images as they truly are, with their correct dimensions, but with what I can tell measuring by eye and with physical objects (rather than in any kind of image editing software) that galaxy and that cloud formation don't appear to have spirals that map on top of each other. Unless the picture is very distorted, then the spirals in the plant are certainly nothing like the spirals of either the galaxy or the cloud.

If the pictures are accurate, and I'm seeing them accurately, then then all being different from each other necessarily implies that only one at most can map to the Fibonacci sequence.

But, as I say, perhaps this is an artefact of my computer issues. I'll have another look once it's been fixed, and perhaps download them into image editing software to make a proper comparison.

 

[Nithavela]

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm having computer issues at the moment and therefore it's entirely possible that I'm not seeing the images as they truly are, with their correct dimensions, but with what I can tell measuring by eye and with physical objects (rather than in any kind of image editing software) that galaxy and that cloud formation don't appear to have spirals that map on top of each other. Unless the picture is very distorted, then the spirals in the plant are certainly nothing like the spirals of either the galaxy or the cloud.

If the pictures are accurate, and I'm seeing them accurately, then then all being different from each other necessarily implies that only one at most can map to the Fibonacci sequence.

But, as I say, perhaps this is an artefact of my computer issues. I'll have another look once it's been fixed, and perhaps download them into image editing software to make a proper comparison.

I think you're right; tornadoes and spiral galaxies are the result of the same physical principles (conservation of momentum), but not all spirals are Fibonacci spirals; in the same way, not all spiral shells are Fibonacci spirals.

Reminds me of the old adage, "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail".

 

[KCfromNC]

People who ignore evidence teaching me what is evidence? LOLWROF!

What evidence is being ignored? Please be specific.

 

[durangodawood]

My quandary is why you seem to prefer to divorce a mathematical sequence which occurs repeatedly in unrelated organisms and non-biological circumstances in nature from a mind that is superimposing it.

So many times in human history we have made "God" the answer to why this or that material circumstance.... only to find that in fact there's a rational material answer.

Now God may well have made the whole thing. But within the whole thing, scientifically accessible answers seem to prevail.

(I was skeptical of the galaxy /storm shape too. Its like you think every spiral is Fibonacci driven. Are they, for a fact? Or are you just imposing your preferred idea onto the event? - you do know there's many ways to define a spiral, right?)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was thinking of using this panel myself. They also have a fine one on the strawman arguments used against atheists by making a very outrageous strawman argument against Christianity. But it might be viewed as "blasphemy" here, even though the argument was a clear strawman. I can't afford to risk it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I was thinking of using this panel myself. They also have a fine one on the strawman arguments used against atheists by making a very outrageous strawman argument against Christianity. But it might be viewed as "blasphemy" here, even though the argument was a clear strawman. I can't afford to risk it.

Yes, understood. But SMBC is the most intelligent strip I've yet seen

 

[Nithavela]

I was thinking of using this panel myself. They also have a fine one on the strawman arguments used against atheists by making a very outrageous strawman argument against Christianity. But it might be viewed as "blasphemy" here, even though the argument was a clear strawman. I can't afford to risk it.

Such is life on Volg.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Who programmed that sequence into DNA?

"Why do you hit your wife?"

It's called a loaded question.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Right, I've managed to have a bit of a go at the spirals above, although you'll have to forgive the crudeness of the tracing - I've not been able to use my tablet, or use paths, so this is what I could do in a hurry with a trackball.

The first image:

The second:

The spirals isolated and mapped on top of each other (no manipulation, other than mirroring and rotation):

Mapped on to a Fibonacci spiral:

As you can see, the two which are the most similar are the galaxy and the storm, but they're still not identical. The flower is not even close, and none of them are particularly close to a Fibonacci spiral.

 

[Nithavela]

Right, I've managed to have a bit of a go at the spirals above, although you'll have to forgive the crudeness of the tracing - I've not been able to use my tablet, or use paths, so this is what I could do in a hurry with a trackball.

The first image:

The second:

The spirals isolated and mapped on top of each other (no manipulation, other than mirroring and rotation):

Mapped on to a Fibonacci spiral:

As you can see, the two which are the most similar are the galaxy and the storm, but they're still not identical. The flower is not even close, and none of them are particularly close to a Fibonacci spiral.

Why, that's OBVIOUSLY a Fibbonacci Spiral! It has to be because of it being proof for creationism.

Here's another spiral created by mysterious natural objects: Africans!

 

[Radrook]

Sorry but I find these explanations more convincing and trustworthy:

The illusion of physical reality is created by the patterns of the
Fibonacci Sequence - the Golden Spiral of Consciousness
consisting of zeros and ones that align with the grids.

http://www.crystalinks.com/binarycodebrain350.jpg

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Sorry but I find these explanations more convincing and trustworthy:

The illusion of physical reality is created by the patterns of the
Fibonacci Sequence - the Golden Spiral of Consciousness
consisting of zeros and ones that align with the grids.

http://www.crystalinks.com/binarycodebrain350.jpg

If 4 leaf clovers are the Devil's work, why are they considered lucky?