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THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

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It isn't. Period.

Have a nice night.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Yep your posting pre 2nd coming scripture again. I am asking for post second coming scriptures showing that the wicked will not be destroyed and will enter into God's Kingdom. You know the scriptures are teaching the exact opposite to what your teaching right dear friend. I have already posted them and you do not have a single scripture do you? Perhaps you can have a think about my questions to you and get back to me latter if you have no scripture to support your view now.
 
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Yep your posting pre 2nd coming scripture again.

Nothing in those passages support your claim. That's just SDA theology twisting those Scriptures.

Have a nice night.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
 
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Nothing in those passages support your claim. That's just SDA theology twisting those Scriptures.

Have a nice night.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

You posting pre-second coming scripture again which I agree with but it does not say what you are saying. I have only posted scripture that disagrees with your claims in relation to the wicked who remain wicked at the second coming and asked you for scriptures to prove your claims that the wicked who remain wicked at the second coming will not be destroyed and will enter into God's Kingdom and you have not provided a single scripture? Well ok but this should be of concern to you as it only shows what I am sharing with you from God's Word is true. Perhaps you can have a rest and pray about our discussion. Have a nice night and nice talking to you.
 
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Does that not worry you

I think "worry" better describes annihilationists such as street corner JWs who look like scared little lost kittens.

Universalists have truly glad tidings to share.

Of course eternal punishment advocates like the Pharisees didn't like that & persecuted the followers of Jesus Who believed in a kind Creator, Love Omnipotent, The Saviour of all the world.
 
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I think "worry" better describes annihilationists such as street corner JWs who look like scared little lost kittens.

Universalists have truly glad tidings to share.

Of course eternal punishment advocates like the Pharisees didn't like that & persecuted the followers of Jesus Who believed in a kind Creator, Love Omnipotent, The Saviour of all the world.

I see yet your the one with no scripture when asked to support your claims about the those who remain wicked being saved after the second coming? Something to pray about on your side I guess.
 
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I see yet your the one with no scripture when asked to support your claims about the those who remain wicked being saved after the second coming?

I've given you Scriptures that support universalism. That proves that the wicked will be "saved after the second coming".
 
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I've given you Scriptures that support universalism. That proves that the wicked will be "saved after the second coming".
No you didn't you did not post a single one where is it? I posted mine that disagrees with your teachings you are yet to post a single scripture that says that the wicked after the second coming are not destroyed and receive eternal life. Yet God's Word not mine says..

2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10
[6], SEEING IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING WITH GOD TO RECOMPENSE TRIBULATION TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU;
[7], AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS,
[8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST:
[9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER;
[10], WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS, AND TO BE ADMIRED IN ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE BECAUSE OUR TESTIMONY AMONG YOU WAS BELIEVED IN THAT DAY.

Yep not looking to good for some come 2nd coming when God takes VENGENCE and DESTROYS the wicked now right?

HEBREWS 10:26-39
[26], FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
[27], BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.
[28], He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29], OF HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, SUPPOSE YOU, SHALL HE BE THOUGHT WORTHY, WHO HAS TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAS COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, WITH WHICH HE WAS SANCTIFIED, AN UNHOLY THING, AND HAS DONE DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
[30], For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[31], IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD.

Yep looks like Paul and JESUS are in agreement here, not looking to good for the wicked. The GREEK Word used here for "DEVOUR" meaning the "FIREY INDIGNATION OF GOD will eat up and consume the wicked agreeing with 1 THESSALONIAN 1:9 "DESTRUCTION" or the wicked through God's "VENGENCE" at the second coming.

We can go back to the words of JESUS again if you like if your still unsure....

MATTHEW 25:31:41 [31], WHEN THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN HIS GLORY, AND ALL THE HOLY ANGELS WITH HIM, THEN SHALL HE SIT ON THE THRONE OF HIS GLORY:
[32], AND BEFORE HIM SHALL BE GATHERED ALL NATIONS: AND HE SHALL SEPARATE THEM ONE FROM ANOTHER, AS A SHEPHERD DIVIDES HIS SHEEP FROM THE GOATS:
[33], AND HE SHALL SET THE SHEEP ON HIS RIGHT HAND, BUT THE GOATS ON THE LEFT.
[34], THEN SHALL THE KING SAY TO THEM ON HIS RIGHT HAND, COME, YOU BLESSED OF MY FATHER, INHERIT THE KINGDOM PREPARED FOR YOU FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD [35], For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: [36], Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37], Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? [38], When saw we you a stranger, and took you in? or naked, and clothed you? [39], Or when saw we you sick, or in prison, and came to you? [40], And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me. [41], THEN SHALL HE SAY ALSO TO THEM ON THE LEFT HAND, DEPART FROM ME, YOU CURSED, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS

The above show that the wicked receive the same punishment at the devil and his Angels (second death).

REVELATION 21:7-8 [7], He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8], BUT THE FEARFUL, AND UNBELIEVING, AND THE ABOMINABLE, AND MURDERERS, AND FORNICATORS, AND SORCERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.

Yep no coming out of that one. This is where all those who are not found in God's book of life are found...

REVELATION 20:14-15 [14], And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH. [15], AND WHOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Yep not looking to good for some come judgement day. Looks like God's Words are true when he says...

EZEKIEL 18:4 [4], BEHOLD, ALL SOULS ARE MINE; AS THE SOUL OF THE FATHER, SO ALSO THE SOUL OF THE SON IS MINE: THE SOUL THAT SINS, IT SHALL DIE.

There are many more we can finish with some words of JESUS here...

MATTHEW 7:21-23
[21], NOT EVERY ONE THAT SAID TO ME, LORD, LORD, SHALL ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN; BUT HE THAT DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
[22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
[23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN.

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NOW, I propose that the above scriptures are evidence that the wicked are DESTROYED AT THE SECOND COMING and that THE WICKED DO NOT ENTER INTO HEAVEN after the second coming.

Now I am asking you this. WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE PROOF or WHERE ARE THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAY THAT THE WICKED ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?

Yet here you still are and you have not provided a single scripture post second coming to support anything you have said. All the precoming scripture you have posted are to the saved not the wicked. Something to think about I guess
 
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No you didn't you did not post a single one where is it?

I gave you scriptures in quite a few posts & told you i believe they support universalism. You lightly dismissed them. Facts.

I also addressed in detail your verses that you allege oppose universalism & showed how i believe that they are in harmony with Biblical universalism. Facts.

I believe these, as well as other verses i already gave you, support universalism:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

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I gave you scriptures in quite a few posts & told you i believe they support universalism. You lightly dismissed them. Facts.

I also addressed in detail your verses that you allege oppose universalism & showed that they are in harmony with Biblical universalism. Facts.

I believe this, as well as other verses i already gave you, support universalism:

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

You provided pre-second coming scripture relevant to God's saved. You did not provide one scripture relevant post second coming that says that those who remain wicked and do not accept the gospel are not destroyed and receive everlasting life. You already admitted to me you have no scripture. This in turn should prove to you that your claims are not true as you have been provided scripture that says the opposite of what your claiming and you have no scripture not to accept the scriptures shared with you. Your only repeating yourself and providing scripture not relevant to our discussion.
 
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Sorry dear friend I have no idea what your talking about in reference to anything I have shared with you. Also, I do not provide dogma if you read my posts dear Fine you will see I am only providing scripture

Dearest Lover: Your spirit of camaraderie is overwhelming. Never have I been "dear (ed)" so much, including my wife. In fact, I have directed her to your amazing posts with the hope she will learn to treat me with warmer tones (lol).

Answering questions of you with the hope of direct no nonsense gobs of gobbledygook has proved to have zero fruit on your tree.
 
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I think "worry" better describes annihilationists such as street corner JWs who look like scared little lost kittens.

Universalists have truly glad tidings to share.

Of course eternal punishment advocates like the Pharisees didn't like that & persecuted the followers of Jesus Who believed in a kind Creator, Love Omnipotent, The Saviour of all the world.

LOL!! Those who love the Lord have no worries!! We'll see when we awake from the 1st death. We stand with the sovereignty of God, He has the right to do whatever He wants to do for He is the Potter and we are the clay. He always does what He says He does. Those who awake to the 2nd death will be the ones who will have worries----not that it will help them. They do not want Christ in this life, and they will not have Him in the next---it is their choice. God will have done everything possible to help them choose Him, but they don't want Him. They will bend the knee in acknowledgement that their sentence is just and they have no one to blame but themselves.
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Universalists are giving people a false hope that they need not take God seriousloy in this life and will still be able to have eternal life, it is a lie but that makes this life so much easier and they'd rather not obey the Lord in this life---so they will not have the opportunity to obey Him in the lake of fire. I doubt they will call it glad tidings nor thank you for it when they are in the lake of fire.
 
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You provided pre-second coming scripture relevant to God's saved.

Your opinion. Prove it.

You did not provide one scripture relevant post second coming that says that those who remain wicked and do not accept the gospel are not destroyed and receive everlasting life.

Your opinion. Prove it.

You already admitted to me you have no scripture.

My last post gave you Scripture. Look again.

Origen even makes so-called "eternal life" ("eonian life" in literal translations) finite when he speaks of "after eternal life" & "beyond eternal life":

(19) "And after eternal life, perhaps it will also leap into the Father who is beyond eternal life. For Christ is life but he who is greater than Christ is greater than life." (Origen's Commentary on John 13:19).

Commentary on the Gospel According to John, Books 13-32, By Origen [page 73]:

Commentary on the Gospel According to John, Books 13-32

In the Greek Old Testament (LXX, Septuagint) of Isaiah 54:4 the word aionios appears and is used of finite duration:

4 You should not fear that you were disgraced, nor should you feel ashamed that you were berated. For shame everlasting(aionios) you shall forget; and the scorn of your widowhood in no way shall you remember any longer (Apostolic Bible Polygot, LXX)

The same phrase, and Greek words, for "shame everlasting"(aionios) in Isa.54:4 occur again at Dan.12:2 LXX, which i have higlighted within the brackets:

Dan.12:2 καὶ πολλοὶ τῶν καθευδόντων ἐν γῆς χώματι ἐξεγερθήσονται οὗτοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ οὗτοι εἰς ὀνειδισμὸν καὶ εἰς [αἰσχύνην αἰώνιον]

Isa.54:4 μὴ φοβοῦ ὅτι κατῃσχύνθης μηδὲ ἐντραπῇς ὅτι ὠνειδίσθης ὅτι [αἰσχύνην αἰώνιον] ἐπιλήσῃ καὶ ὄνειδος τῆς χηρείας σου οὐ μὴ μνησθήσῃ

Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - ??????? - shame/disgrace/dishonor (n.)

Strong's Greek: 152. ??????? (aischuné) -- shame

In Isa.54:4 aionios/eonian is finite: "For shame everlasting[eonian] you shall forget".

Examples of aionios as a finite duration in Koine Greek:

Two Questions
Does aionios always mean eternal in ancient Koine Greek? (paradise, Gospel, hell) - Christianity -  - City-Data Forum

If Jesus wished to express endless punishment, then He would have used expressions such as "endless", "no end" & "never be saved" as per:

How Scripture expresses endless duration (not aion/ios) (paradise, hell, punishment) - Christianity -  - City-Data Forum

Jesus didn't use the best words & expressions to describe endlessness in regards to punishment, because He didn't believe in endless punishment.

ENDLESSNESS not applied to eschatological PUNISHMENT in Scripture:

could an 'eternal punishment' simply mean that once instituted it will not change?

12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
 
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Dearest Lover: Your spirit of comaraderie is overwhelming. Never have I been "dear (ed)" so much, including my wife. In fact, I have directed her to your amazing posts with the hope she will learn to treat me with warmer tones (lol).

Answering questions of you with the hope of direct no nonsense gobs of gobbledygook has proved to have zero fruit on your tree.

Provide scripture to support your claims dear friend and you will get better response. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that lead others away from God's Word to break his commandment to drink of polluted waters of broken cisterns that give no life. Your following the gambling lady of second chances. Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. Come and drink from these waters dear Fine
 
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LoveGodsWord said: You provided pre-second coming scripture relevant to God's saved.
Your response...
Your opinion. Prove it.

How can I prove scripture you have yet to provide? I am asking you this. WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE PROOF or WHERE ARE THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAY THAT THE WICKED ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?

I have already provided the scriptures on what happend to the wicked at the second coming. They are destroyed and do not enter God's KINGDOM. 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; HEBREWS 10:26-39; MATTHEW 25:31-41; REVELATION 21:7-8; REVELATION 20:14-15; EZEKIEL 18:4; MATTHEW 7:21-23

Your turn. Please show me the scriptures that say THE WICKED ARE NOT DESTROYED AND ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?
 
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Instead of spamming this thread with website links from the teachings of men lets have a discussion on the scriptures. WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE PROOF or WHERE ARE THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAY THAT THE WICKED ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?

I have already provided the scriptures on what happens to the wicked at the second coming. They are destroyed and do not enter God's KINGDOM. 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; HEBREWS 10:26-39; MATTHEW 25:31-41; REVELATION 21:7-8; REVELATION 20:14-15; EZEKIEL 18:4; MATTHEW 7:21-23

Your turn. Please show me the scriptures that say THE WICKED ARE NOT DESTROYED AND ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?

If you have no scripture to support your view does this not worry you that your presenting a different gospel to the one JESUS shared? If not why not?
 
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How can I prove scripture you have yet to provided?

You misunderstand. That's not what i asked you to prove.

You are being asked to prove the claims you posted. See my post #752.

Have a good evening.
 
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You misunderstand. That's not what i asked you to prove.

You are being asked to prove the claims you posted. See my post #752.

Have a good evening.

I did. I have already provided the scriptures on what happens to the wicked at the second coming. They are destroyed and do not enter God's KINGDOM. 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; HEBREWS 10:26-39; MATTHEW 25:31-41; REVELATION 21:7-8; REVELATION 20:14-15; EZEKIEL 18:4; MATTHEW 7:21-23

Your turn. Please show me the scriptures that say THE WICKED ARE NOT DESTROYED AND ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING? If you have no scripture to support your view does this not worry you that your presenting a different gospel to the one JESUS shared? If not why not?
 
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Your turn. Please show me the scriptures that say THE WICKED ARE NOT DESTROYED AND ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING?

I'm sure at least some of these do, which i posted to you already:

Goodness what a waste of my time. Please show me a single scripture you have posted here that says that the wicked will receive eternal life?

Is your opinion that no wicked person will ever receive eternal life?

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Gen 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give
for the life of the world."

Jn 1:9 That [Christ] was the true Light which, coming into the world, gives light to every man.

Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."

Jn 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Jn 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself."

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Rom 3:3-4a For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Certainly not!

Jn 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

Rom 11:32-33 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

1Tim 2:4-6 …who [God] desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rom 5:15 But the free gift is not like the offence. For if by the one man's offence many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

Rom 5:18-19 Therefore, as through one man's offence judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

1Cor 15:21-22 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

2Cor 5:14-15, 19 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. ...that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

1Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Col 1:20 …and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

John 4:42 Then they said to the woman, "Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world."

1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Saviour of the world.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.

1Tim 4:10 For to this end we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those who believe.

1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

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There were no SDA's until 1864---or thereabouts. Not that it matters. This is not an SDA issue---it is an issue of what the bible says---no matter what denomination.
fter all this time you still have not comprehended the fact that I do not read your stuff. There never is much scripture---if any, or the opinions of others who have fallen for the same lie. We have nothing to worry about---according to you, we will come out of the lake of fire---you on the other hand stand in opposition to the expressed will of God. He does what He says. And He will not look kindly on those who have lied to others and led them astray.
When we stand before God, we will be standing on His word--you will be standing on your own opinions and the opinions of others you preferred to believe rather than the word of God itself. I'd rather obey Him in this life, however much that may make my life less comfortable, then to ever go against Him. He gave His life for me. You make His death of no value, for sinners come out of the lake of fire without needing His forgiving blood---you can deny this till the sinners come out of the lake of fire, it is exactly what you do---make His sacrifice of no value. Sinners will have come out of the lake of fire without the need of His forgiving blood, they'll just have to suffer a little, then they get eternal life. That could have been for everyone and no one need have obeyed Him ever, and He need never have died at all.
 
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