THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[LoveGodsWord]

Huh? Here's what you said:
How can you say 2 Pet.2:9 is "not talking about the ungodly or unrepentant wicked after the second coming"? Please explain.

There is no Huh? As posted in post # 1885 and 1887 (clarified)

Nonsense. Please stop twisting what I posted earlier. I highligted what I was posting and discussing in regards to the scripture shared. You part quoting me and pretending to say things I am not does not help your cause. I posted earlier... No the GODLY are not the UNRIGHTEOUS. They are the unrepentant wicked (the UNGODLY).

“The Lord knows how to rescue/deliver THE GODLY out of temptation and to reserve the unrighteous unto the day of judgement to be punished…” -2 Peter 2:9-

"Who shall be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." -2 Thessalonians 1:9-

The "day of judgement" is the day that God's punishments are given to the ungodly (unrighteous). It is called "the second death" Revelation 21:7-8. The Second death is when God's judgements (punishment) is given to the ungodly or the unrepentant wicked after the second coming.

You twisting what I post and part quoting me to try and make out I am saying things I did not mean does not help your cause.

 

[ClementofA]

Nonsense. All of this is old material that does not address earlier posts to you. That you simply choose to ignore. Please address the contents of these posts and prove why you disagree with them in regards to 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9 - you post here has been addressed and further content added to show why your claims are in error in post # 1363; post # 1364; post # 1365; post # 1366; post # 1367; post # 1657 linked; posts # 1658 linked; posts # 1659 linked; post # 1761 linked; posts # 1771 linked post # 1782 linked; post 1783 linked; post # 1790 linked; post # 1791 linked.

I think i have addresed all of your substantial points.

I'm quite content & extremely confident that my view is the scriptural truth.



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I destroyed all your "proof texts" against universalism showing they failed as such "proof texts". That's why your quoted verses are so lame. If Scripture actually taught the endless tortures or endless annihilation doctrine, why isn't it being shouted in the most clear language repeatedly from Genesis to Revelation. Such doctrines are a joke.

Yet another lame, feeble, failing attempt to support your theology. Nothing there states there are no more chances after the second coming. Nothing there states the Love of Love Crucified the Omnipotent has expired like a carton of milk & the Almighty is powerless to save. Nothing states Love unending will hold grudges, bitterness and hate against anyone for all eternity, as your theology would have us believe.

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If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

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"You are fully, completely, and thoroughly adored by God."

May the Lord keep, bless & heal you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think i have addresed all of your substantial points.

I'm quite content & extremely confident that my view is the scriptural truth.



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I destroyed all your "proof texts" against universalism showing they failed as such "proof texts". That's why your quoted verses are so lame. If Scripture actually taught the endless tortures or endless annihilation doctrine, why isn't it being shouted in the most clear language repeatedly from Genesis to Revelation. Such doctrines are a joke.

Yet another lame, feeble, failing attempt to support your theology. Nothing there states there are no more chances after the second coming. Nothing there states the Love of Love Crucified the Omnipotent has expired like a carton of milk & the Almighty is powerless to save. Nothing states Love unending will hold grudges, bitterness and hate against anyone for all eternity, as your theology would have us believe.

No. You simply ignored the content of the posts shared with you that prove why your claims are in error and simply cut and pasted much of the old content you posted without addressing the content and scriptures in the posts that prove why you are in error. Then made unsubstantiated claims that this destroyed the posts and scriptures shared with you that prove why you are in error. Happy to discuss each one with you again. I do not mind you disagreeing. If you disagree however prove your claims. So far you have not done this. All your posts throughout this thread have been proven to be either out of context, misapplication of the scriptures or misapplication to the Greek contexts in reference to other scriptures not being discussed. The theology of UNIVERSALISM is not that of the bible. It is simply not biblical when discussing the claims of the unrepentant wicked at the second coming receiving everlasting life. I think this thread proves this.

 

[ClementofA]

“The Lord knows how to rescue/deliver THE GODLY out of temptation and to reserve the unrighteous unto the day of judgement to be punished…” -2 Peter 2:9-

"Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament
κολάζω

(< κόλος , docked),

[in LXX: Daniel 6:12 (13) (no Heb.), 1 Esdras 8:24, Wisdom of Solomon 3:4 (and freq.), 1 Maccabees 7:7, al.;]

1. to curtail, dock, prune.

2. to check, restrain.

3. to chastise, correct, punish: pass., 2 Peter 2:9; mid., cause to be punished (3 Maccabees 7:3): Acts 4:21.†"

Strong's #2849 - κολάζω - Old & New Testament Greek Lexicon

 

[ClementofA]

No. You simply ignored the content of the posts shared with you that prove why your claims are in error and simply cut and pasted much of the old content you posted without addressing the content and scriptures in the posts that prove why you are in error. Then made unsubstantiated claims that this destroyed the posts and scriptures shared with you that prove why you are in error. Happy to discuss each one with you again. I do not mind you disagreeing. If you disagree however prove your claims. So far you have not done this. All your posts throughout this thread have been proven to be either out of context, misapplication of the scriptures or misapplication to the Greek contexts in reference to other scriptures not being discussed. The theology of UNIVERSALISM is not that of the bible. It is simply not biblical when discussing the claims of the unrepentant wicked at the second coming receiving everlasting life. I think this thread proves this.

Nope.

"Premise 1: God desires all be saved. (e.g., 1 Timothy 2:4: "[God] who desires (thelo) all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.")

Premise 2: God accomplishes all He desires. (e.g., Isaiah 55:11: "So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire (thelo, from the Septuagint), And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.")

Conclusion: All will be saved."

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament
κολάζω

(< κόλος , docked),

[in LXX: Daniel 6:12 (13) (no Heb.), 1 Esdras 8:24, Wisdom of Solomon 3:4 (and freq.), 1 Maccabees 7:7, al.;]

1. to curtail, dock, prune.

2. to check, restrain.

3. to chastise, correct, punish: pass., 2 Peter 2:9; mid., cause to be punished (3 Maccabees 7:3): Acts 4:21.†"

Strong's #2849 - κολάζω - Old & New Testament Greek Lexicon

“The Lord knows how to rescue/deliver THE GODLY out of temptation and to reserve the unrighteous unto the day of judgement to be punished κολάζω…” -2 Peter 2:9-

κολάζω fut. κολάσω; 1 aor. mid. ἐκολασάμην. Pass.: 1 fut. κολασθήσομαι; aor. 3 pl. ἐκολάσθησαν LXX; pf. inf. κεκολάσθαι (s. three next entries) penalize, punish (so Trag., Pla.+; also OGI 90, 28; PSI 446, 14; PRyl 62, 9) act. τινά someone lit., of the punishment of slaves Hs 9, 28, 8. In imagery do someone an injury, of polytheists who penalize their cult images by locking them up Dg 2:8. In an apocalyptic place of punishment are οἱ κολάζοντες ἄγγελοι ApcPt 6:21b (Chariton 4, 2, 7 οἱ κολάζοντες=‘constables, police’; Sallust. 19 p. 34, 15 δαίμονες κολάζοντες).—Mid. (Aristoph., Vesp. 405; Pla., Protag. 324c; 3 Macc 7:3; ApcEsdr 1:11 p. 25, 4 Tdf.; Just., A II, 2, 9; 11; 16) Ac 4:21.—Mostly pass. of the punishment of Christians 1 Pt 2:20 v.l.; Dg 5:16; 6:9; 7:8; 10:7; MPol 2:4. Of the Last Judgment 2 Pt 2:9. βασάνοις 2 Cl 17:7 (on the dat., cp. Appian, Bell. Civ. 2, 90 §377 κ. θανάτῳ; Polyaenus 3, 9, 56; Lucian, Dial. Mort. 17, 2; Jos., Ant. 18, 314 κ. πληγαῖς.—Just., A II, 1, 2 ἐν πυρί). δισσῶς be punished doubly Hs 9, 18, 2. Of hell οἱ κολαζόμενοι ἐκεῖ ApcPt 6:21a. (Of punishment by God: TestAsh 6:2; ApcEsdr 1:11; Just., D. 88, 5; Diod S 16, 32, 1; Epict. 3, 11, 3; Dio Chrys. 59 [76], 5; Aesop, Fab. 77 P.=127 H. ὑπὸ θεῶν κολάζονται; oft. in ins in FSteinleitner, D. Beicht 1913, p. 10ff; LRobert, Nouvelles Inscriptions de Sardes ’64, 24ff; LXX; Jos., Bell. 2, 163; cp. Theoph. Ant., 2, 36 [p. 196, 24]). Aristotle’s limitation of the term κόλασις to disciplinary action Rhet. 1, 10, 17 is not reflected in gener. usage.—DELG s.v. κόλος 3. M-M. TW.

"Who shall be punished τίνω with everlasting DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." -2 Thessalonians 1:9-

τίνω (Hom. et al.; PHamb 22, 5; Just., A I, 17, 1) fut. τίσω (better τείσω: Kühner-Bl. II 552; Mayser 91, 2; B-D-F §23; Mlt-H. 261) to experience retribution, pay, undergo a penalty δίκην τίνειν (since Soph., Aj. 113; s. δίκη 1; Pr 27:12 ζημίαν τείσουσιν) 2 Th 1:9; Hm 2:5; Hs 9, 19, 3.—DELG. M-M.

The Word of God alone defines (2 PETER 2:9 links to 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9) stating that the "PUNISHMENT" of the unrepentant wicked as "EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION" - Second death.

The "day of judgement" is the day that God's punishments are given to the ungodly (unrighteous). It is called "the second death" Revelation 21:7-8. The Second death is when God's judgements (punishment) is given to the ungodly or the unrepentant wicked after the second coming.

Sorry dear friend. It seems Gods Word disagrees with you. There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked (ungodly) after the second coming, only the second death which is destruction.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Dream on.

No need to dream dear friend. Proof has been provided here in post # 1363; post # 1364; post # 1365; post # 1366; post # 1367; post # 1657 linked; posts # 1658 linked; posts # 1659 linked; post # 1761 linked; posts # 1771 linked post # 1782 linked; post 1783 linked; post # 1790 linked; post # 1791 linked. Showing why God's Word disagrees with you. You are free to believe as you wish. They are God's Words not mine. So your argument is with God not me.

 

[ClementofA]

The "day of judgement" is the day that God's punishments are given to the ungodly (unrighteous). It is called "the second death" Revelation 21:7-8. The Second death is when God's judgements (punishment) is given to the ungodly or the unrepentant wicked after the second coming.

Sorry dear friend. It seems Gods Word disagrees with you. There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked (ungodly) after the second coming, only the second death which is destruction.

As I said---this is definitely what will happen when all the wicked will bow and acknowledge that God is Lord and face judgement---before they are thrown into the lake of fire, everyone one of them, including Satan, will acknowledge God is Lord and acknowledge their judgement is just and merciful.

None of the passages i posted say that. They reveal - all - are saved. That can't occur when you say it does. It can only occur - after - people go into the lake of fire. Therefore those in the LOF will be saved.

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for the eons of the eons.

Isa.45:21b and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Phil.2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that IN the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

"Keep in mind these 2 simple observations:

The text In Isaiah 45:22-23 that inspires 2:9-11 uses the future tense.

(2) The other NT text referring to the worship of everyone “in heaven, on earth, and under the earth” presents a vision of what happens, not of what might happen (Rev. 5:13)."

Philippians 2:9-11 – ‘should’ vs ‘will’

"“In looking at Phil. 2:10, “That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow,”...“In the Name of Jesus” (Greek and R. V.) means more than simply using the name of Jesus. It signifies, according to the Hebrew idiom, in the very nature of Jesus. This implies not only a change of heart, but that He has bestowed His own nature and spirit. Besides, the confession is that “Jesus Christ is Lord.” No hypocritical confession will satisfy God. “No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost” (1Cor. 12:3). Further, Phil. 2:11 says that the confession is “to the glory of God the Father.” No confession compulsion and force would glorify God the Father.” The whole text implies a real change of heart to make this confession truly “in the Name of Jesus” and “to the glory of God the Father.” Note, further, that those who “bow” and “confess” are in heaven," “in earth,” and “underearth.” This includes the whole creation of God."

Is Hell Eternal? Or Will God's Plan Fail? Ch. 8 The Neglected Age

 

[LoveGodsWord]

None of the passages i posted say that. They reveal - all - are saved. That can't occur when you say it does. It can only occur - after - people go into the lake of fire. Therefore those in the LOF will be saved.

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for the eons of the eons.

Isa.45:21b and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Phil.2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that IN the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

"Keep in mind these 2 simple observations:

The text In Isaiah 45:22-23 that inspires 2:9-11 uses the future tense.

(2) The other NT text referring to the worship of everyone “in heaven, on earth, and under the earth” presents a vision of what happens, not of what might happen (Rev. 5:13)."

Philippians 2:9-11 – ‘should’ vs ‘will’

"“In looking at Phil. 2:10, “That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow,”...“In the Name of Jesus” (Greek and R. V.) means more than simply using the name of Jesus. It signifies, according to the Hebrew idiom, in the very nature of Jesus. This implies not only a change of heart, but that He has bestowed His own nature and spirit. Besides, the confession is that “Jesus Christ is Lord.” No hypocritical confession will satisfy God. “No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost” (1Cor. 12:3). Further, Phil. 2:11 says that the confession is “to the glory of God the Father.” No confession compulsion and force would glorify God the Father.” The whole text implies a real change of heart to make this confession truly “in the Name of Jesus” and “to the glory of God the Father.” Note, further, that those who “bow” and “confess” are in heaven," “in earth,” and “underearth.” This includes the whole creation of God."

Is Hell Eternal? Or Will God's Plan Fail? Ch. 8 The Neglected Age

Soo??? This is just another cut and paste already provided earlier in the thread that has been addressed elsewhere. Why are you spamming again and how is this relevant to our conversation? It isn't.

 

[ClementofA]

Soo??? This is just another cut and paste already provided earlier in the thread that has been addressed elsewhere.

Addrssed? Where?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Addrssed? Where?

Somewhere in this thread. I am not searchng for it again this time for you. Go find it. How do you think I know it is another cut and paste from you that has already been posted? You missed the rest of the questions how is this relevant to post # 1906 linked? - It isn't.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

"Who shall be punished τίνω with everlasting DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." -2 Thessalonians 1:9-

C'mon Mr SDA.

Everyone knows that no one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old.

Everyone also knows that you don't put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

Ruined! So what do you think God's going to do with the old sinful meat sack? That's right - out with the old, in with the new, put the old man to death once and for all and renovate!

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (Rom 6:6-12)

Yes! Freed from sin by putting to death the old carcass and filling it with new wine of Christ.

Eternal destruction is good news, it means the sinful old self ain't coming back.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

C'mon Mr SDA.

Everyone knows that no one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old.

Everyone also knows that you don't put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

Ruined! So what do you think God's going to do with the old sinful meat sack? That's right - out with the old, in with the new, put the old man to death once and for all and renovate!

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (Rom 6:6-12)

Yes! Freed from sin by putting to death the old carcass and filling it with new wine of Christ.

Eternal destruction is good news, it means the sinful old self ain't coming back.

C'mon Mr Universalism,

You do know that ROMANS 6 is talking about the saved before the second coming not the unrepentant wicked after the second coming right? Your post has nothing to do with the post of mine you are part quoting me from or does ROMANS 6 have anything to do with the unrepentant wicked after the second coming.

According to the scriptures, "eternal destruction" for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming is "eternal death"

Doesn't sound like very good news to me if your one of the unrepetant wicked after the second coming

Now please show me from the scriptures where does it say that the unrepentant wicked after the second coming receive everlasting life when God's Word alone says...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

Sorry dear friend, it seems God's Word disagrees with you.

For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the false teachings of Universalism.

Hope this helps.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

According to the scriptures, "eternal destruction" for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming is "eternal death"

It's the same principle. You sir seem to read scripture as a grab-bag of isolated literal particles. But it's far more coherent than that, and this becomes clear when you discern pattern. And pattern can only be discerned by the Spirit, the letter of itself profiteth naught.

So when the wicked are destroyed, it is the wickedness - the sinful parts - that are destroyed. God destroys the wickedness by giving us new wineskins, a new heart, a repentant mind, the indwelling of the spirit. See how time and again He purges the evil from earth in order to restore. Well, Jesus teaches that the evil is found in the heart, the battleground is spiritual.

So when the new man emerges, he regards with contempt the carcass, the dungpile of what he was.

Friend, you're clanging around in the iron armour, that stuff's no good for spiritual warfare. Love is our charge, and true love is an unquenchable fire.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's the same principle. You sir seem to read scripture as a grab-bag of isolated literal particles. But it's far more coherent than that, and this becomes clear when you discern pattern. And pattern can only be discerned by the Spirit, the letter of itself profiteth naught.

So when the wicked are destroyed, it is the wickedness - the sinful parts - that are destroyed. God destroys the wickedness by giving us new wineskins, a new heart, a repentant mind, the indwelling of the spirit. See how time and again He purges the evil from earth in order to restore. Well, Jesus teaches that the evil is found in the heart, the battleground is spiritual.

So when the new man emerges, he regards with contempt the carcass, the dungpile of what he was.

Friend, you're clanging around in the iron armour, that stuff's no good for spiritual warfare. Love is our charge, and true love is an unquenchable fire.

Nonsense dear friend, ROMANS 6 and 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9 are polar opposites. ROMANS 6:1-23 is in reference to the repentant saved who are God's saints before the second coming who accept the free gift of God's grace through faith in the blood of JESUS for their sins. 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9 is in reference to the unrepentant wicked who count the blood of the covenant and unholy thing and reject the gift of God's grace through faith after the second coming *HEBREWS 10:26-39.

According to the scriptures, "eternal destruction" for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming is "eternal death"

Now please show me from the scriptures where does it say that the unrepentant wicked after the second coming receive everlasting life when God's Word alone says...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

Sorry dear friend, it seems God's Word disagrees with you. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. What your pormoting through Universalism is not biblical.

Hope this helps.

 

[FineLinen]

Hope this helps.

"God is always bigger than the boxes we build for God, so we should not waste too much time protecting the boxes." -Richard Rohr-

 

[BrotherD]

It's the same principle. You sir seem to read scripture as a grab-bag of isolated literal particles. But it's far more coherent than that, and this becomes clear when you discern pattern. And pattern can only be discerned by the Spirit, the letter of itself profiteth naught.

So when the wicked are destroyed, it is the wickedness - the sinful parts - that are destroyed. God destroys the wickedness by giving us new wineskins, a new heart, a repentant mind, the indwelling of the spirit. See how time and again He purges the evil from earth in order to restore. Well, Jesus teaches that the evil is found in the heart, the battleground is spiritual.

So when the new man emerges, he regards with contempt the carcass, the dungpile of what he was.

Friend, you're clanging around in the iron armour, that stuff's no good for spiritual warfare. Love is our charge, and true love is an unquenchable fire.

God does destroy the wicked my friend. Remeber scripture says he can destroy body and soul:

Matthew 10:28 KJV — And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ask yourself this, will the most wicked and cruel men to ever walk this earth get a chance to make it in heaven without repentance?

 

[FineLinen]

God does destroy the wicked my friend. Remeber scripture says he can destroy body and soul:

Matthew 10:28 KJV — And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The God of UN (limited) has power to do exactly as He pleases. The question is what is the object of destruction by the Father of all fathers?

Olethron destruction points to an unchangeable, irremediable, and endless condition.

If this be true, if olethros is extinction, then this teaches the annihilation of the wicked, in which case the adjective aionios is superfluous, since extinction is final, and excludes the idea of duration.

But olethros does not always mean destruction or extinction.

Take the kindred verb apollumi to destroy, put an end to, or in the middle voice, to be lost, to perish. Peter says “the world being deluged with water, perished (apoleto, 2 Pet. 3:6); but the world did not become extinct, it was renewed.

In Heb. 1:11,12, from Psl. 102, we read concerning the heavens and the earth as compared with the eternity of God, “they shall perish” (apolountai). But the perishing is only preparatory to change and renewal. “They shall be changed” (allagesontai).

Compare Isa. 51:6,16; 65:22; 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1. Similarly, “the Son of man came to save that which was lost” (apololos), Luke 19:10.

Jesus charged his apostles to go to the lost (apololota) sheep of the house of Israel, Matt. 10:6, compare 15:24, “He that shall lose (apolese) his life for my sake shall find it,” Matt. 16:25. Compare Luke 15:6,9,32. -Dr. Marvin Vincent-

 

[Shrewd Manager]

God does destroy the wicked my friend. Remeber scripture says he can destroy body and soul:

Yes I fully concur. And God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. But where we differ is in the means by which the destruction is accomplished.

I surmise you take the OT-type view which involves lurid en masse demise, a la mass drownings, fiery serpent poisonings, babies' heads dashed against rocks, harlots cut into pieces for mail out, cities razed and burned with fire, babies ripped from mothers' wombs, and so on and so forth.

Ah the good old days.

But alas, Jesus comes to reveal the truth, which in fact runs through the OT and is the underlying pattern of scripture. That truth is God's Salvation. Yahushua is the truth, the alpha and omega.

Individuals are the temple. In that temple there are forces warring, the flesh against the spirit (and don't forget those filthy money-changers, always yapping away). Cleanse the temple in the blood of the Lamb, cast from it those sinful parts, put to death the old man, nip those evil thoughts in the bud with extreme prejudice like they were Babylonian babies or otherwise their feet will take hold on Sheol and drag you down, my friend.

But do you think the Great Physician is incapable of destroying those wicked parts and delivering the temple cleansed? In allowing the tares to grow with the wheat so He can fire assay off the dross out at the judgment, hardening hearts in order to have mercy upon all?

Matthew 10:28 KJV — And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Read on, my friend - what's that about God numbering every hair on your head? About you being worth more than the sparrows whom He dearly loves? Jesus' teaching here is that it is right to fear God over man, but God loves us and won't smash us...however don't take Him for granted, because we can store up wrath through bad habits and choices.

A bit like a drug addict breaking the habit I suppose, the torment of being restored from the clutches of the demonic spirit that's got its teeth into one's entrails.

Ask yourself this, will the most wicked and cruel men to ever walk this earth get a chance to make it in heaven without repentance?

Repentance is a must. We believe even the Chief of Sinners will repent in earnest once the truth of God is revealed, because his clay heart bears the manufacturer's name. And you better believe it happens every day on the Damascus Rd, cause miracles are commonplace in the Kingdom.

And never forget, a bruised reed He shall not break nor smouldering flax shall He quench. More than conquerors, my friend.

 

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God does destroy the wicked my friend. Remeber scripture says he can destroy body and soul:

Matthew 10:28 KJV — And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ask yourself this, will the most wicked and cruel men to ever walk this earth get a chance to make it in heaven without repentance?

Well what a pleasant surprise. Someone who reads and beleives Gods' Word. Thanks BrotherD nice to see someone who read God's Word again. All I am normally getting here is mostly cut and paste, twisted scriptures from the teachings of the gambling lady of second chances. Sadly nothing biblical.

God bless dear friend thanks for sharing.