The Fall feasts.

[Frogster]

are you saying Abraham wouldn't ever do the feast
with his whole heart if God asked him too ?

well, they were in the book of the law, that was not written until about 430 years later

Yes, God talks to lil ole froggy too as far as your other question.

 

[NannaNae]

I just want to know why Paul celebrates the Jesus/ Jehovah of the feasts , if they nothing but bondage ? why was Paul like trying to make it back to Jerusalem before Pentecost.. Act 20 :16 are you saying Paul was in Bondage to Pentecost ? or maybe he just wanted to be there because he wanted to be there. Paul was not in spiritual bondage to anything except Jesus ! and he had no issues with making sure he could get there .

oh froggy you did your normal hopping around the Abraham question.. you sure like attention. you got one verse about someones fear..... which is not faith...and man your use it like bat. I walk in faith and follow the Lord ... I don't worry about Pauls fears...

so do tells us what Abraham would feel like going to say a modern Mass? or any modern day church service? would he say that there was bondage there ? how about to your house at Christmas time and Easter .. would he have any clue in any of those places that it was about Jesus Lord of creation that he talked to face to face ?

I don't think so..

would Paul or Abraham in anyway know or understand this was his God these people are trying to worship? now Paul might get a clue..as long as he didn't Go to a mass first.

Now would Abraham know that the feast was about God's deeds and his prophecy of end times and city made without hands and end of this age and the next age . and God's promise to dwell with man forever in a new world . yes he would. Would Abraham think they were more of a bondage than what our current churches are in bondage too and is not common to mankinds every way and common to his heart ? no
Abraham would surely recognize all that pagan ritual found in our churches today who are in bondage and debit to a materialistic system which is demanding their rights to do those rites.

in all that speaking to God face to face , he never told you to Love Israel and to bless Israel. gee I personally would be worried about who I was listening too if it was me.
I would suggest it hasn't been face to face has it ?
I suggest you spend lots more time reading his words in the old testament and a lot less time beating people up with one verse about one mans fears, by the hour on the internet .. fears of a man who by the way had allowed himself to be caught in that particular bondage, so sure he had some fear what man is capable to doing with just everything he is given .

 

[Frogster]

I just want to know why Paul celebrates the Jesus/ Jehovah of the feasts , if they nothing but bondage ? why was Paul like trying to make it back to Jerusalem before Pentecost.. Act 20 :16 are you saying Paul was in Bondage to Pentecost ? or maybe he just wanted to be there because he wanted to be there. Paul was not in spiritual bondage to anything except Jesus ! and he had no issues with making sure he could get there .

oh froggy you did your normal hopping around the Abraham question.. you sure like attention. you got one verse about someones fear..... which is not faith...and man your use it like bat. I walk in faith and follow the Lord ... I don't worry about Pauls fears...

so do tells us what Abraham would feel like going to say a modern Mass? or any modern day church service? would he say that there was bondage there ? how about to your house at Christmas time and Easter .. would he have any clue in any of those places that it was about Jesus Lord of creation that he talked to face to face ?

I don't think so..

would Paul or Abraham in anyway know or understand this was his God these people are trying to worship? now Paul might get a clue..as long as he didn't Go to a mass first.

Now would Abraham know that the feast was about God's deeds and his prophecy of end times and city made without hands and end of this age and the next age . and God's promise to dwell with man forever in a new world . yes he would. Would Abraham think they were more of a bondage than what our current churches are in bondage too and is not common to mankinds every way and common to his heart ? no
Abraham would surely recognize all that pagan ritual found in our churches today who are in bondage and debit to a materialistic system which is demanding their rights to do those rites.

in all that speaking to God face to face , he never told you to Love Israel and to bless Israel. gee I personally would be worried about who I was listening too if it was me.
I would suggest it hasn't been face to face has it ?
I suggest you spend lots more time reading his words in the old testament and a lot less time beating people up with one verse about one mans fears, by the hour on the internet .. fears of a man who by the way had allowed himself to be caught in that particular bondage, so sure he had some fear what man is capable to doing with just everything he is given .

ummm..it just so happens that in Acts 20, Paul wanted a large audience to preach to at Pentecost, he said he was gong to preach the gospel of grace, that is not about feasts, and besides, maybe the guy had friends he wanted to see? But the emphasis was on preaching grace, the gospel, not law of keeping feasts.

See here>>>>


Acts 20:22 And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by[c] the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, 23 except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. 24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.


That settles that.


Why didn't he go to keep feasts in Jerusalem for 14 years, as per Gal 2:1? Gee..


You are welcome to imagine, guess and speculate all about Abraham, and act like you know what he would do, and what God would do, etc.

I go by text.

 

[Frogster]

Here is a good example of the leaven of Gal 5:9 that Paul feared.

I guy goes up to e Messianic Rabbi, and asks..


Rabbi, do I have to keep the feasts?


Rabbi says no, but it would bless and please the Lord if you do.

There it is, an yes and a no answer, because now the guy thinks he is not pleasing the Lord, if he does not do feasts, law has now crept in.


Now of course, there are some MJ Rabbi's who will say, yes, you have to keep the feasts, we keep as much of the Torah as we can!


Even though they can't really keep the Torah.

 

[rick357]

Here is a good example of the leaven of Gal 5:9 that Paul feared.

I guy goes up to e Messianic Rabbi, and asks..

Rabbi, do I have to keep the feasts?

Rabbi says no, but it would bless and please the Lord if you do.

There it is, an yes and a no answer, because now the guy thinks he is not pleasing the Lord, if he does not do feasts, law has now crept in.

Now of course, there are some MJ Rabbi's who will say, yes, you have to keep the feasts, we keep as much of the Torah as we can!

Even though they can't really keep the Torah.

What if his answer is no...those things teach you who he is they are not mandates of action...learn of him and he will change your nature till you are as he is....is that also law

 

[jiminpa]

When I read a Christian book that shipwrecked my faith, was my faith shipwrecked because God was displeased or because I gave unbelief a place in my heart?

If I choose not to recognize the feasts, does it displease God or am I just refusing an opportunity to understand God better?

 

[murjahel]

Leviticus 23:23-28 (KJV)
23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.

There were three commands for the feast of trumpets:

1. Observe the first day of the seventh month as a special holy day to blow the two silver trumpets.
2. Do no unnecessary work on this day (Lev. 23:25).
3. Offer an offering made by fire on this day.

The seventh month was called Tishri by the Jews. The trumpets and their use are shown in Numbers 10:1-10. Two silver trumpets were sounded to announce this day. They were not blown throughout all Israel, but only over the sacrifices at the tabernacle.

The sacrifices were to be one young bullock, one ram, seven lambs, and one kid -- ten animals in all, besides the other sacrifices. (Numbers 29:1-6)

THE DAY OF ATONEMENT

Then on the tenth day of that same month, the day of atonement, occurred. On that day, the people were to have a holy convocation (assembly) to God, and afflict their souls (i.e. fast). An offering was made by fire to Jehovah. No work (except for priests to make sacrifices) on that day. Any who would not fast and repent on that day was to be cut off. It was to be a continual fast, celebrated each year on that day, forever. It was a holy day, beyond all others.

The offerings were to be (according to Numbers 29:7-11) one young bullock, one ram, seven lambs, and one kid for a sin offering. Also, in Lev. 16, we see that special offerings were also offered, making it different from any other feast day. This was the great day of atonement, when Aaron, the high priest, went into the holy of holies to make atonement for all Israel. He was to offer a young bullock for himself, two kids for the congregation, and a ram for an additional burnt offering.

Every day was a day of sacrifice at the tabernacle, but these two days were special, because at the end of this day of atonement, the high priest would enter the holy of holies, and there put the blood of atonement upon the ark of the covenant, upon its mercy seat.

The Day of Atonement is the 10th of Tishri, their seventh month. On this day, they were to fast, pray, and confess any and all sins. This day is often called ‘Yom Kippur’. The phrase means, in Hebrew, Yom = day, and Kapper = to cover over. This once a year fast day, was to be a day in which sins were covered over, restoring a relationship with God.

THE TRUMPET KEEP SOUNDING, ANNOUNCING OUR REDEMPTION

The trumpets keep sounding, the ‘day of atonement’ is no longer one day a year, but the trumpets keep sounding in our spiritual ears, ringing the redemption of our souls, reminding us from the Spirit of God, that we are the children of God. That constant ringing is continuing, and for eternity we will rejoice in the trumpeting.

We are currently in a time when we are, as Christians, all priests to God. Mankind that follow their own wills, their own cravings, and thereby sinning against God, need someone to restore relationship between them and God. A priest is a person who is in relationship with God, and can be a mediator, or ‘go-between’, between God and sinful mankind.

In the Old Testament, the qualifications of a priest are spelled out. God knew that mankind would fall into sin, and had provided temporary sacrifices for a priesthood to offer. The priests were the ones who were to have maintained a relationship with God, so they could assist others to find restoration also.

The priest was to ‘make propitiation for the sins of the people’ (Hebrews 2:17), and represent the people before God. The priesthood were mediators for the guilty, bringing their state before the merciful God.

Hebrews 5;1
“...every high priest ... is appointed for men.”

The sacrifices offered by the priesthood prefigured Jesus. Jesus was prefigured by the sacrifices, but also, the priests were a type of Jesus. All human priests sin, but Jesus is the sinless High Priest.

I Timothy 2:5
“There is only One God, and only One Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ.”

Isaiah 53:12
“...numbered with the transgressors, and He bare the sins of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

The High Priest entered the holy of holies once a year. Jesus entered, once and for all, and is seated at the right side of God, ever making intercession for us, always ready to restore close relationship with God. We often fail God, we need to come to the Lord, repent, and have relationship blessed by His mercy. No, we do not lose salvation for our failures, sins, weaknesses. We have an eternal trumpeting of the horns, silver trumpets sounding our eternal relationship with the Lord.

 

[NannaNae]

Acts 20:22 And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by[c] the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, 23 except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. 24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.


That settles that.


Why didn't he go to keep feasts in Jerusalem for 14 years, as per Gal 2:1? Gee..


You are welcome to imagine, guess and speculate all about Abraham, and act like you know what he would do, and what God would do, etc.

I go by text.

You are saying feast of pentecost has nothing to do with grace?
try telling that to the holy spirit!
Pauls life/ death/ subsequent bondage is his testimony of the gospel of grace and the salvation God offers .. I think you have completely taken his words out of context. he isn't going to preach grace to anyone he is proof of God's grace and pentecost ( first fruits) ..

 

[Frogster]

When I read a Christian book that shipwrecked my faith, was my faith shipwrecked because God was displeased or because I gave unbelief a place in my heart?

If I choose not to recognize the feasts, does it displease God or am I just refusing an opportunity to understand God better?

Christ in you the hope of Glory Col 1:27, not the feasts as the hope of glory.

 

[Frogster]

You are saying feast of pentecost has nothing do do with grace?
try telling that to the holy spirit!
Pauls life/ death/ subsequent bondage is his testimony of the gospel of grace and the salvation God offers .. I think you have completely taken his words out of context. he isn't going to preach grace to anyone he is proof of God's grace and pentecost ( first fruits) ..

no, you were making like he was going there to keep feasts, even though he did not go there for 14 years for feasts, or cleansing rituals, he went to preach the gospel, that was grace.

 

[Frogster]

Leviticus 23:23-28 (KJV)
23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.

There were three commands for the feast of trumpets:

1. Observe the first day of the seventh month as a special holy day to blow the two silver trumpets.
2. Do no unnecessary work on this day (Lev. 23:25).
3. Offer an offering made by fire on this day.

The seventh month was called Tishri by the Jews. The trumpets and their use are shown in Numbers 10:1-10. Two silver trumpets were sounded to announce this day. They were not blown throughout all Israel, but only over the sacrifices at the tabernacle.

The sacrifices were to be one young bullock, one ram, seven lambs, and one kid -- ten animals in all, besides the other sacrifices. (Numbers 29:1-6)

THE DAY OF ATONEMENT

Then on the tenth day of that same month, the day of atonement, occurred. On that day, the people were to have a holy convocation (assembly) to God, and afflict their souls (i.e. fast). An offering was made by fire to Jehovah. No work (except for priests to make sacrifices) on that day. Any who would not fast and repent on that day was to be cut off. It was to be a continual fast, celebrated each year on that day, forever. It was a holy day, beyond all others.

The offerings were to be (according to Numbers 29:7-11) one young bullock, one ram, seven lambs, and one kid for a sin offering. Also, in Lev. 16, we see that special offerings were also offered, making it different from any other feast day. This was the great day of atonement, when Aaron, the high priest, went into the holy of holies to make atonement for all Israel. He was to offer a young bullock for himself, two kids for the congregation, and a ram for an additional burnt offering.

Every day was a day of sacrifice at the tabernacle, but these two days were special, because at the end of this day of atonement, the high priest would enter the holy of holies, and there put the blood of atonement upon the ark of the covenant, upon its mercy seat.

The Day of Atonement is the 10th of Tishri, their seventh month. On this day, they were to fast, pray, and confess any and all sins. This day is often called ‘Yom Kippur’. The phrase means, in Hebrew, Yom = day, and Kapper = to cover over. This once a year fast day, was to be a day in which sins were covered over, restoring a relationship with God.

THE TRUMPET KEEP SOUNDING, ANNOUNCING OUR REDEMPTION

The trumpets keep sounding, the ‘day of atonement’ is no longer one day a year, but the trumpets keep sounding in our spiritual ears, ringing the redemption of our souls, reminding us from the Spirit of God, that we are the children of God. That constant ringing is continuing, and for eternity we will rejoice in the trumpeting.

We are currently in a time when we are, as Christians, all priests to God. Mankind that follow their own wills, their own cravings, and thereby sinning against God, need someone to restore relationship between them and God. A priest is a person who is in relationship with God, and can be a mediator, or ‘go-between’, between God and sinful mankind.

In the Old Testament, the qualifications of a priest are spelled out. God knew that mankind would fall into sin, and had provided temporary sacrifices for a priesthood to offer. The priests were the ones who were to have maintained a relationship with God, so they could assist others to find restoration also.

The priest was to ‘make propitiation for the sins of the people’ (Hebrews 2:17), and represent the people before God. The priesthood were mediators for the guilty, bringing their state before the merciful God.

Hebrews 5;1
“...every high priest ... is appointed for men.”

The sacrifices offered by the priesthood prefigured Jesus. Jesus was prefigured by the sacrifices, but also, the priests were a type of Jesus. All human priests sin, but Jesus is the sinless High Priest.

I Timothy 2:5
“There is only One God, and only One Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ.”

Isaiah 53:12
“...numbered with the transgressors, and He bare the sins of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

The High Priest entered the holy of holies once a year. Jesus entered, once and for all, and is seated at the right side of God, ever making intercession for us, always ready to restore close relationship with God. We often fail God, we need to come to the Lord, repent, and have relationship blessed by His mercy. No, we do not lose salvation for our failures, sins, weaknesses. We have an eternal trumpeting of the horns, silver trumpets sounding our eternal relationship with the Lord.

red above? Who was he talking to, the church, or Jewish people under the old cov commands?


They were not given to the church...especially gentiles.

Gentiles could not even do feasts, unless they became Jewish to do so, according to the law.


Institution of the Passover
Exodus 12:43-48 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the statute of the Passover: no foreigner shall eat of it, 44 but every slave that is bought for money may eat of it after you have circumcised him. 45 No foreigner or hired servant may eat of it. 46 It shall be eaten in one house; you shall not take any of the flesh outside the house, and you shall not break any of its bones. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.


Passover of the Gentiles, or Jews?

John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves


Who was it for???



2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.



Paul did not want the church messing with all of that, I posted my facts.

 

[NannaNae]

oops

 

[NannaNae]

no, you were making like he was going there to keep feasts, even though he did not go there for 14 years for feasts, or cleansing rituals, he went to preach the gospel, that was grace.

Testify is not Preach frog!



and you don't know he didn't do the feast when not in Jerusalem. ... isn't that just what you want to believe. He was obviously going there then to celebrate the feasts..
' someday you need to apologies to the holy spirit. pretending somehow that Paul was more capable of
preaching grace
than the spirit is at teaching it.
especially when he was talking about his life as a testimony..
Paul didn't not go to Jerusalem to preach grace but to be an example of God's spirit of love and grace that changes lives to the jewish leaders . him being one of the first fruits of the kingdom.

you are wrong frog.

 

[Frogster]

and you don't know he didn't do the feast ... isn't that just what you want to believe. he was obviously going there then to celebrate the feasts..
' someday you need to apologies to the holy spirit. pretending somehow that Paul was more capable of
preaching grace
than the spirit is at teaching it.
Paul didn't not go to jerusalem to preach grace but to be an example of God's love and grace to the jewish leaders .

you are wrong frog.

Sorry, but i posted facts, you are just specualting.

He said to finish the ministry from the Lord, was that the gospel of grace, or go keep feasts?

22 And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by[c] the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there,


24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.

case closed...

 

[NannaNae]

you have nothing! one verse about fear.. i'm done.

 

[Frogster]

what was the ministry?

 

[Frogster]

Acts 20:25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again

Paul was always about grace, as per his ministry, the kingdom.


20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

Even in the synagogues..the gospel of grace that Jesus bore witness too, he was not about the feasts.


Acts 14 Now at Iconium they entered together into the Jewish synagogue and spoke in such a way that a great number of both Jews and Greeks believed. 2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers. 3 So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

 

[NannaNae]

pitiful!

 

[NannaNae]

a whole old testament that you have completely written off the whole thing.

I have no doubt that you have a new book all memorized..
the one called the laws of grace..
good luck with that froggy!

ps Grace won't save. the laws of grace won't save you.. Jesus does and I suggest we all get know him and not just his grace!

 

[Frogster]

oh.