The Fall feasts.

[jiminpa]

a whole old testament that you have completely written off the whole thing.

I have no doubt that you have a new book all memorized..
the one called the laws of grace..
good luck with that froggy!

ps Grace won't save. the laws of grace won't save you.. Jesus does and I suggest we all get know him and not just his grace!

Highlighted! I think that pretty much sums it up well, especially the post script.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

a whole old testament that you have completely written off the whole thing.

I have no doubt that you have a new book all memorized..
the one called the laws of grace..
good luck with that froggy!

ps Grace won't save. the laws of grace won't save you.. Jesus does and I suggest we all get know him and not just his grace!

There is no 'laws of grace'. Are you obsessed with the laws of the OT that you see laws where they don't exist?

This is the stuff that Paul warned about in action. Paul was so right about this.

 

[probinson]

There is no 'laws of grace'. Are you obsessed with the laws of the OT that you see laws where they don't exist?

If you agree that one CANNOT celebrate the feasts, then you have created a new 'law' and infringed on other's freedom whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

 

[NannaNae]

Ephesian 2
James 2

Jhn 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Jhn 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

removing half the bible and walking in fear of his law is yet another law exactly like the regulations of the law that Jesus did away with.

the heart of man is evil and will find anyway it can to find a formula that saves them..
instead of obedience to HIM ONLY > KNOW HIM > he is salvation.. know him in all his ways > only then is there no fear.

 

[NannaNae]

you sure don't have to do the feasts now..
but someday you will do the feasts if you are saved.
because his feasts will be for his people in his kingdom.
like it or not.



Zec 14:16
¶
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

He appears to be very serious about it too.


2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

it does seem righteousness/ right standing is the goal.

 

[NannaNae]

I was reading this earlier today about all the confusion about law and grace..
he has some good points I think.

Dynamics of the Everlasting Gospel 10: Law and Grace (Part 1)

 

[Frogster]

There is no 'laws of grace'. Are you obsessed with the laws of the OT that you see laws where they don't exist?

This is the stuff that Paul warned about in action. Paul was so right about this.

Greetings and salutations!

 

[Frogster]

you sure don't have to do the feasts now..
but someday you will do the feasts if you are saved.
because his feasts will be for his people in his kingdom.
like it or not.



Zec 14:16
¶
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
He appears to be very serious about it too.


2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

it does seem righteousness/ right standing is the goal.

lol..read zech 14, it is totally against NT theology to subjugate us to Judaistic feasts. It says in Zech, if they don't keep the feasts, punishment, it is in the red above..

How do you square that one?


Why did Paul fight off judaism, if it was coming back?

 

[Frogster]

If you agree that one CANNOT celebrate the feasts, then you have created a new 'law' and infringed on other's freedom whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

besides, unlike how some people are taught that they grow, or get closer to God, that is what Paul said they do not do.

Why do you think he said that God causes the growth?


because the teachers no doubt said we grow, through them, or get closer to God, both of those notions are contradicted here..



19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

 

[NannaNae]

"Why did Paul fight off judaism, if it was coming back?" says froggy 1:1 in the books of the laws of grace .
Paul fought off the regulations of the law imposed by men.. now days it is the regulations of the laws of grace and regulations of the laws of Love imposed my men. and those who do not know either.

you are now the one saying do not read . do not touch .. do not >>>>>>>> why are you so afraid of anything if you walk in faith with him?

…20If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!" 22(which all refer to things destined to perish with use)-- in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?…
you are like don't read the old testement, don't do the feast.
( but you can do pagan? because you are not under jewish law ... your under your own laws.. )

he died so that we are not subjected to anyones regulations of laws , and laws of his grace too. only his laws m through him and his strength to overcome in you . and his faithfulness to bring you to righteousness/ right standing to his Father .
his kingdom come. his will be done..
His kingdom is the kingdom of David and like Paul who is hoping to be counted worthy of the first resurrection.
you know not all
"christians" will be invited to that 1000 years right ?

some will wait for the last resurrection and taking their odds at the great white thrown.

paul says
I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, and , somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead. (Philippians 3:10,11)

I wonder what makes some as paul say' to Attain' to the first resurrection ?

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4-6)

all who except his salvation but are not raised at the first resurrection will be saved by grace they hope on the last day/////// the last day which is probably after the 1000 year reign before or at the time of the war with satan and the saints again after satan is released after the thousand years.
The question becomes who will be Blessed and holy to attain and who will not attain the first resurrection into his kingdom , to live with him in his kingdom of David on earth for 1000 years ? might I suggest it is those who prove to love him and others and thus proved to really want it !

so what does blessed and holy mean to Paul? he is no longer talking salvation but the 1000 reign , the first resurrection , that is not about salvation. ..
so what does blessed and holy mean to Paul as he hopes to ATTAIN TO the first resurrection ..
not your or my opinions do not matter ! but what did that mean to Paul and Jesus ,what is their opinions of the meaning of 'Attain to' and "blessed and holy " to them ? if Paul is worried about it might I suggest we should be too if we want to be there for the 1000 years. there is way more than salvation at stake with our choices froggy!

if you don't want to live in his veruy jewish...kingdom ... then everyone can take your odds at the Great White Thrown I guess.


but because of this scriptures which say

Mar 12:23
In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

Mar 12:24
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Mar 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Mar 12:26
And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Mar 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

how can you be dead in spirit/ spiritual sleep ( or what ever is going on ) for the 1000 years and be Alive like Abraham who is alive now in heaven ? He is God of the living who's names are in the book of LIFE , because they LIVE .. and they don't need to be woke up.. they are already alive. yes he wakes the dead to judge them and some may be saved.. but how many ? these scriptures proved to me I had big race to run.. a marathon and it was going to take all I had to finish it alive and alive in him.

I became willing to at least try to know Him and His suffering and HIS LIFE like Paul did . so "the good news " is because of his rejection of the jews for a little while of which I am very thankful to him and them for that right.., I get enter that race , I get to run that race.. I sure sure hope I finish alive .. and finish it at my best would be really great too!

I suggest we use the WHOLE BIBLE to understand what that these things mean to Paul and Jesus.
2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

yes you will be saved by his Grace froggy,,, probably ... the question is during the first resurrection or taking odds on grace alone at the end of the last day( which is probably the end of the 7th day and at the last war with satan..)?
but since you don't like his kingdom or how he speaks to his people his times and season , I think I would be very worried about it froggy, like way more than Paul is.

 

[murjahel]

THE FEASTS WILL STILL BE CELEBRATED IN THE MILLENNIAL, AND NEW EARTH AGES

When the "feasts" were instituted, they were "His feasts." God instituted and commanded them in the Old Testament. Yet, even before the new covenant, wherein they are being fulfilled prophetically, they became "a feast of the Jews" (John 5:1). They had become hollow and meaningless ritual. The misuse, misunderstanding, the doing them without sincerity, had made God turn from accepting them as worship and teaching.

Isaiah 1:11-15
"...YOUR APPOINTED FEASTS, MY SOUL HATETH..."


People had lost the complete meaning and teaching of the feasts. The feasts had become corrupted. The people had become corrupted.

However, in the last days we receive a fresh revelation of prophetic truth. It is that fulfillment of prophetic truth that we will find in the study of the feasts.


God allowed a number of the "feast" days to be possibilities for certain future events. They not only celebrated some event of history, they prophetically spoke of a coming event of the new covenant time.

Some have chosen the first of Tishri as being likely for the rapture, and some have chosen the fifteenth of Nisan. Still others will choose the day of Pentecost (the sixth of Sivan) to be the most likely. There are points of argument for each date. God has made the "feasts" to be possibilities. We can study and determine which is the most likely, but our best guess may be incorrect. Still, the study of these feasts, and the "guesstimations" are intriguing.

Isaiah 42:9
"BEHOLD THE FORMER THINGS HAVE COME TO PASS, NEW THINGS I DECLARE UNTO YOU, BEFORE THEY SPRING FORTH, I TELL YOU OF THEM."

The Jewish nation went year to year to celebrate some of these feasts. These celebrated different epochs in their history.

1. The feast of the Passover, commemorated their departure from Egypt. Prophetically, it pictured the coming of Jesus as the Lamb to be offered for release from our captivity in sins.

2. The feast of Pentecost was in commemoration of the giving of the law upon Mount Sinai. It spoke prophetically of the giving of the Holy Spirit in the new grace covenant.

3. The feast of tabernacles was in commemoration of their wandering forty years in the wilderness. It spoke prophetically to the Lord’s coming to abide with us in this wilderness world.

This last feast, the feast of tabernacles, according to Zechariah, will be celebrated for all ages to come, and the others will still speak prophetically to us.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (KJV)
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This feast of tabernacles will, in the millennium and on the new earth, be celebrated by not just the Jewish people, but by all nations. It originally only had significance to the Jewish people, but its fulfillment in Jesus’ coming to this earth, is something even we Gentiles we always want to celebrate.

The other two great yearly feasts, Passover and Pentecost, are not specified, here by Zechariah, but I will want to celebrate Jesus’ death and resurrection, pictured and shadowed by the Passover, and celebrate the coming of the Holy Spirit, on Pentecost. The shadows have been fulfilled, and celebration of them will be natural.

The feasts were ‘seed’ revelations, now blooming as trees in the garden of prophecy. We will celebrate them.... All of them... Not for the same reasons as many thought, not corrupting them as many did, but in sincerity and in truth, we will continue to celebrate them for eternity.

 

[Frogster]

THE FEASTS WILL STILL BE CELEBRATED IN THE MILLENNIAL, AND NEW EARTH AGES

When the "feasts" were instituted, they were "His feasts." God instituted and commanded them in the Old Testament. Yet, even before the new covenant, wherein they are being fulfilled prophetically, they became "a feast of the Jews" (John 5:1). They had become hollow and meaningless ritual. The misuse, misunderstanding, the doing them without sincerity, had made God turn from accepting them as worship and teaching.

Isaiah 1:11-15
"...YOUR APPOINTED FEASTS, MY SOUL HATETH..."


People had lost the complete meaning and teaching of the feasts. The feasts had become corrupted. The people had become corrupted.

However, in the last days we receive a fresh revelation of prophetic truth. It is that fulfillment of prophetic truth that we will find in the study of the feasts.


God allowed a number of the "feast" days to be possibilities for certain future events. They not only celebrated some event of history, they prophetically spoke of a coming event of the new covenant time.

Some have chosen the first of Tishri as being likely for the rapture, and some have chosen the fifteenth of Nisan. Still others will choose the day of Pentecost (the sixth of Sivan) to be the most likely. There are points of argument for each date. God has made the "feasts" to be possibilities. We can study and determine which is the most likely, but our best guess may be incorrect. Still, the study of these feasts, and the "guesstimations" are intriguing.

Isaiah 42:9
"BEHOLD THE FORMER THINGS HAVE COME TO PASS, NEW THINGS I DECLARE UNTO YOU, BEFORE THEY SPRING FORTH, I TELL YOU OF THEM."

The Jewish nation went year to year to celebrate some of these feasts. These celebrated different epochs in their history.

1. The feast of the Passover, commemorated their departure from Egypt. Prophetically, it pictured the coming of Jesus as the Lamb to be offered for release from our captivity in sins.

2. The feast of Pentecost was in commemoration of the giving of the law upon Mount Sinai. It spoke prophetically of the giving of the Holy Spirit in the new grace covenant.

3. The feast of tabernacles was in commemoration of their wandering forty years in the wilderness. It spoke prophetically to the Lord’s coming to abide with us in this wilderness world.

This last feast, the feast of tabernacles, according to Zechariah, will be celebrated for all ages to come, and the others will still speak prophetically to us.

Zechariah 14:16-19 (KJV)
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

This feast of tabernacles will, in the millennium and on the new earth, be celebrated by not just the Jewish people, but by all nations. It originally only had significance to the Jewish people, but its fulfillment in Jesus’ coming to this earth, is something even we Gentiles we always want to celebrate.
The other two great yearly feasts, Passover and Pentecost, are not specified, here by Zechariah, but I will want to celebrate Jesus’ death and resurrection, pictured and shadowed by the Passover, and celebrate the coming of the Holy Spirit, on Pentecost. The shadows have been fulfilled, and celebration of them will be natural.

The feasts were ‘seed’ revelations, now blooming as trees in the garden of prophecy. We will celebrate them.... All of them... Not for the same reasons as many thought, not corrupting them as many did, but in sincerity and in truth, we will continue to celebrate them for eternity.

Red above, how is punishment which forces subjugation, a "celebration"?

This is so speculatory it just amazes me.


No more feasts. Lets not forget, they, the apostles, thought the Lord's return was soon, so according to your end days theology, the feasts were coming back soon, so why did Hebrews, and the other writings of Paul, fight off something that was right around the corner? Why would they fight off the Temple, if the millennial one was about to return, with sin offerings, and the levitical priesthood, an sin sacrfices and all of that about to come back? By the way, it's not going to happen, sin offerings again, feasts? Oh my!

Why are no other feasts mentioned in Zech?

I mean if you're going to bring them back, why just one?

How is everyone going to fit there in tiny jerusalem, millions of people and their little booths?

Lets try to see that Judaism is over, it is not for the church, it never was, and won't be in the future.


Jer 3:16 And when you have multiplied and been fruitful in the land, in those days, declares the Lord, they shall no more say, “The ark of the covenant of the Lord.” It shall not come to mind or be remembered or missed; it shall not be made again.

 

[Frogster]

Ok, so the feasts, the Sabbath, and the temple were just for the Jewish people. It all ended, but then, centuries later, Gentiles are forced to now partake of just one feast?


Why would they now be forced, by means of the fear of punishment, for not keeping an 1 abolished feast?

Subjugation is what Islamic people to do, not Christians.

 

[Frogster]

Now lets see grace, that, that is for the coming ages, all generations, and the glory will be through the church, not feasts.


Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

where, the church!



Eoh 3:21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

 

[NannaNae]

" not man made temples, or feasts.: froggy 1:2 (the one abolished on earth , not the one in heaven )
"for not keeping an 1 abolished feast" those are your words..froggy 1:3

ps there is and has always been a temple in heaven/ his dimension. that is where your prayers go by the way . where his blood was sprinkled and where he will rule from in the 1000 years ,when it comes to earth. he is our priest , right now.. but he is not there not always , not when he is king of his kingdom.. he will have priests and a kingdom of priest actually..

 

[Frogster]

" not man made temples, or feasts.: froggy 1:2
"for not keeping an 1 abolished feast" those are your words..froggy 1:3

ps there is and has always been a temple in heaven/ his dimension. that is where your prayer go by the way . where his blood was sprinkled and where he will rule from in the 1000 years ,when it comes to earth. he is our priest , right now.. but he is not there not always , not when he is king of his kingdom.. he will have priests and kingdom of priest actually..

the ezek one is man made. And gentiles are not allowed in again!


well, where are the other feasts?

 

[NannaNae]

"How is everyone going to fit there in tiny jerusalem, millions of people and their little booths?" that is almost blasphemy...
you claim to have the faith of Abraham yet you don't look for the city made without human hands like Abraham searched for . you have not one clue what Jerusalem will be even in the thousand years , you have had no vision of it, not any longing for it.. and no understanding of it. .. and that is sad froggy. I find no proof you want to be resurrected at the first resurrection.
you don't like him because he is formost The king of the jews.. and you don't like his city and know nothing of it.. and you don't like his laws and you don't like....a lot of stuff that is all about him ..

i'm done.. this is just getting too weird.

 

[NannaNae]

the ezek one is man made. And gentiles are not allowed in again!

well, where are the other feasts?

it is not man made! and it is a temple!

 

[NannaNae]

"well, where are the other feasts?" maybe keep reading EZE until you get it..

 

[Frogster]

"How is everyone going to fit there in tiny jerusalem, millions of people and their little booths?" that is almost blasphemy...
you claim to have the faith of Abraham yet you don't look for the city made without human hands like Abraham searched for . you have not one clue what Jerusalem will be even in the thousand years , you have had no vision of it, not any longing for it.. and no understanding of it. .. and that is sad froggy. I find no proof you want to be resurrected at the first resurrection.
you don't like him because he is formost The king of the jews.. and you don't like his city and know nothing of it.. and you don't like his laws and you don't like....a lot of stuff that is all about him ..

i'm done.. this is just getting too weird.

so millions of little sheds scattered about?