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The premise of Marcionism is that many of the teachings of Christ are incompatible with the actions of the God of the Old Testament. Focusing on the Pauline traditions of the Gospel, Marcion felt that all other conceptions of the Gospel, and especially any association with the Old Testament religion, was opposed to, and a backsliding from, the truth. He further regarded the arguments of Paul regarding law and gospel, wrath and grace, works and faith, flesh and spirit, sin and righteousness, death and life, as the essence of religious truth. He ascribed these aspects and characteristics as two principles, the righteous and wrathful God of the Old Testament, who is at the same time identical with the creator of the world, and a second God of the Gospel, quite unknown before Christ, who is only love and mercy.

This is where you get the 'UNTIL' Messiah teaching. That the law was 'until' Messiah then after his coming it was abolished, along with the nation, and now we have a neutered God (no mention of Yisrael) King (no mention of Yisrael or Jews) and Savior of the world (as if Yisrael has be discharged from being the belly button to being the dung). Where all believers go to a mystical etheral place called heaven and we all float and play harps as we have no memory of the past and all those who didn't make it to this little nirvana. Angels have wings and ice cream cones grow on trees. Gold is pouring down like rain and we all are rid of that pesky physicallity, and the nation of Yisrael is the footstool that was used to reach this place that will never come to earth.
 
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