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The Evolution of Civilization

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Civilization did not evolve, it was instituted by God. The Black Plague was a prime example if people do not follow the directions of God then they are going to be destroyed by disease and death.

The medical profession wants me to follow a very strict diet because they feels this is going to lead to good health. That is exactly what the Bible teaches. We need to eat right if we want to be healthy. There is no conflict between true science and a proper understanding of the Bible. They are in total harmony. Religion and Science is like our left and right hand to guide us through life. The Bible helps us to understand Science and Science helps us to understand the Bible.

And that claim does not destroy evolution.
And you STILL haven't shown how Moses' sanitation laws would have prevented the spread of the Black Plague, an airborne contagion.
 
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Maybe you should share with us all the wonderfull biblically suggested treatment for leprocy. It's in Leviticus. I'll let you do the honors.
Are you suggesting that you want to do a study on the Infidel Bible? In order to understand the Bible you have to have the Mind of Christ and think the Divine Thoughts of God. That is why you must be born again and a new creation in Christ.
 
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Except you DID say that you can't have a city without civil engineering. See post #18
It is commonly believed that when the civilizations of Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and Hebrews faded that the world passed through the dark ages. In this case England was a city founded by the Brittians under the control of the Romans. When the Romans lost their control the Anglo-Saxons barbarians moved in. It was not until the enlightenment that Sanitary Engineering was restored.

Even without an understanding of germs, many ancient civilizations had a good understanding of the need for careful sewage disposal, but this knowledge was lost or ignored in the Middle Ages in Europe. The result was terrible sanitary conditions, polluted waterways, and periodic outbreaks of disease.

One of the greatest advances of the modern era was the recognition that disease could be caused by pathogens, and that poor sanitary conditions were a prime culprit in the spread of disease. Sanitary engineers in the nineteenth century were in the forefront of developing sanitary sewer systems that protected the public from epidemics of cholera and other water-borne illness.
 
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And that claim does not destroy evolution.
I did construction work for around 20 years and then I want into the knife business. For me a knife is a tool. In the hand of a doctor a knife can remove corruption and bring about life and health and healing. For some a knife is a deadly weapon used for death and destruction.

Science and even Evolution theory tends to be neutral. It is up to each and every individual if they want to use the theory of evolution for good or for evil. This is a choice or a decision each person is required to make if they want to abide in the truth.

Just like there is an Infidel Bible called the skeptics bible. They take the Bible and they try to explain the Bible with their corrupted infidel thinking. To properly understand the Bible you have to have the Mind of Christ and think the Divine Thoughts of God. You have to be born again. The Holy Spirit of God becomes our Teacher to guide us and lead us into the truth.

Francis Collins for example is a Theistic Evolutionist and a leading expert on the science of DNA. So he is highly respected in his opinions and his understanding of Science and Evolution Theory.

"Science will tell me a lot about how things work. It will not tell me why we are all here, what the purpose is in life or what happens after we die. For that, I need my faith. And I'm grateful to be able to draw upon both of those ways of knowing in order to have a full appreciation of the wonderful gift of life that we've been given."

Read more at 'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'
 
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Nope. He brought it up. He can list it here.
In Bible College we are taught that we can not teach the truth. People have to discover the truth for themselves. WE can only help them along the way on their road to discovery. If people do not want to know the truth then that is their choice. God gives them the freedom to choose. He gives us free will. People can only truly love God if they are free to make a choice NOT to love God and not follow after the truth, life, liberty and freedom.
 
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In Bible College we are taught that we can not teach the truth. People have to discover the truth for themselves. WE can only help them along the way on their road to discovery. If people do not want to know the truth then that is their choice. God gives them the freedom to choose. He gives us free will. People can only truly love God if they are free to make a choice NOT to love God and not follow after the truth, life, liberty and freedom.

Truth can be demonstrated. If it isn't demonstrated, it is opinion.
 
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It is commonly believed that when the civilizations of Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and Hebrews faded that the world passed through the dark ages. In this case England was a city founded by the Brittians under the control of the Romans. When the Romans lost their control the Anglo-Saxons barbarians moved in. It was not until the enlightenment that Sanitary Engineering was restored.

Even without an understanding of germs, many ancient civilizations had a good understanding of the need for careful sewage disposal, but this knowledge was lost or ignored in the Middle Ages in Europe. The result was terrible sanitary conditions, polluted waterways, and periodic outbreaks of disease.

One of the greatest advances of the modern era was the recognition that disease could be caused by pathogens, and that poor sanitary conditions were a prime culprit in the spread of disease. Sanitary engineers in the nineteenth century were in the forefront of developing sanitary sewer systems that protected the public from epidemics of cholera and other water-borne illness.

And that has nothing to do with your claim that cities can only come about because of civil engineering!
 
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I did construction work for around 20 years and then I want into the knife business. For me a knife is a tool. In the hand of a doctor a knife can remove corruption and bring about life and health and healing. For some a knife is a deadly weapon used for death and destruction.

Science and even Evolution theory tends to be neutral. It is up to each and every individual if they want to use the theory of evolution for good or for evil. This is a choice or a decision each person is required to make if they want to abide in the truth.

Just like there is an Infidel Bible called the skeptics bible. They take the Bible and they try to explain the Bible with their corrupted infidel thinking. To properly understand the Bible you have to have the Mind of Christ and think the Divine Thoughts of God. You have to be born again. The Holy Spirit of God becomes our Teacher to guide us and lead us into the truth.

Francis Collins for example is a Theistic Evolutionist and a leading expert on the science of DNA. So he is highly respected in his opinions and his understanding of Science and Evolution Theory.

"Science will tell me a lot about how things work. It will not tell me why we are all here, what the purpose is in life or what happens after we die. For that, I need my faith. And I'm grateful to be able to draw upon both of those ways of knowing in order to have a full appreciation of the wonderful gift of life that we've been given."

Read more at 'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

You made the claim that the creation of cities destroys evolution. Why do you keep going off on non-sequitur like this and completely ignore important things that people say?
I don't care about Francis Collins. I don't care about your own personal faith. I care about your claim that the creation of cities destroys evolution. Are you going to actually provide evidence to back up your claim?
 
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In Bible College we are taught that we can not teach the truth. People have to discover the truth for themselves. WE can only help them along the way on their road to discovery. If people do not want to know the truth then that is their choice. God gives them the freedom to choose. He gives us free will. People can only truly love God if they are free to make a choice NOT to love God and not follow after the truth, life, liberty and freedom.

So you made a claim, a claim that people have repeatedly asked you to provide evidence for... but you have ZERO intention of providing evidence for that claim.
Then why did you make that claim in the first place?
 
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You made the claim that the creation of cities destroys evolution. Why do you keep going off on non-sequitur like this and completely ignore important things that people say?
I don't care about Francis Collins. I don't care about your own personal faith. I care about your claim that the creation of cities destroys evolution. Are you going to actually provide evidence to back up your claim?

Funny thing is, the poster in question, has said he completely agree with Francis Collins take on evolution. And Collin's fully supports the theory of evolution.
 
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So you made a claim, a claim that people have repeatedly asked you to provide evidence for... but you have ZERO intention of providing evidence for that claim.
Then why did you make that claim in the first place?

Because that is what he does.
 
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In Bible College we are taught that we can not teach the truth. People have to discover the truth for themselves. WE can only help them along the way on their road to discovery. If people do not want to know the truth then that is their choice. God gives them the freedom to choose. He gives us free will. People can only truly love God if they are free to make a choice NOT to love God and not follow after the truth, life, liberty and freedom.
You forgot the pursuit of happiness.
 
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Even without an understanding of germs, many ancient civilizations had a good understanding of the need for careful sewage disposal, but this knowledge was lost or ignored in the Middle Ages in Europe. The result was terrible sanitary conditions, polluted waterways, and periodic outbreaks of disease.
You say that as if the Greeks and other societies you mentioned didn't have periodic outbreaks of disease... even though such occurrences are documented. Heck, the 1918-1920 flu epidemic was one of the worst modern outbreaks, with the unfortunate case being that this particular flu strain tended to kill off the young and relatively healthy (whereas with most diseases, the elderly and children tend to be most at risk). Periodic outbreaks are actually quite a typical experience, historically speaking. The Black Death was basically a plague that came at the worst possible time, following a long period of famine, which weakened the immune systems of vast numbers of people. It spread so quickly thanks to fleas carried by rats on merchant ships that went to highly populated areas, and was made even worse by also being an airborne disease. Additionally, there was the practice at the time in which diseased bodies would be hurled into castles that invading armies were laying siege to.

One of the greatest advances of the modern era was the recognition that disease could be caused by pathogens, and that poor sanitary conditions were a prime culprit in the spread of disease.
People had some ideas about how diseases spread even in the 1300s, which is why some cities enacted quarantines to reduce the spread of the Black Death, and why people often refused to go near the dead bodies to dispose of them.

Sanitary engineers in the nineteenth century were in the forefront of developing sanitary sewer systems that protected the public from epidemics of cholera and other water-borne illness.
Yeah, but the Black Death wasn't a water borne illness. The most sanitation would have done is limit the spread of the disease via the fleas on rats by limiting the food waste that would attract the rats. Also, those same sanitary engineers could do nothing to stop the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920
 
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Are you suggesting that you want to do a study on the Infidel Bible? In order to understand the Bible you have to have the Mind of Christ and think the Divine Thoughts of God. That is why you must be born again and a new creation in Christ.

No, I'm not suggesting anything. Instead, I'm calling your obvious nonsense out.
Go ahead, tell us all the "treatment" suggested for leprocy in leviticus.
 
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No I did not say... You are twisting my words and trying to build a straw man argument.

Yes, you did:

You can not have a city without civil engineering. That is why they had the Black Plague

It is, in fact, exactly what you said.
It's fine to retract it. It's fine to admit that you were wrong about that.

But please, don't lie.
 
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Truth can be demonstrated.
The Bible is a covenant between man and God. There is an old and a new covenant. All of the promises of God are conditional on our doing our part. If we do what we are responsible to do then we can be sure that God will do His part of the covenant. A good example of this is the marriage covenant between a man and his wife. If a man and his wife end up in a divorce that does not mean there is no truth or it simply means they never discovered the truth of what makes a marriage relationship work? God is not a genie in a bottle and he does not do it all for us. Our Heavenly Father expects us to grow up and be responsible. If we our part then we can have full assurance that God well do His part of the Covenant. For example, we know that physical therapy can bring about health and healing. But if we do not do our part then we can not expect to get results without paying the price. We know that a good education can get us a good job. But if we do not do our part to get an education, then we can not expect to get a good job. The way to death and destruction is a easy road to take. Many find that road. The way to life, health, healing, blessing and prosperity is a difficult way to travel. Few people are willing to do what is difficult.

Yes truth can be demonstrated. Not everyone has made the choice to abide in the truth. As Timothy says: "evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived."
 
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Go ahead, tell us all the "treatment" suggested for leprocy in leviticus.
In the Bible, the word leprosy is mentioned upwards of 40 times. What verse do you want to talk about? You can actually do a google search. There are lots of web pages on the internet that will help you with the subject of leprosy and the Bible. Of course if you're going to use the Skeptics Bible for your reference then you have made the choice to be a skeptic rather than a Child of God. A Child of God has the mind of Christ and they think the Divine thoughts of God. Skeptics, scoffers and infidels do not understand the Bible because they have not been born again and they are carnal - not spiritual in their thinking.

A Child of God can qualify for all the promises of God. A person who rejects God's offer of salvation can not expect to receive anything from God.
 
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