The evidence for Evolution.

[Speedwell]

It would be senseless for me to ask you to prove that or for me to attempt to prove otherwise, as long winded discussion on the issue never gets anyone anywhere, so I'll just stick to the Christian Biblical basics.

Don't get above yourself. Stick to Fundamentalist Protestant Christian Bible basics.

God did it...

Yes, I think so, too. I just don't think He did it six days six thousand years ago.

 

[Alithis]

Even if Darwinian evolution is true we still need an explanation for the initial cause of the irreducibly complex biological life which would have then allowed Darwinian evolution to begin taking place. The fact that science cannot yet explain that is telling.

Lets say biological life is like a jack in the box(irreducibly complex). Evolution is not responsible for the function of the jack in the box, but it could be thought of as the process of the jack in the box popping open and changing from one form to another.

The real question here is who or what is responsible for the function of the jack in the box, regardless of whether or not Darwinian evolution is true or not?

It seems Darwinian evolutionists would rather ignore this all important question because it actually has nothing to do with their theory.

We need no such explanations,because it isnt true.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You will say what you will but, IMO, no.... you shouldn't.

It is a lie in every way, shape and form.

So, then, what do you think science says that isn't a lie?

 

[Alithis]

Don't get above yourself. Stick to Fundamentalist Protestant Christian Bible basics.


Yes, I think so, too. I just don't think He did it six days six thousand years ago.

Because he could not possibly be telling the truth..!
I often wonder in light of such a mindset. When he returns and the heavens roll up like a scroll to reveal him..in your opinion how many millions of years will this take to transpire ?after all if your going to apply that reasoming to his word you'll have to do so consistantly .

 

[Kenny'sID]

Don't get above yourself. Stick to Fundamentalist Protestant Christian Bible basics.

?

Yes, I think so, too. I just don't think He did it six days six thousand years ago.

Oh, you are one of the, we are in the time of great education, and smarter than those of the past, and maybe even smarter than God who told you how it was done?

Or in short, then you don't believe the bible in full, you are a pick and chooser when it comes to scripture.

Doesn't sound too solid to me, but OK.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So, then, what do you think science says that isn't a lie?

I haven't got the rest of my life to spend on one question.

Yes, that many things. I love science.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I haven't got the rest of my life to spend on one question.

Yes, that many things. I love science.

And if it's any comfort, Darwin wouldn't have said that his theory of evolution counted as a "supreme truth." There is a difference between physical phenomena that are recognized as "facts" on a human level of perception and the assertion of absolute truth. Evolution is not a lie, but neither is the Theory of Evolution a Supreme truth.

 

[Kenny'sID]

And if it's any comfort, Darwin wouldn't have said that his theory of evolution counted as a "supreme truth."

Oh, I know, and I would hope not.

However, there are those here, the video, and many more that claim it as such.

Somehow the reality was lost in time, but I'm not surprised, it's how Satan's illusion creeps up on us without notice. It is by design to disprove God in the end. Some may try to work it into Christianity now as part of the ruse, but the ultimate outcome and purpose is clear to some.

 

[Chriliman]

We need no such explanations,because it isnt true.

You may have missed my point. My point is that whether or not evolution is true has no bearing on God being responsible for biological life.

IOW, He is the initial causer regardless if evolution took place or not.

 

[Alithis]

You may have missed my point. My point is that whether or not evolution is true has no bearing on God being responsible for biological life.

IOW, He is the initial causer regardless if evolution took place or not.

and if we are around in another 10 million years (which we wont be here ) then and only then will any man be able to present evidence of that which is nothing more then man made theories .in the mean time we are bombarded with falsehood and misrepresentation .. the entire promise behind the theory is an attempt to disprove god .so why you want to join in with that i do not know .your trying to fellowship with it, trying to gain a middle ground but that middle ground will be forever a tainted place of half truth and ambiguity . we either take god at his word or we do not .

 

[CrystalDragon]

and if we are around in another 10 million years (which we wont be here ) then and only then will any man be able to present evidence of that which is nothing more then man made theories .in the mean time we are bombarded with falsehood and misrepresentation .. the entire promise behind the theory is an attempt to disprove god .so why you want to join in with that i do not know .your trying to fellowship with it, trying to gain a middle ground but that middle ground will be forever a tainted place of half truth and ambiguity . we either take god at his word or we do not .

There are people who believe in both evolution and God.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are people who believe in both evolution and God.

Ask them if Jesus is a great ape.

 

[Chriliman]

and if we are around in another 10 million years (which we wont be here ) then and only then will any man be able to present evidence of that which is nothing more then man made theories .in the mean time we are bombarded with falsehood and misrepresentation .. the entire promise behind the theory is an attempt to disprove god .so why you want to join in with that i do not know .your trying to fellowship with it, trying to gain a middle ground but that middle ground will be forever a tainted place of half truth and ambiguity . we either take god at his word or we do not .

Sorry, I'm having trouble explaining myself my point is that even if evolution is true it does not and can never disprove God because it's defined as an effect of biological life not a cause of biological life.

I'm with you in believing God is the causer/creator of biological life and I take Him at his word when he says we are made in His image.

 

[mark kennedy]

The evidence for Evolution presented by Darwin nicely and concisely compiled by a historian (at

First of all she's an historian if Biology and notice she comes straight off with Darwin and universal common descent. She offers absolutely nothing evidential but rather the consensus of biologists since the 1870s. One more point you can't get through people's heads is that creationism can't be taught in the public schools because of the establishment clause.

It would be lovely if people would learn those three basic facts

 

[USincognito]

...man made theories

I didn't realize there were any others.

in the mean time we are bombarded with falsehood and misrepresentation

The Creationists here sure are long on rhetoric and bloviation and light on citations and examples. Do you have any of these supposed falsehoods and misrepresentations?

the entire promise behind the theory is an attempt to disprove god

Insipid hyperbole. Science is not in the business of addressing the supernatural because it cannot. Plate tectonic theory doesn't mention God. Germ Theory of Disease doesn't mention God. Dynamo Theory doesn't mention God. Why single out evolution for your outrage? You should be angry at all of science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is not in the business of addressing the supernatural because it cannot.

Science is myopic.

You should be angry at all of science.

Or the muses that set the pace for modern science.

 

[Zoii]

In what way?

Good science has evidence eg the force of gravity = mg2. I think we accept most science... if its good science I accept it all, including big bang and evolution. But Big bang begins with a singularity - where did the singularity appear from. String theorists say theres a universal energy and dipped causing the singularity.... lol now Im not super-good on this theory so I might be inaccurate - but I can already see how God has a hand in the science.

 

[Alithis]

I didn't realize there were any others.



The Creationists here sure are long on rhetoric and bloviation and light on citations and examples. Do you have any of these supposed falsehoods and misrepresentations?



Insipid hyperbole. Science is not in the business of addressing the supernatural because it cannot. Plate tectonic theory doesn't mention God. Germ Theory of Disease doesn't mention God. Dynamo Theory doesn't mention God. Why single out evolution for your outrage? You should be angry at all of science.

oh i am . and people who have feet in both camps.

 

[Speedwell]

oh i am . and people who have feet in both camps.

How can that be? I suspect that no one who accepts the theory of evolution belongs to your sect of Christianity.

 

[Alithis]

How can that be? I suspect that no one who accepts the theory of evolution belongs to your sect of Christianity.

Lol,my sect? That would be those that believe Gods word over mans.