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God didn't do a memory wipe with me, so I can still remember, though it was a while ago.How can I imagine not being an elect, if the non-elect hate God? I wouldn't care, I would ride on that rebellion to the very gates of hell itself...
No Paul is addressing the Gentiles who were grafted in as a people could also be cut off. He used the comparison over three chapters.We need only take the point as far as it is written. The writer warns his audience that they can be cut off just as others had been cut off. They cannot be both predestined and subject to being cut off at the same time.
No Paul is addressing the Gentiles who were grafted in as a people could also be cut off. He used the comparison over three chapters.
The answer is in an expository examination of the teaching.So does that answer the question as to whether they were elect or whether they were not elect?
Just what list are you talking about?...Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.
God didn't do a memory wipe with me, so I can still remember, though it was a while ago.
Non sense.We need only take the point as far as it is written. The writer warns his audience that they can be cut off just as others had been cut off....... They cannot be both predestined and subject to being cut off at the same time.
Non sense.
A final result can be predestined and the various steps along the way which lead to that predestined result can be predestined as well.
The answer is in an expository examination of the teaching.
If you want to make your point on the elect as something that is fungible, then Romans chapters 9-11 must be addressed. Not a few verses. Paul does compare “groups” as in Israel and Gentiles but also addressed individuals in the text.
You happened to pick verses which addressed groups and not individuals.
Which leaves us at the original question: Who are the elect?
The elect are His sheep. They are the ones He saves and keeps. Those predestined won't fall away. I don't know who is elect but the elect know they have eternal life. We share the gospel message with everyone.
1 Corinthians 3
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
No, the people at the prayer meeting are gossips who have nothing better to do with their time and prayers so they gossip about who is saved or not saved in their opinion.So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not?
They do not know they just offer their opinions and gossip.I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved?
No, nothing so organised and systematic, they just offer opinions and gossip and that is the whole point of the exercise. Just to gossip about other people who are not present.Did they vote?
Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.
I can't tell if you are trying to be funny or sarcastic. Seems hard to believe you are serious.So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not? I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved? Did they vote? Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.
The difference is sometimes described as corporate election, meaning that there is a group that is elected, and individual election, the idea that certain individuals are elected.
Whether it is personal or impersonal really has no bearing on it.
The question is perhaps easiest to answer by Exodus 32. God had promised Abraham that he would build his descendants into a nation. Abraham's descendants were then held in Egypt for four hundred years then left. After they left Egypt, they then sinned against God and God swore to destroy them and build His nation from the descendants of Moses:So the body of believers is elected, but not the individuals? The individuals are identified by being in the body, and the substance of the body is its individuals. The only thing he would have elected is that there will happen to be some unspecified number of individuals who have faith, and even that could not be guaranteed unless at least one individual was elected.
If it is impersonal, then it goes back to his earlier point that you seem to think that God elected an idea. Your position seems vague to the point of not being meaningful, to me.
No Paul is addressing the Gentiles who were grafted in as a people could also be cut off. He used the comparison over three chapters.
So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not? I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved? Did they vote? Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.
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