The Drake equation... More than likely a race that is beyond this dimension we know...

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion

Science is not a matter of opinion.

Perhaps you should try to post some objective, relevant counterevidence instead of just saying "Nay!"

That's not how the burden of proof works.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do I really need to post like 50 links, or just have you google it yourself...?

You made the claim that there are scientific sources that validate this idea.
Upto you to cite those sources.

I don't need 50. 1 or 2 valid science sources will do.

ps: I did google it. It return me page after page after page of new age, religious and pseudo-scientific shenannigans, but no scientific papers.

 

[Neogaia777]

You made the claim that there are scientific sources that validate this idea.
Upto you to cite those sources.

I don't need 50. 1 or 2 valid science sources will do.

ps: I did google it. It return me page after page after page of new age, religious and pseudo-scientific shenannigans, but no scientific papers.

Scientific American magazine good enough, or not?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjPubzLnoXSAhUIr1QKHSz4DaQQFgghMAA&url=https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gut-second-brain/&usg=AFQjCNG4KZMfOvrslGIuCAG3QJRjzxZfHQ&sig2=-lyz9L81UmCgCQIVYQfKMQ

If you wanna play this game some more, we can, if you want...

With so many sources, pretty much all saying the same thing, we shouldn't have to though...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Sometimes our feelings have to override our mind, and sometimes our mind has to override our feelings, our dual-nature, and that is where discernment and wisdom comes in...

God Bless!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Also...the article states that "second brain" is just a nickname scientists have given it. Though I think the picture is getting clearer...

You saw a movie with a robot with two brains.

You read an article (or at least the title) about a bundle of nerves in your belly.

You jumped to some rather unfounded conclusions.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sometimes our feelings have to override our mind, and sometimes our mind has to override our feelings, our dual-nature, and that is where discernment and wisdom comes in...

God Bless!

Well, if you want to talk about feelings and how they can affect the decision making process...that's fine.

Personally, I realized very early on that people made lots of bad decisions based upon their "feelings" and I tried to avoid doing the same.

 

[Neogaia777]

Also...the article states that "second brain" is just a nickname scientists have given it. Though I think the picture is getting clearer...

You saw a movie with a robot with two brains.

You read an article (or at least the title) about a bundle of nerves in your belly.

You jumped to some rather unfounded conclusions.

Where do feelings and emotions come from then...? They do not come solely "from" the mind or brain, something else (wherever our feelings come from) from outside our brains acts on or influences the brain in our heads and interrupts and influences and affects it's thinking processes (something from outside of it affects it)...

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, if you want to talk about feelings and how they can affect the decision making process...that's fine.

Personally, I realized very early on that people made lots of bad decisions based upon their "feelings" and I tried to avoid doing the same.

But you cannot deny that sometimes acting or not acting on or listening to what we "feel" is right or wrong, and sometimes, acting or not acting on or listening to what we "think" is right or wrong, and that they are (seem to be) two separate almost diametrically polar opposites/opposed things, do you...? Especially how it applies to ethics and morality...?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Where do feelings and emotions come from then...? They do not come solely "from" the mind or brain, something else (wherever our feelings come from) from outside our brains acts on or influences the brain in our heads and interrupts and influences and affects it's thinking processes (something from outside of it affects it)...

Nope...you're talking about hormonal/chemical processes now.

 

[Ana the Ist]

But you cannot deny that sometimes acting or not acting on or listening to what we "feel" is right or wrong, and sometimes, acting or not acting on or listening to what we "think" is right or wrong, and that they are (seem to be) two separate almost diametrically polar opposites/opposed things, do you...? Especially how it applies to ethics and morality...?

Of course they are...practical example...

Let's say an attractive woman walks by...

On a very primitive basic level, I'd enjoy having sex with her, this is a feeling.

On a more conscious thought level...I know that having sex with her would be bad for my marriage in many ways.

Also there's the consideration of how I will feel about it afterwards...that might not be so great.

Is that the sort of thing you're talking about?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Btw, sorry...I didn't realize I'd jumped threads

 

[Neogaia777]

Nope...you're talking about hormonal/chemical processes now.

How come a word or a thought (or something we hear or see), (from outside our brains) can affect our bodies that produce a chemical/hormonal response that affects our mind (brain) and greatly influences or thinking processes in and with it, and can greatly affect what comes out of it (our brain/mind) when we make a decision or draw a conclusion or act out of it, or do something out of it (our brain/mind)...

 

[Neogaia777]

Of course they are...practical example...

Let's say an attractive woman walks by...

On a very primitive basic level, I'd enjoy having sex with her, this is a feeling.

On a more conscious thought level...I know that having sex with her would be bad for my marriage in many ways.

Also there's the consideration of how I will feel about it afterwards...that might not be so great.

Is that the sort of thing you're talking about?

That's an example of where your mind overriding what you feel is right...

But, I'm suggesting it works both ways, there are situations where what we feel should override our mind or thought(s)... Like being loving toward a gay person, cause you feel that you care for them, when everything in your mind or thoughts is waging war against it...

 

[Neogaia777]

Btw, sorry...I didn't realize I'd jumped threads

Btw, sorry...I didn't realize I'd jumped threads

Neither did I... Can we continue this is ethics and morality, I think that's where it should be, thanks for talking with me BTW...

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

According the Christian Denomination I once belonged to a perfect human doesn't have that struggle with wrongful tendencies that are being described here as essential to free will or as a second brain.

 

[Neogaia777]

According the Christian Denomination I once belonged to a perfect human doesn't have that struggle with wrongful tendencies that are being described here as essential to free will or as a second brain.

When, what most refer to the "heart" and the mind work as "one" and one knows right and wrong and acquires the wisdom necessary to know right and wrong and has the wisdom and has the will necessary to choose to not do the wrong anymore, or ever, then we will be "perfect", not until then...

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

When, what most refer to the "heart" and the mind work as "one" and one knows right and wrong and acquires the wisdom necessary to know right and wrong and has the wisdom and has the will necessary to choose to not do the wrong anymore, or ever, then we will be "perfect", not until then...

God Bless!

Adam and Eve were perfect and their descendants were intended to inherit that perfection of both body and mind.

 

[Neogaia777]

Adam and Eve were perfect and their descendants were intended to inherit that perfection of both body and mind.

Yes, that's a bit of a "hole" in that theory, isn't it... They were supposedly created "perfect" yet they disobeyed... I did think of that, just didn't mention it right then...

The only thing I can think of is that, we have no clue basically, how "long" it took them to disobey and the fall happen, which kind of leads me to think that while, we might be perfected again, one day, we might also have to go through a kind of "test" (again) afterward, and we might fall again, or not, in which case would mean that we go through a kind of "cycle" (some of us) of rising and/or falling again...

Makes me wonder about "after" we are restored to a perfect state again, upon Jesus return and setting that up, for I believe, and "age" or era, makes me wonder about, after that, Satan being loosed and allowed to tempt us again... If that will be another time of separating and sorting work, like is being done now in the world, prior to Christ's reign...

God Bless!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Scientific American magazine good enough, or not?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjPubzLnoXSAhUIr1QKHSz4DaQQFgghMAA&url=https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gut-second-brain/&usg=AFQjCNG4KZMfOvrslGIuCAG3QJRjzxZfHQ&sig2=-lyz9L81UmCgCQIVYQfKMQ

If you wanna play this game some more, we can, if you want...

With so many sources, pretty much all saying the same thing, we shouldn't have to though...

God Bless!

That article doesn't agree with your claims.
It even flat out states that the "second brain" (which is consistantly put between quotes, btw - that in itself should already be some kind of a hint) doesn't have anything to do with "thinking" processes, deep thought, emotions etc... that stuff is exclusive to the brain in the head.

What is being called the "second brain" here, is no more or less then gut regulating processes that can operate relatively independently from the actual brain.

Quite different from the stuff you people are saying here.

Also, that article talks about the human gut, not about the human heart.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Where do feelings and emotions come from then...? They do not come solely "from" the mind or brain

Except that they do.

, something else (wherever our feelings come from) from outside our brains acts on or influences the brain in our heads

OBVIOUSLY outside input is going to influence our state-of-mind / brain / emotional state. This outside input can come from literally "the outside", being not our body, as well as from the "inner outside", being from within our body but outside the brain.

However, the emotion itself is a thing that comes from and is regulated by the brain.

Our gut doesn't produce / process the state of "angry", for example. Our brain in our head, does that.

and interrupts and influences and affects it's thinking processes (something from outside of it affects it)...

Duh. Our brain takes input (both from the senses as well as from other bodily functions) and processes these. Obviously they have influence.

The resulting emotion itself however, is produced by the brain in our head.