The Drake equation... More than likely a race that is beyond this dimension we know...

[TagliatelliMonster]

Adam and Eve were perfect and their descendants were intended to inherit that perfection of both body and mind.

Do you believe in a literal adam and eve?
As in, that at some point there were only 2 homo sapiens (without ancestors)?

Just wondering.

 

[Radrook]

Do you believe in a literal adam and eve?
As in, that at some point there were only 2 homo sapiens (without ancestors)?

Just wondering.

We already know that you believe it to be drivel.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We already know that you believe it to be drivel.

I'm asking what YOU believe.

Can you please answer?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes, that's a bit of a "hole" in that theory, isn't it... They were supposedly created "perfect" yet they disobeyed... I did think of that, just didn't mention it right then...

They disobeyed perfectly, it's how they were made.

If only God had known... He could have put the tree or its fruit out of reach, or kept them away from the talking snake... Forgive Him, Adam, He knew not what..

Oh, wait. He did know.

I do remember that God punished the snake by saying it would crawl on its belly for the rest of its days, which must have had the snake scratching its head.

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you believe in a literal adam and eve?
As in, that at some point there were only 2 homo sapiens (without ancestors)?

Just wondering.

I believe at one point they were literal, but a different literal, that they were literal in a heaven/paradise reality with bodies that were much like Jesus resurrected body, and in that sense were in a literal physical form, just different from what we know, but not any less literal, as God defines literal in a paradise or heaven like environment...

God Bless!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I believe at one point they were literal, but a different literal, that they were literal in a heaven/paradise reality with bodies that were much like Jesus resurrected body, and in that sense were in a literal physical form, just different from what we know, but not any less literal, as God defines literal in a paradise or heaven like environment...

God Bless!

lol, okay.

Thanks for sharing, but I was asking @Radrook.

And I still would like to know what @Radrook's actual beliefs are concerning the adam and eve story.

 

[Neogaia777]

lol, okay.

Thanks for sharing, but I was asking @Radrook.

And I still would like to know what @Radrook's actual beliefs are concerning the adam and eve story.

Just had a thought reading that, sorry...

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

I do remember that God punished the snake by saying it would crawl on its belly for the rest of its days, which must have had the snake scratching its head.

You are obviously unaware that there is fossil evidence of snakes with legs.
Four-legged snake discovered

Of course such a discovery would be immediately challenged and discredited by atheist scientists lest the Bible gain credibility.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You are obviously unaware that there is fossil evidence of snakes with legs.
Four-legged snake discovered

Awesome.

So, do you think the limbless snake evolved, or do you believe that god cursed its legs away overnight?

While on the subject, what are your beliefs concerning adam and eve?
Real or metaphorical?
If real, did they have human ancestors?
Was there a time when they were the only 2 homo sapiens in existance?
How long ago did they live?

Just wondering.

 

[Radrook]

Awesome.

So, do you think the limbless snake evolved, or do you believe that god cursed its legs away overnight?

While on the subject, what are your beliefs concerning adam and eve?
Real or metaphorical?
If real, did they have human ancestors?
Was there a time when they were the only 2 homo sapiens in existance?
How long ago did they live?

Just wondering.

The literal snake had no ability of speech at all. It was merely a puppet cunningly employed by an invisible entity who had chosen rebellion. The loss of its legs and crawling represented the debasement that this being had undergone. The crushing of its head as prophesied in Genesis 3:15 symbolizes this being's ultimate destruction.
Whether the loss of its legs was instant or gradual the text doesn't say. I suppose it does allow for a gradually diminution until the legs were completely lost.

I consider Genesis to be an actual historical account describing the origin of the human race from two people. Jesus, whom I consider my Lord and Savior, considered it an historical account so contradicting him would be to accuse him of being either a malicious liar or else sincerely deluded- neither of which I am willing to do.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The literal snake had no ability of speech at all. It was merely a puppet cunningly employed by an invisible entity who had chosen rebellion. The loss of its legs and crawling represented the debasement that this being had undergone. The crushing of its head as prophesied in Genesis 3:15 symbolizes this being's ultimate destruction.
Whether the loss of its legs was instant or gradual the text doesn't say. I suppose it does allow for a gradually diminution until the legs were completely lost.

I consider Genesis to be an actual historical account describing the origin of the human race from two people. Jesus, whom I consider my Lord and Savior, considered it an historical account so contradicting him would be to accuse him of being either a malicious liar or else sincerely deluded- neither of which I am willing to do.

Okay.

You missed a couple questions though.
Like how long ago was this? And did this single couple of homo sapiens, have ancestors or were they made "from scratch" by god?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You are obviously unaware that there is fossil evidence of snakes with legs.
Four-legged snake discovered

What makes you think so? Evolution predicts that snakes evolved from creatures with legs, like many legless lizards; some contemporary snakes have vestigial internal leg buds, and fossil snakes have been found with hind legs, so we would expect to find fossil snakes with four external legs, so that fossil could well be an early snake - although the jury is still out; to quote National Geographic:

"It’s certainly possible that Tetrapodophis could be something else. In the squamates alone, a snake-like body has independently evolved at least 26 times, producing a wide menagerie of legless lizards. These include the slow worm of Europe, and the bizarre worm-lizard Bipes, which has lost its hind legs but has kept the stubby front pair. True snakes represent just one of these many forays into leglessness."
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But supposing it is a snake - is the suggestion that this fossil is an example of snakes before God cursed them to crawl on their bellies? If so, we should be able to put an earliest date on the biblical story; and what about the fossils of snakes with only hind legs - did God get bored halfway through?

Or are they all just another example of evolution in action?

Of course such a discovery would be immediately challenged and discredited by atheist scientists lest the Bible gain credibility.

Not at all - if verified, it will be embraced as yet another confirmation of a prediction of evolution.

 

[Radrook]

What makes you think so? Evolution predicts that snakes evolved from creatures with legs, like many legless lizards; some contemporary snakes have vestigial internal leg buds, and fossil snakes have been found with hind legs, so we would expect to find fossil snakes with four external legs, so that fossil could well be an early snake - although the jury is still out; to quote National Geographic:

"It’s certainly possible that Tetrapodophis could be something else. In the squamates alone, a snake-like body has independently evolved at least 26 times, producing a wide menagerie of legless lizards. These include the slow worm of Europe, and the bizarre worm-lizard Bipes, which has lost its hind legs but has kept the stubby front pair. True snakes represent just one of these many forays into leglessness."
​

But supposing it is a snake - is the suggestion that this fossil is an example of snakes before God cursed them to crawl on their bellies? If so, we should be able to put an earliest date on the biblical story; and what about the fossils of snakes with only hind legs - did God get bored halfway through?

Or are they all just another example of evolution in action?

Not at all - if verified, it will be embraced as yet another confirmation of a prediction of evolution.

Your mockery of the biblical account concerning the pronouncement on the snake made me think so.
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I do remember that God punished the snake by saying it would crawl on its belly for the rest of its days, which must have had the snake scratching its head.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Your mockery of the biblical account concerning the pronouncement on the snake made me think so.

Oh, that was just taken from Ricky Gervais's 'Genesis' talk from his 'Animals' tour (btw it's comedy, if you're sensitive about such things).

 

[Radrook]

Oh, that was just taken from Ricky Gervais's 'Genesis' talk from his 'Animals' tour (btw it's comedy, if you're sensitive about such things).

It was quoted to represent your attitude towards the subject. Nice try but no cigar!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It was quoted to represent your attitude towards the subject. Nice try but no cigar!

If you mean I can't take 'Genesis' seriously, you're right. That shouldn't come as a surprise.

Didn't someone recently say, "You cannot get a handle in any conversation with people having “deficient sense of humor syndrome”" ?

 

[Radrook]

If you mean I can't take 'Genesis' seriously, you're right. That shouldn't come as a surprise.

Didn't someone recently say, "You cannot get a handle in any conversation with people having “deficient sense of humor syndrome”" ?

That is definitely no surprise. What is a surprise is your attempt to not own up to what you Cleary said. If indeed it was humor why the evasive maneuvers? Why not simply identify it as humor from the outset as I immediately did?
Doesn't add up bon ami!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If indeed it was humor why the evasive maneuvers?

What evasive maneuvers?

Why not simply identify it as humor from the outset as I immediately did?

Because it was obvious - even you got it. Does every humorous aside have to be identified as such?

 

[Radrook]

What evasive maneuvers?
Because it was obvious - even you got it. Does every humorous aside have to be identified as such?

Well, defending it as non-humorous initially doesn't help your case.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Well, defending it as non-humorous initially doesn't help your case.

What 'case'? Where did I 'defend' it at all? You seem to have become confused - quote me and I'll explain what it means.