The Drake equation... More than likely a race that is beyond this dimension we know...

[TagliatelliMonster]

OK...? "Whatever", I guess, I'm not going to argue... You can just google it, if you really want to know anything about it, but, I don't think you do...?

God Bless!

There is nothing to google...

Life is a temporal, physical phenomena. That's just the way it is.

 

[Radrook]

Forgive me for this, but... Your point is...? I don't and didn't indicate I thought that, did I? (If this is directed at me) He is a "force" (to be reckoned with) but is most definitely a person, with a persona and personality, a mind, heart, will and emotions...

Again, don't know if that was for me, but if it was...?

God Bless!

Yes! But there was an objection about describing the holy spirit as a phase operator-correct? It was understood as demoting the holy spirit from the Third person of the Trinitarian Godhead-right? I simply pointed out that any attempt perceived as indicating such a demotion is automatically opposed by orthodoxy on this website and that there is a rule against doing so as well. In fact, I once was accused of speaking against the Godhead when all I was doing was striving to clarify the Trinity concept. That got me a warning. So in respect to the holy spirit one has to be very careful on how one attempts to describe it on this website. That's my point. Just some useful friendly advice-that is all.

 

[DennisTate]

The Drake equation... More than likely a race that is beyond this dimension we know...

The Drake equation from Wiki: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiH7qHn2P_RAhVOx2MKHSK9Dh0QFghPMAw&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation&usg=AFQjCNGe27D0f6hSH4TIfoEZ8W39WCLoVw&sig2=bBYq2udjpA3sotBCeaZfkA&bvm=bv.146094739,d.cGc

Even if there is only one other planet in our galaxy, (though it proposes between 1000 at the minimum and 100,000 maximum), even if there was only one or two, like us or once like us (and is now further than us) Anyhow, if there were only one or two in our galaxy, there are trillions of galaxies, meaning, well, you do the math, how many civilizations like or once like us...?

Say there are or were trillions, since there are trillions of galaxies, how far did they get... I'll get to my point... My point is, at least one of them had to go beyond this realm, this dimension, into perhaps a matterless, timeless, and a place where space, time, and distance and matter and material as we know it does not matter, so to speak...

The odds are totally in favor of it, mathematically speaking...

Anyone disagree...?

Comments...?

Maybe they gave rise to A.I., maybe they exist in another dimension or type of reality now, maybe they've existed before this entire universe was, and this universe is like a computer program, that uses biological machines, (bioelectrochemical) and this is all a simulation created by and managed by them...

Consider the possibilities...

God Bless!

I am wide open to the possibility of a Creator G-d who in a sense learned or you could say "evolved" as G-d planned Big Bang type event after Big Bang type event to take fundamental energy, (energy from Quantum Vacuum), down in vibration to lower and lower and lower levels of energy......... Chapter 13 of Stephen Hawking's Universe gives an Atheistic version of this idea but it is easy to propose a G-d evolving who would have no problem eventually inventing a Covering Cherub named perhaps.... Lucifer.... who might get jealous over all the attention given to newer model Adam and Eve..... and begin a war..... wreck much of the universe / Multiverse... and force G-d to create Adam and Eve as an opening gambit to the restoration of all things........... the universe / Multiverse.

 

[SkyWriting]

The Drake equation... More than likely a race that is beyond this dimension we know...

The Drake equation from Wiki: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiH7qHn2P_RAhVOx2MKHSK9Dh0QFghPMAw&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation&usg=AFQjCNGe27D0f6hSH4TIfoEZ8W39WCLoVw&sig2=bBYq2udjpA3sotBCeaZfkA&bvm=bv.146094739,d.cGc

Even if there is only one other planet in our galaxy, (though it proposes between 1000 at the minimum and 100,000 maximum), even if there was only one or two, like us or once like us (and is now further than us) Anyhow, if there were only one or two in our galaxy, there are trillions of galaxies, meaning, well, you do the math, how many civilizations like or once like us...?

Say there are or were trillions, since there are trillions of galaxies, how far did they get... I'll get to my point... My point is, at least one of them had to go beyond this realm, this dimension, into perhaps a matterless, timeless, and a place where space, time, and distance and matter and material as we know it does not matter, so to speak...

The odds are totally in favor of it, mathematically speaking...

Anyone disagree...?

Comments...?

Maybe they gave rise to A.I., maybe they exist in another dimension or type of reality now, maybe they've existed before this entire universe was, and this universe is like a computer program, that uses biological machines, (bioelectrochemical) and this is all a simulation created by and managed by them...

Consider the possibilities...

God Bless!

God seems to have focused all His attention
on His chosen people. Then He sent His only
son here to save us. Not even our animals are
saved, just mankind.

 

[Radrook]

God seems to have focused all His attention
on His chosen people. Then He sent His only
son here to save us. Not even our animals are
saved, just mankind.

What would God be saving the animals from? They can't sin-right?

 

[SkyWriting]

What would God be saving the animals from? They can't sin-right?

Our Creation remains in sin, just as marine life is still wet.


12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
13 For sin was in the world before the Law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.…

 

[Radrook]

Our Creation remains in sin, just as marine life is still wet.


12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
13 For sin was in the world before the Law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.…

I agree that the present world is not the one originally intended.

 

[SkyWriting]

I agree that the present world is not the one originally intended.

Anyway....any other species do not have Christ, the Creator who made
us to be the image of God. Near as I can read, there is life only here.


Issue #2. Travel to Mars is pretty risky. There is no food out there.
Would you take a canoe on the ocean looking for more land?

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes! But there was an objection about describing the holy spirit as a phase operator-correct? It was understood as demoting the holy spirit from the Third person of the Trinitarian Godhead-right? I simply pointed out that any attempt perceived as indicating such a demotion is automatically opposed by orthodoxy on this website and that there is a rule against doing so as well. In fact, I once was accused of speaking against the Godhead when all I was doing was striving to clarify the Trinity concept. That got me a warning. So in respect to the holy spirit one has to be very careful on how one attempts to describe it on this website. That's my point. Just some useful friendly advice-that is all.

Oh, well, thank you for the warning then... I don't even know what a phase operator is, why I asked...

Thanks,

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

Anyway....any other species do not have Christ, the Creator who made
us to be the image of God. Near as I can read, there is life only here.


Issue #2. Travel to Mars is pretty risky. There is no food out there.
Would you take a canoe on the ocean looking for more land?

God pronounced his creation good prior to the fall. If animals were inherently evil, he would not have included them in his positive assessment.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The heart is shown out to communicate not only chemically, but electrically to the brain, it is almost like a second brain in a way...

No, it really isn't 'almost like a second brain'. The gut also has quite a complex and sophisticated neural control system that has been likened to a 'second brain', but really it's nothing like the brain - it's a chain of neural ganglia concerned with digestion, not cogitation, although it too has control and feedback links to the autonomic nervous system.

 

[Radrook]

Here is an informative article on the subject:
How the Human Heart Functions as a Second Brain

I had become familiar with this decades ago via JWS literature but had imagined that it was merely their idea. Lo and Behold! It wasn't!

 

[Neogaia777]

Here is an informative article on the subject:
How the Human Heart Functions as a Second Brain

I had become familiar with this decades ago via JWS literature but had imagined that it was merely their idea. Lo and Behold! It wasn't!

If our heart, (or whatever is not from our brain, but our bodies), Anyhow, if there wasn't this secondary kind of feeling, or brain to conflict with and interrupt our mind, we would all just automatically just automatically just "do" whatever came to our minds all the time... But, their is a secondary "something" in us that does kinda conflict with and stop it (the mind) when necessary and makes it think or do otherwise... This secondary something is necessary for true consciousness and is the only way to have a free will, or will period...

Take the film "I, robot..." In it the robot named "sonny" was unique and he had a will, only because he was designed with two brains, one in his head, and one in his chest... None of the other robots had two brains, and therefore were not really conscious beings with a will of their own... But, "sonny" did, and he could choose to obey or disobey the infamous (in the movie) three laws that he was programmed with...

It is only when we have these two minds or two voices or conflicting urges, that we can have "free will"...

The bible calls this the flesh and the spirit, I think...

God had to create Adam & Eve with the ability to choose to disobey or do the wrong thing to have beings like him, conscious beings with a will...

This is also necessary for those minority of special cases especially in this world, where in the majority of cases something is "wrong" or bad, but there are always a minority of special cases where what normally would have been wrong, can actually be right... And, for us to be able to always do what is right, regardless of this (It's normally being wrong) in order to be at least "capable" of always doing what is right, we have to have the two conflicting "brains" so to speak, or voices or promptings or urges in us...

It also works for the minority of cases where what might seem to be instinctually always "right" is actually wrong in a minority of special cases...

This is where discernment comes in, this is where wisdom comes in...

Nothing, even the worst thing, is "always" always "wrong", and nothing not even the best thing, is "always", always "right" either...

Like withholding and restraining Love, for a right thing, and say God's ordering genocide that one time, for a wrong thing...

If Saul would have completely "obeyed", God's kingdom would have been set up and fully established on earth, right then, and none, NONE of the pain. sorrow, anguish, hurts, misery, and sin and death that came afterward would have been so, if Saul would have obeyed...

If a person's character, or future well-being would be damaged by your loving them all the time, (become a spoiled brat with no good character to them at all) Anyways, If a person's character, or future well-being would be damaged by your loving them all the time, though this may be your will, you may have to withhold some of that Love from them, for their own good, in the end...

God Bless!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Here is an informative article on the subject:
How the Human Heart Functions as a Second Brain

I had become familiar with this decades ago via JWS literature but had imagined that it was merely their idea. Lo and Behold! It wasn't!

"testimonies" and "anecdotes" are not science.

 

[Neogaia777]

"testimonies" and "anecdotes" are not science.

I just now googled "science second brain" and pulled up numerous scientific sources and links all basically saying the same thing, that their is a kind of "second brain" in us... In and coming from our bodies and not our actual brain in our heads...

Maybe you should try it...

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

"testimonies" and "anecdotes" are not science.

I never claimed that anecdotes and testimonies are science.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I just now googled "science second brain" and pulled up numerous scientific sources and links all basically saying the same thing, that their is a kind of "second brain" in us... In and coming from our bodies and not our actual brain in our heads...

Maybe you should try it...

God Bless!

Maybe you should link/cite these papers.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I never claimed that anecdotes and testimonies are science.

The nonsense of the heart being like a "brain", is being presented here as if it were science. But it's pseudo-scientific hogwash.

 

[Neogaia777]

Maybe you should link/cite these papers.

Do I really need to post like 50 links, or just have you google it yourself...?

 

[Radrook]

The nonsense of the heart being like a "brain", is being presented here as if it were science. But it's pseudo-scientific hogwash.

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Perhaps you should try to post some objective, relevant counterevidence instead of just saying "Nay!" or is it ""Neigh"?