The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[stuart lawrence]

You haven't. Besides, I'm still waiting for him to wish me a Happy Birthday.

Happy birthday
My apologies.
I won't ask your age. That ain't polite

 

[1stcenturylady]

You and Jason prove the futility of these kind of debates. The law on stone got transferred to tablets if human hearts( 2cor3:3). I've given you examples of that. You refuse to accept it.

Thou shalt not admit to error

If you want to make up your own commandments, you might want to keep it, yourself.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Happy birthday
My apologies.
I won't ask your age. That ain't polite

Thank you. I have my party to get ready for, so gotta run.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You haven't.

Yes, I have put Stuart on ignore. I cannot see his posts. I only hit "show ignored content" so as to see who you replying to. Then I hit refresh on the page again so I cannot see his posts.

Besides, I'm still waiting for him to wish me a Happy Birthday.

I just noticed it was your birthday within your short bio before I had seen your post here.
My plan was to wish you a .... "Happy Birthday."

So I hope your birthday is very happy today!

May God bless you on this special day he brought you into the world.


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[stuart lawrence]

If you want to make up your own commandments, you might want to keep it, yourself.

You show you are a letter from Christ, the result if our ministry, written not with ink, but the Spirit if the living God, not on tablets of stone( TC) but on tablets of human hearts 2cor3:3

For those who are willing to see the truth, the law that was the law of sin and death got transferred from an external law written on tablets of stone to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. It isn't a law of sin and death anymore for Christians( well some of them) have a saviour from their sins. They are not under a righteousness of observing the law.
Of course, if people refuse to see, and insist on being blind, that is their absolute right

 

[stuart lawrence]

Thank you. I have my party to get ready for, so gotta run.

BTW
Why not discuss this with Jason. There is a difference of 1048 commands, between what you believe is placed on a Christians heart and he believes are placed there under his law of righteousness. I wish someone would explain to Jason to be justified under the law requires perfect obedience of it. Anyone who truly cared about him would tell him that, wouldn't they?
Then we have SBC, let's quote him for he keeps saying people state what he hasn't written
Quote:

I am born of God because I am saved and born again. And scripture proclaims one born of God does not sin, cannot commit sin, sinneth not. Don't you agree with scripture? I do
Unquote.

So according to sbcs understanding of scripture, he does not, nor can he commit sin.
That's very interesting indeed.
I'm not sure whether you agree with him or not. In a thread a while back you appeared to agree with that statement, at other times you didn't appear to.
Anyways SBC may proclaim he faultlessly, without slip does not commit sin/cannot commit sin/ fully and perfectly observes the law placed within him, but he's either telling porkies, or he is blinded to the truth isn't he!
But how can anyone be blinded to the truth concerning sin if the law is written in their mind and placed on their heart? They must know when they transgress that law!
Anyways, it amazes me how so many cling to a righteousness of faultlessly observing the letter that kills/ the law of sin and death. Crazy I would say, but there you go

Hope you enjoyed your party!

 

[SBC]

Many times when I discuss Eternal Security, I hear two different messages. One message says a true Christian is defined by loving Jesus and by being more Christ like. Yet, another message within Eternal Security says you can die in the unrepentant sin of lying, or the sin of unforgiveness, etc. and still be saved.

What doth thou sayeth?


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It is a physically living man who submits unto the Lord in Faithfulness, who is forgiven.
A physically dead man knows nothing, thus can not submit unto the Lord in Faithfulness, or become forgiven.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

BTW
Why not discuss this with Jason. There is a difference of 1048 commands, between what you believe is placed on a Christians heart and he believes are placed there under his law of righteousness. I wish someone would explain to Jason to be justified under the law requires perfect obedience of it. Anyone who truly cared about him would tell him that, wouldn't they?
Then we have SBC, let's quote him for he keeps saying people state what he hasn't written
Quote:

I am born of God because I am saved and born again. And scripture proclaims one born of God does not sin, cannot commit sin, sinneth not. Don't you agree with scripture? I do
Unquote.

So according to sbcs understanding of scripture, he does not, nor can he commit sin.
That's very interesting indeed.
I'm not sure whether you agree with him or not. In a thread a while back you appeared to agree with that statement, at other times you didn't appear to.
Anyways SBC may proclaim he faultlessly, without slip does not commit sin/cannot commit sin/ fully and perfectly observes the law placed within him, but he's either telling porkies, or he is blinded to the truth isn't he!
But how can anyone be blinded to the truth concerning sin if the law is written in their mind and placed on their heart? They must know when they transgress that law!
Anyways, it amazes me how so many cling to a righteousness of faultlessly observing the letter that kills/ the law of sin and death. Crazy I would say, but there you go

Hope you enjoyed your party!

I don't really think you and Jason are as far apart as you think. Much has do to semantics on this and other forums having to do with the words "law," or commandments."

There are Old Testament LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. And New Testament LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. They are both based on the original and eternal laws of God, to love God with all your heart (OT), and Jesus adding to it to love your neighbor as yourself.

Even the LAW of the Spirit of life in Christ which has freed me from the law of sin and death is talking a LAW of righteousness. The difference in the OT law of righteousness, and the NT law of righteousness is the first is based on the letter, and kept with our weak carnal nature (Not!), and the second is kept with the power of God with His laws written on our conscience. That is how the fruit of the Spirit in us prevents us from breaking the eternal laws of God.

 

[Dan61861]

1stcenturylady, may our Lord bless your special day.

Happy Birthday!​

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't really think you and Jason are as far apart as you think. Much has do to semantics on this and other forums having to do with the words "law," or commandments."

There are Old Testament LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. And New Testament LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. They are both based on the original and eternal laws of God, to love God with all your heart (OT), and Jesus adding to it to love your neighbor as yourself.

Even the LAW of the Spirit of life in Christ which has freed me from the law of sin and death is talking a LAW of righteousness. The difference in the OT law of righteousness, and the NT law of righteousness is the first is based on the letter, and kept with our weak carnal nature (Not!), and the second is kept with the power of God with His laws written on our conscience. That is how the fruit of the Spirit in us prevents us from breaking the eternal laws of God.

Oh no, Jason and I are not close, he believes the only law that is not part of his law of righteousness us non applicable OC law that could be faultlessly obeyed. Paul clearly shows us the Christian is not under a law of righteousness concerning the moral law in rom ch7

Glad you now admit you believe a law of righteousness exists, alongside Jason. Paul disagrees with you both of course.

But now a righteousness APART from law has been made known...
Rom3:21
Not a righteousness apart from some law, but LAW.
Anyways, Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law( matt5:17) Paul tells us the law on stone got transferred onto tablets if human hearts( 2cor3:3) you refuse to believe Christ or Paul in this regard, so no wonder you take no notice of me either.
BTW
Love fulfilled the law under the OC. Love God and love your neighbour, but that didn't mean only two laws/ commandments existed did it

 

[1stcenturylady]

Oh no, Jason and I are not close, he believes the only law that is not part of his law of righteousness us non applicable OC law that could be faultlessly obeyed. Paul clearly shows us the Christian is not under a law of righteousness concerning the moral law in rom ch7

Glad you now admit you believe a law of righteousness exists, alongside Jason. Paul disagrees with you both of course.

But now a righteousness APART from law has been made known...
Rom3:21
Not a righteousness apart from some law, but LAW.
Anyways, Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law( matt5:17) Paul tells us the law on stone got transferred onto tablets if human hearts( 2cor3:3) you refuse to believe Christ or Paul in this regard, so no wonder you take no notice of me either.
BTW
Love fulfilled the law under the OC. Love God and love your neighbour, but that didn't mean only two laws/ commandments existed did it

Show me where the OC said to love your neighbor. I had thought it was part of the "love God with all your heart" scriptures, but the ones I found didn't have that wording. That was why Jesus could say I write to you a new commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. But you found it in the OT? I'd like to know where.

 

[stuart lawrence]

In the real world, and away from un thought out head theology. If you tell someone, they are not under law providing they faultlessly follow after the holy spirit, and therefore never commit sin. How will that play out in a believers life?
They will live under a righteousness before God of faultlessly observing the law if sin and death.
However, many who think they see, do not see what they think they see

 

[stuart lawrence]

Show me where the OC said to love your neighbor. I had thought it was part of the "love God with all your heart" scriptures, but the ones I found didn't have that wording. That was why Jesus could say I write to you a new commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. But you found it in the OT? I'd like to know where.

You gotta be kidding me!!

Teacher, which is the greatest commandment?
Jesus replied: love the Lord your God with with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment.
AND THE SECOND IS LIKE IT. Love your neighbour as yourself
Matt22:37-39

Im sure someone can tell you where in Leviticus love your neighbour is stated

 

[1stcenturylady]

You gotta be kidding me!!

Teacher, which is the greatest commandment?
Jesus replied: love the Lord your God with with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment.
AND THE SECOND IS LIKE IT. Love your neighbour as yourself
Matt22:37-39

Im sure someone can tell you where in Leviticus love your neighbour is stated

I know it is in the NT, but I couldn't find it in the Old. Don't bother helping me, I'll find it myself, and try Leviticus first. Thanks.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Show me where the OC said to love your neighbor. I had thought it was part of the "love God with all your heart" scriptures, but the ones I found didn't have that wording. That was why Jesus could say I write to you a new commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. But you found it in the OT? I'd like to know where.

Do not seek revenge, or bear a grudge against one of your people. BUT LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF
Lev19:18

 

[stuart lawrence]

I know it is in the NT, but I couldn't find it in the Old. Don't bother helping me, I'll find it myself, and try Leviticus first. Thanks.

Jesus told the man who questioned him what the two greatest commandments were( present tense) Jesus lived under the OC. They must have both existed therefore under the OC

 

[1stcenturylady]

Do not seek revenge, or bear a grudge against one of your people. BUT LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF
Lev19:18

Great. Thank you.

 

[Dan61861]

There are Old Testament LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. And New Testament LAW AND COMMANDMENTS. They are both based on the original and eternal laws of God, to love God with all your heart (OT), and Jesus adding to it to love your neighbor as yourself.

Just so you know...smiles

Leviticus 19:18 “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.”

In Christ
Daniel

 

[1stcenturylady]

Just so you know...smiles

Leviticus 19:18 “Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.”

In Christ
Daniel

Yes, stuart just showed me. Thanks.

Didn't Jesus say He was giving us a NEW commandment? I wonder why?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Great. Thank you.

Well I don't read Leviticus often so I can't go straight to chapter and verse!