The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[stuart lawrence]

I don't preach it either. You and David believe because we are not under the law, the sins we commit are not imputed to us. Wrong. Paul made sure his words were not twisted and made sure to say the wages of sin is death.

Well if your sins are imputed to you, you MUST( MUST) live under a righteousness of observing the law. That's a plain fact. So you oppose Pauls core message

 

[1stcenturylady]

No one can be a Christian unless the holy spirit resides in them. You do not have a monopoly on the Holy Spirit, neither does the church you attend

I was in church for 30 years and sinned everyday, BEFORE I received the Holy Spirit, and life was never the same again. Going to church doesn't give you the Holy Spirit. Saying you believe in Jesus but don't do as He says doesn't give you the Holy Spirit either.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I was in church for 30 years and sinned everyday, BEFORE I received the Holy Spirit, and life was never the same again. Going to church doesn't give you the Holy Spirit. Saying you believe in Jesus but don't do as He says doesn't give you the Holy Spirit either.

The definition of a Christian is someone in whom the holy spirit resides( or one definition)

 

[1stcenturylady]

Actually, it says there is no more sacrifice for willful sin.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

If you return to the Law, there is no more sacrifice for sin. You have made Christ's sacrifice nothing. Hebrews is warning Israel not to find righteousness in the Law.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

In Christ
Daniel

Read Hebrews 5 to Hebrews 10 and you will see that what they were doing was believing in Jesus and STILL sacrificing animals according to the Mosaic laws. THAT is the willful sin they were committing that trampled on the blood of Jesus.

 

[Dan61861]

I don't preach it either. You and David believe because we are not under the law, the sins we commit are not imputed to us. Wrong. Paul made sure his words were not twisted and made sure to say the wages of sin is death.

So, you believe this is wrong?
Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”

In Christ
Daniel

 

[1stcenturylady]

The definition of a Christian is someone in whom the holy spirit resides( or one definition)

That is true. But many who believe they have been automatically given the Holy Spirit because the word says it is to be given to those who repent, never repented from all their sin. Even the demons believe and tremble, but don't obey.

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is true. But many who believe they have been automatically given the Holy Spirit because the word says it is to be given to those who repent, never repented from all their sin. Even the demons believe and tremble, but don't obey.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So, you believe this is wrong?
Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”

In Christ
Daniel

Abraham believed God and did what He said, and it was imputed unto him as righteousness.

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is true. But many who believe they have been automatically given the Holy Spirit because the word says it is to be given to those who repent, never repented from all their sin. Even the demons believe and tremble, but don't obey.

Are demons trusting in Christ's shed blood to attain heaven?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Abraham believed God and did what He said, and it was imputed unto him as righteousness.

Did Abraham Lose his righteousness when he passed his wife off as his sister when he went to Egypt? Pharaoh then took her into his palace to be his wife and showered gifts on Abraham

 

[1stcenturylady]

Are demons trusting in Christ's shed blood to attain heaven?

No, but the know who and what Jesus is and does. a great % of Christians believe the same, and no more.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No, but the know who and what Jesus is and does. a great % of Christians believe the same, and no more.

Anyway, thank you for confirming your belief a Christians sin is imputed to them.
That confirms you MUST believe a Christian lives under a righteousness of observing the law.
No way round that I'm afraid. I will remember the post number for future reference

 

[Dan61861]

Abraham believed God and did what He said, and it was imputed unto him as righteousness.

Not what I asked, you said Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” is untrue.

I am asking you to clarify, is Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” true?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Did Abraham Lose his righteousness when he passed his wife off as his sister when he went to Egypt? Pharaoh then took her into his palace to be his wife and showered gifts on Abraham

No. God didn't tell him not to do that. Abraham just acted on his own.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Not what I asked, you said Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” is untrue.

I am asking you to clarify, is Romans 4:8 “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” true?

In post 2098 ist century lady states it is wrong to believe God does not impute sin to the believer

 

[stuart lawrence]

No. God didn't tell him not to do that. Abraham just acted on his own.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

I asked you if Abraham lost his righteousness when he took Sarah to Egypt and lied concerning her being his sister

 

[1stcenturylady]

Anyway, thank you for confirming your belief a Christians sin is imputed to them.
That confirms you MUST believe a Christian lives under a righteousness of observing the law.
No way round that I'm afraid. I will remember the post number for future reference

Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

This is what your liberal pulling scripture out of context could result in. And lead someone to hell.[/QUOTE]

 

[stuart lawrence]

Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

You have to ignore it don't you and carry blindly on.
If God imputes sin to the believer, they MUST, MUST, MUST live under a righteousness of observing the law.
That is a plain fact. Your response shows you have to ignore the spiritual reality for you are blinded to it

 

[stuart lawrence]

Some evangelicals just carry on blindly ignoring the plain facts of spiritual reality. They neither can see nor are willing to see. They just carry blindly in