The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[stuart lawrence]

I'm an individual that doesn't have a certain type of church. I'm without a denomination.

Sin is the transgression of the law

If you observe the law you do not commit sin, if you fail to observe the law you do commit sin.
I can immediately given you a dozen verses where paul states you cannot/ will not be declared righteous/ justified by observing the law, and you must ignore the lot

 

[1stcenturylady]

You don't only go to charismatic/ evangelical churches?

I go to a very small non-denominational church who believes the full-gospel, with four pastors. And non of them are cookie cutters of each other. One even believes like you. I love the people, and teach a few of them on Thursday night.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You do not know my mentality, as you've never known anyone like me. And you certainly can't come close over the internet.

I do know your mentality, you are part of a people who have misdirected zeal. You follow the literal letter without understanding the true message that letter contains.
I repeat. If someone tells you their eyes have caused them to sin in thought or deed, would you tell them to pluck their eyes out and through them away?
That is what the literal letter states. And you hinge everything on the letter itself

 

[stuart lawrence]

I go to a very small non-denominational church who believes the full-gospel, with four pastors. And non of them are cookie cutters of each other. One even believes like you. I love the people, and teach a few of them on Thursday night.

You don't believe the full gospel. You refuse to accept the core message of the person chosen to be the chief exponent if the NC to the world

 

[1stcenturylady]

We are no longer under the Law, God does not impute sin onto us. John also says, if we sin and confess our sin Christ is faithful to forgive us.

We abide in Christ, He has cleansed us of all sin. This is the only way one is righteous before God.

In Christ
Daniel

He does if you commit willful sin. You have to confess it and repent for it to be forgiven.

The sins we don't have to confess, are the ones we don't even realize are missing the bull's eye WHILE we are walking in the Spirit.

That is 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 2:1. No mention of repentance or confession there. Only after 1 John 1:6,8,10 do you still need to turn to Christ and repent to become a Christian.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I do know your mentality, you are part of a people who have misdirected zeal. You follow the literal letter without understanding the true message that letter contains.
I repeat. If someone tells you their eyes have caused them to sin in thought or deed, would you tell them to pluck their eyes out and through them away?
That is what the literal letter states. And you hinge everything on the letter itself

No I wouldn't, because I know the Spirit of the Word, and the holiness of God.

To say you know me is a lie.

 

[stuart lawrence]

He does if you commit willful sin. You have to confess it and repent for it to be forgiven.

The sins we don't have to confess, are the ones we don't even realize are missing the bull's eye WHILE we are walking in the Spirit.

That is 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 2:1. No mention of repentance or confession there. Only after 1 John 1:6,8,10 do you still need to turn to Christ and repent to become a Christian.

As a child I did not always obey my parents rules. I was naughty at times. When I broke their rules, did I believe i would be threatened with eviction from the family home if I did not immediately repent of transgressing their rules? No I did not, never. My parents would never have threatened such a thing. Why not? Because I was their child, they loved me, I was a member of their family.
Yet you believe that is how God treats his children. You neglect the love of God( luke11:42) you cannot show love to your neighbour by preaching that, so you ignore the two greatest comnandments on which the entire law hangs.
You may not do it intentionally, but you do it just the same.
For the letter you hinge everything on kills!!!!!

 

[1stcenturylady]

We are no longer under the Law, God does not impute sin onto us. John also says, if we sin and confess our sin Christ is faithful to forgive us.

We abide in Christ, He has cleansed us of all sin. This is the only way one is righteous before God.

In Christ
Daniel

I've already gone over this with stuart. You two believe the same.

 

[1stcenturylady]

ImAs a child I did not always obey my parents rules. I was naughty at times. When I broke their rules, did I believe i would be threatened with eviction from the family home if I did not immediately repent if transgressing their rules? No I did not, never. My parents would never gave threatened such a thing. Why not? Because I was their child, they loved me, I was a member of their family.
Yet you believe that is how God treats his children. You neglect the live if God( luke11:42) you cannot show live to your neighbour by preaching that, so you ignore the two greatest comnandments on which the entire law hangs.
You may not do it intentionally, but you do it just the same.
For the letter you hinge everything g in kills!!!!!

I don't focus on sin and confession. I've already completed that and was immediately filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. I now abide in Him, and whatever I pray is granted. With that kind of relationship why would I want to follow the devil and sin?

If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No I wouldn't, because I know the Spirit of the Word, and the holiness of God.

To say you know me is a lie.

I didn't say I knew you as a person, but I do know your logic concerning spiritual understanding

 

[1stcenturylady]

Sin is the transgression of the law

If you observe the law you do not commit sin, if you fail to observe the law you do commit sin.
I can immediately given you a dozen verses where paul states you cannot/ will not be declared righteous/ justified by observing the law, and you must ignore the lot

I don't have to observe the law. I follow the Spirit.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't focus on sin and confession. I've already completed that and was immediately filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. I now abide in Him, and whatever I pray is granted. With that kind of relationship why would I want to follow the devil and sin?

If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

As I just told you. You ignore the two greatest comnandments on which the entire law hangs. You must believe God loves his children far less than my earthly parents love d me.
It is cruel and heartless preaching. And you yourself can most certainly not live up to what you demand of others

 

[1stcenturylady]

I didn't say I knew you as a person, but I do know your logic concerning spiritual understanding

By your accusations you're clueless.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't have to observe the law. I follow the Spirit.

A good example to being blind to the reality.
Just a pat statement that has no bearing on reality.
If anyone believes what you preach, that committing any sin is failing to follow after the holy Spirit, and therefore places you in a condemned state, they will live under a righteousness of observing the law.
That's the real world, and not gaga land

 

[1stcenturylady]

As I just told you. You ignore the two greatest comnandments on which the entire law hangs. You must believe God loves his children far less than my earthly parents love d me.
It is cruel and heartless preaching. And you yourself can most certainly not live up to what you demand of others

No it is hope to live an abundant life, abiding in Christ. You erroneously believe I am living under the law of sin and death. You couldn't be further from the truth. I live by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No it is hope to live an abundant life, abiding in Christ. You erroneously believe I am living under the law of sin and death. You couldn't be further from the truth. I live by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

So you preach the law of sin and death but don't live under it yourself

 

[1stcenturylady]

A good example to being blind to the reality.
Just a pat statement that has no bearing on reality.
If anyone believes what you preach, that committing any sin is failing to follow after the holy Spirit, and therefore places you in a condemned state, they will live under a righteousness of observing the law.
That's the real world, and not gaga land

The carnal mind that hasn't been renewed into the mind of Christ would have trouble living as I live. But I have the all powerful Holy Spirit who makes the Word of God alive in me. Saying that kind of life is not reality, is true. I'm not carnal any longer. If you knew me in Hollywood when I was dating movie stars, directors, writers and producers, to say nothing of stars in the music industry, you wouldn't believe the change in me OVERNIGHT! Warren Beatty used to call me to see if I was still going to church. You see, I had broken up with him for God.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So you preach the law of sin and death but don't live under it yourself

I don't preach it either. You and David believe because we are not under the law, the sins we commit are not imputed to us. Wrong. Paul made sure his words were not twisted and made sure to say the wages of sin is death.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The carnal mind that hasn't been renewed into the mind of Christ would have trouble living as I live. But I have the all powerful Holy Spirit who makes the Word of God alive in me. Saying that kind of life is not reality, is true. I'm not carnal any longer. If you knew me in Hollywood when I was dating movie stars, directors, writers and producers, to say nothing of stars in the music industry, you wouldn't believe the change in me OVERNIGHT! Warren Beatty used to call me to see if I was still going to church. You see, I had broken up with him for God.

No one can be a Christian unless the holy spirit resides in them. You do not have a monopoly on the Holy Spirit, neither does the church you attend

 

[Dan61861]

He does if you commit willful sin. You have to confess it and repent for it to be forgiven.

The sins we don't have to confess, are the ones we don't even realize are missing the bull's eye WHILE we are walking in the Spirit.

That is 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 2:1. No mention of repentance or confession there. Only after 1 John 1:6,8,10 do you still need to turn to Christ and repent to become a Christian.

Actually, it says there is no more sacrifice for willful sin.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

If you return to the Law, there is no more sacrifice for sin. You have made Christ's sacrifice nothing. Hebrews is warning Israel not to find righteousness in the Law.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

In Christ
Daniel