The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[SBC]

Or massive amounts of red text. My eyes cannot take it especially on a phone.

Sorry about that. However it only takes a one-liner for someone to make accusations;
And more in depth to show one their own errors, according to scripture.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[stuart lawrence]

Already did. That's what happens when you are sin, have sin, are forgiven, are washed and cleansed in Jesus' Blood, saved and become born again of Gods Seed.



What is your point? Having an impure thought, an unkind thought is a sin?
Really? That is what you supposedly asked God to forgive you for when (I will presume you might claim), became saved? born again?

Because WHEN the Lord saved my soul and quickened my spirit; it was because I was born in sin. I did not know him. I did not believe in Him. I did not worship Him.
In case you didn't know; that applies to every man born of the earth.

Well, I do not remember not believing; but personally I have never seen or heard of an account of (perhaps saved John the Baptist and Jesus), who were born believing.

God has provided a WAY for every part of a man to become made WHOLE; heart, body, soul, spirit. It's His devised WAY, that I have submitted to. And perhaps unlike you, I trust the Lord is faithful, in making me WHOLE, and acceptable to Him, and accessible to me with awesome fellowship!

1 Cor 1
[9] God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

I further trust the Lords forgiveness is sufficient, as He has said, and taught, for the forgiveness of ALL of my sins. Period.

I further trust the Lords Word, that my soul IS restored and reconciled unto Him.
I further trust the Lords Word, that He HAS quickened my spirit.
I further trust the Lords Word, that His Seed, His Spirit is within me.
I further trust the Lords Word, that my body is dead, sanctified, justified, with Christ.
....( and FYI, the dead CAN NOT SIN!)
I further trust the Lords Word, that I sin no more! that I can not sin!

1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



Sadly you are not the first person I have come across that teaches the Lords grace, forgiveness, restoring, quickening, power, is a fail; and that the man himself who claims to be saved and born again; teaches in reality, he is the SAME old weak repetitive sinner! Sad! Sad! Sad!

Exod.22
[31] And ye shall be holy men unto me:

Lev 11
[44] For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

1 Pet 1
[15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
[16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Matt 6
[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 Thes 5
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



Speaking the Lords TRUTH.

Obviously not here for you. However there are others aside from you who want to hear and see and learn how to understand.

Matt 13
[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.



Oh my. Having a sin moment?

God Bless,
SBC

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

I grow weary of people who robotically reel off the partial letter of scripture from their heads without being able to discern the spiritual message, or truth contained in the letter.
They are deceived, the truth is not in them

Jws, Mormons and Muslims can reel off the letter of selective scrupture, and frequently do to claim their beliefs are correct.

Im putting you on ignore. I have more worthwhile things to do than read the posts of someone deceived, who doesn't have the truth in them. I will leave you to plague others with your delusions

 

[Dan61861]

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

I grow weary of people who robotically reel off the partial letter of scripture from their heads without being able to discern the spiritual message, or truth contained in the letter.
They are deceived, the truth is not in them

Jws, Mormons and Muslims can reel off the letter of selective scrupture, and frequently do to claim their beliefs are correct.

Im putting you on ignore. I have more worthwhile things to do than read the posts of someone deceived, who doesn't have the truth in them. I will leave you to plague others with your delusions

That is the first time I heard the definition of we not applying to oneself and his audience.
John is definitely saying if he or any of us say this, than Christ is not in us.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[1stcenturylady]

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

I grow weary of people who robotically reel off the partial letter of scripture from their heads without being able to discern the spiritual message, or truth contained in the letter.
They are deceived, the truth is not in them

Jws, Mormons and Muslims can reel off the letter of selective scrupture, and frequently do to claim their beliefs are correct.

Im putting you on ignore. I have more worthwhile things to do than read the posts of someone deceived, who doesn't have the truth in them. I will leave you to plague others with your delusions

1 John 1:8 again??? You already know that is about the unsaved who don't think they sin. It is the same as "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That is everyone since Adam BEFORE Christ, including those under the law.

It is the opposite of 1 John 3: in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin.

That one you refuse to believe.

Don't you get it that the very next verse, 1 John 1:9 is how to BECOME a Christian? You are then cleansed of ALL YOUR SIN. But then 1 John 1:8 wouldn't serve your purpose would it? Your mind is closed tighter than a drum.

 

[stuart lawrence]

1 John 1:8 again??? You already know that is about the unsaved who don't think they sin. It is the same as "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." That is everyone since Adam BEFORE Christ, including those under the law.

It is the opposite of 1 John 3: in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin.

That one you refuse to believe.

Don't you get it that the very next verse, 1 John 1:9 is how to BECOME a Christian? You are then cleansed of ALL YOUR SIN. But then 1 John 1:8 wouldn't serve your purpose would it? Your mind is closed tighter than a drum.

I know that you are deceived sadly. and have dumbed the law of God down from its pristine level to a place you believe you can fully obey it.

The Apostle Paul was NOT deceived. He knew the letter kills( present tense)
You believe it is easy to obey the letter that kills!

I imagine you also believe the Lord's prayer was only valid until Christ's death:
Forgive us our trespasses.

James should not have told his readers to confess their sins one to another.
And when Jesus said if you don't forgive others when they sin against you your father will not forgive you your sins. This doesn't apply to you!
It's not a good place to be you know, being deceived

 

[1stcenturylady]

I know that you are deceived sadly. and have dumbed the law of God down from its pristine level to a place you believe you can fully obey it.

The Apostle Paul was NOT deceived. He knew the letter kills( present tense)
You believe it is easy to obey the letter that kills!

I imagine you also believe the Lord's prayer was only valid until Christ's death:
Forgive us our trespasses.

James should not have told his readers to confess their sins one to another.
And when Jesus said if you don't forgive others when they sin against you your father will not forgive you your sins. This doesn't apply to you!
It's not a good place to be you know, being deceived

To you, 1 John 3:5-6 isn't even in the Bible. Now who's sad.

 

[stuart lawrence]

And whos blood does Jesus blood cleanse from all sins? Believers, not non believers!

We includes John himself. He is part of the WE. He is not excluded from WE:

If WE claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us

A pointless remark to make if he is referring to non believers for the truth is not and cannot be in them

 

[stuart lawrence]

To you, 1 John 3:5-6 isn't even in the Bible. Now who's sad.

I'm afraid Pauls message isn't in your Bible is it, you reject it.
Tell me. If a Christians eye causes them to sin in thought or deed, would you tell them to pluck it out and throw it away?
They are the literal words of Christ after all

 

[1stcenturylady]

And whos blood does Jesus blood cleanse from all sins? Believers, not non believers!

We includes John himself. He is part of the WE. He is not excluded from WE:

If WE claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us

A pointless remark to make if he is referring to non believers for the truth is not and cannot be in them

Some sin and say they are without sin.
Some are cleansed of all sin, abide in Jesus and don't sin, and yet you say they are a liar if they claim this to be true.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I'm afraid Pauls message isn't in your Bible is it, you reject it.
Tell me. If a Christians eye causes them to sin in thought or deed, would you tell them to pluck it out and throw it away?
They are the literal words of Christ after all

Paul's message without a text? How convenient.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Some sin and say they are without sin.
Some are cleansed of all sin, abide in Jesus and don't sin, and yet you say they a liar if they claim this to be true.

As John says, and I agree with him. If you claim to be without sin you are deceived.
You have dumbed the law of God down from its pristine level to a place you yourself believe you can perfectly obey it. You are deceived

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul's message without a text? How convenient.

You want text?

Rom1:17, rom3:20, rom3:21&22, rom3:28, rom 4:4-6, rom6:14, rom 7:4-6, rom9:31-33, rom10:4, gal2:19-21, gal4:21, gal3:19-23, phil3:9

You want more?

 

[1stcenturylady]

As John says, and I agree with him. If you claim to be without sin you are deceived.v
You have dumbed the law of God down from its pristine level to a place you just yourself you can perfectly obey it. You are deceived

I agree with John that he who abide in Jesus does not sin. And Paul says we are dead to sin. That's two witnesses.

 

[1stcenturylady]

You want text?

Rom1:17, rom3:20, rom3:21&22, rom3:28, rom 4:4-6, rom6:14, rom 7:4-6, rom9:31-33, rom10:4, gal2:19-21, gal4:21, gal3:19-23, phil3:9

You want more?

What does he who abides in Jesus does not sin mean to you then?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I agree with John that he who abide in Jesus does not sin. And Paul says we are dead to sin. That's two witnesses.

You MUST read the Bible as a cohesive whole. Something many who go to your type if churches do not do.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin
Gal2:16

 

[1stcenturylady]

You MUST read the Bible as a cohesive whole. Something many who go to your type if churches do not do.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin
Gal2:16

I'm an individual that doesn't have a certain type of church. I'm without a denomination.

 

[stuart lawrence]

What does he who abides in Jesus does not sin mean to you then?

You should be dead to the desire to seek a sinfull lifestyle.
It is hopeless. I know your mentality, I used to have it, and over decades observed those who do have it.
You know the literal letter, but do NOT and CANNOT discern the true spiritual message contained in the letter you can endlessly reel off

 

[stuart lawrence]

I'm an individual that doesn't have a certain type of church. I'm without a denomination.

You don't only go to charismatic/ evangelical churches?

 

[1stcenturylady]

You should be dead to the desire to seek a sinfull lifestyle.
It is hopeless. I know your mentality, I used to have it, and over decades observed those who do have it.
You know the literal letter, but do NOT and CANNOT discern the true spiritual message contained in the letter you can endlessly reel off

You do not know my mentality, as you've never known anyone like me. And you certainly can't come close over the internet.

 

[Dan61861]

What does he who abides in Jesus does not sin mean to you then?

We are no longer under the Law, God does not impute sin onto us. John also says, if we sin and confess our sin Christ is faithful to forgive us.

We abide in Christ, He has cleansed us of all sin. This is the only way one is righteous before God.

In Christ
Daniel