The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[1stcenturylady]

Obeying the holy spirit requires honesty to defend spiritual truth does it not?
Thus must come before seeking to defend another.

Can someone be a faithful follower of Christ if they are a habitual thief, and therefore constantly breaking one of the TC?
Following after the holy spirit requires a straightforward answer according to your convictions.
.can a devil be a faithful follower of Christ?
Same applies here

The demons believe and tremble in fear; a human being can repent.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The demons believe and tremble in fear; a human being can repent.

Your continued refusal to state and defend the truth of the spiritual truth you undoubtedly believe is not being led of the holy spirit

 

[1stcenturylady]

Your continued refusal to state and defend the truth of the spiritual truth you undoubtedly believe is not being led of the holy spirit

Stuart, there was a huge difference between us being under the law of sin and death, and the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Since Adam, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But since Christ has died and given us His Spirit to infuse and empower us, ALL of the disciples changed. Even Judas, he gave back the money, except he was so guilt ridden he chose to kill himself. For him, he didn't know or live long enough to find out that Jesus would live again three days later. Don't you think Jesus would have forgiven him if he asked?

Even Jeffrey Dahmer, repented and became a Christian in prison.

I'm not sure I know what answer I'm not giving you, just don't start accusing me, okay? Be sweet.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Stuart, there was a huge difference between us being under the law of sin and death, and the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Since Adam, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But since Christ has died and given us His Spirit to infuse and empower us, ALL of the disciples changed. Even Judas, he gave back the money, except he was so guilt ridden he chose to kill himself. For him, he didn't know or live long enough to find out that Jesus would live again three days later. Don't you think Jesus would have forgiven him if he asked?

I'm not sure I know what answer I'm not giving you, just don't start accusing me, okay?

You know perfectly well the two answers you are avoiding giving. Don't add fibbing to evasion of defending spiritual truth!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Unfortunately, a certain type of denomination is far more guilty than others of reeling off pat statements from heads that do not reflect the reality of there's or anyone elses life.
It is so easy to say you always walk after the holy spirit, but for many, they seem not to understand what that entails

 

[1stcenturylady]

You know perfectly well the two answers you are avoiding giving. Don't add fibbing to evasion of defending spiritual truth!

No I don't. And now you are yelling (I can hear you from here). I'm going to go have my tea.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No I don't. And now you are yelling (I can hear you from here). I'm going to go have my tea.

Fibbing and evading defending spiritual truth is following after the flesh, not walking after the Spirit

 

[1stcenturylady]

Fibbing and evading defending spiritual truth is following after the flesh, not walking after the Spirit

I'm not fibbing. I'll go back and see if I can find the post you are alluding to.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Can someone be a faithful follower of Christ if they are a habitual thief, and therefore constantly breaking one of the TC?

Okay, I've already answered this question. The answer is no if they claim to be a Christian after Pentecost. But we were talking about Judas, right? Like the rest of the disciples they were all weak in the flesh BEFORE receiving the Holy Spirit.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Okay, I've already answered this question. The answer is no if they claim to be a Christian after Pentecost. But we were talking about Judas, right? Like the rest of the disciples they were all weak in the flesh BEFORE receiving the Holy Spirit.

I'm afraid that is a response lacking spiritual insight:

If you want to enter life obey the commandments.
Which ones the man enquired.
Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not STEAL.... Matt19:18

So in your view, a faithfull follower of Christ could not enter life.

The mind boggles. I will leave you to it. I assume you will try and justify your opinion somehow

 

[stuart lawrence]

So someone can be a habitual thief under a law of righteousness but still be a faithful follower of Christ. However, once the law of righteousness is removed, if you are then a habitual thief you cannot be a faithful follower if Christ.
What can one say?
These websites are amusing at times

 

[1stcenturylady]

I'm afraid that is a response lacking spiritual insight:

If you want to enter life obey the commandments.
Which ones the man enquired.
Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not STEAL.... Matt19:18

So in your view, a faithfull follower of Christ could not enter life.

The mind boggles. I will leave you to it. I assume you will try and justify your opinion somehow

What are you saying, that we are under the law of sin and death? Now THAT boggles the mind.

 

[stuart lawrence]

What are you saying, that we are under the law of sin and death? Now THAT boggles the mind.

In case you didn't realise. When Jesus walked this earth, the OC, not the new one was in operation.
I'm not discussing this with you anymore. I'm sorry your reasoning is absurd

 

[1stcenturylady]

In case you didn't realise. When Jesus walked this earth, the OC, not the new one was in operation.
I'm not discussing this with you anymore. I'm sorry your reasoning is absurd

I have said over and over that Judas repented AFTER being a thief all his life, and even walking with Jesus. I'm sure he broke many more commandments. What I'm saying is there is no sin that cannot be forgiven. We will never know what could have happened with Judas because he ended his own life.

 

[Dan61861]

Judas was not saved, he would not become saved, he could never become saved.

The Holy Spirit by the mouth of David spake concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For He was numbered with us, and had obtain PART of this ministry.

For it is written in the book of Psalms, let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick. Let another take.

This had to be fulfilled.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[stuart lawrence]

Judas was not saved, he would not become saved, he could never become saved.

The Holy Spirit by the mouth of David spake concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For He was numbered with us, and had obtain PART of this ministry.

For it is written in the book of Psalms, let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick. Let another take.

This had to be fulfilled.

In Christ
Daniel

AMEN

 

[Dan61861]

As far as Peter being satan. That is the most rediculas thing I have heard. That's like saying, the Bible says God is a rock, so God must be a rock.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[JLB777]

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

Thank you for making my point.

Dont just quote scripture. Explain it.
Explain how someone is not under a law of righteousness, but if they sin/ fail to obey the law by failing to follow after the holy spirit they are placed back under the condemnation of the law.

Ok, explain Romans 10:4 for us, the scripture you quoted.

If Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, then why do you keep asking everyone if the perfectly keep the law.

Do you yourself perfectly keep the law, if so, why, since Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.


Here is the law of righteousness: He who practices righteousness is righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7




JLB

 

[1stcenturylady]

Judas was not saved, he would not become saved, he could never become saved.

The Holy Spirit by the mouth of David spake concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For He was numbered with us, and had obtain PART of this ministry.

For it is written in the book of Psalms, let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick. Let another take.

This had to be fulfilled.

In Christ
Daniel

Yes, but still even though he could no longer have the office of apostle, doesn't mean that he couldn't be saved, seeing as he did repent. But he killed himself, so his repentance was for naught. Scripture foretells the end result.

Even Jeffrey Dahmer, some of the Manson followers, Son of Sam, and Charles Coleson, to name just a few became Christians in prison after their crimes.

There is unbelievable power in the blood of Jesus, if we choose to apply it.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Thank you for making my point.




Ok, explain Romans 10:4 for us, the scripture you quoted.

If Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, then why do you keep asking everyone if the perfectly keep the law.

Do you yourself perfectly keep the law, if so, why, since Christ is the end of the law for righteousness.


Here is the law of righteousness: He who practices righteousness is righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7




JLB

I see you didn't/couldn't answer the question, so I will reciprocate