The Double Message of Eternal Security.

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If Noah did not build the Ark for him and his family, do you think he would have been saved?



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The 144,000 are found without fault before the throne of God (See Revelation 14:3-5).


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Because they are washed clean by the blood of the lamb Jason.

 

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You said...
1 John 3:8 “He that committeth sin is of the devil;
Why should we believe you Jason, you sin, you are of the devil.
Your own words testify against you.

Not at all. 1 John 3:8 is in reference to serious sin because it is tied to not loving your brother and not doing righteousness (See 1 John 3:10). Also, my life is not ruled by sin day in and day out. My walk is upright with the Lord. All sins that were committed on rare occasions have been confessed and cleansed by Jesus. For if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin (1 John 1:9). This is in harmony with walking in the light as he is in the light (See 1 John 1:7). This in harmony with John telling us to "sin not" (1 John 2:1). It would make no sense for John to tell us to "sin not" if we could not do so.


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Because they are washed clean by the blood of the lamb Jason.

Well, it talks about righteous actions that they did. Read it. Revelation 14:3-5.
This is what is in context to them being blameless.

As for the blood of the Lamb: How do you get the blood applied to your life?

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7).



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What makes you righteous?

 

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Well, it talks about righteous actions that they did. Read it. Revelation 14:3-5.
This is what is in context to them being blameless.

As for the blood of the Lamb: How do you get the blood applied to your life?

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7).



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I believe the Gospel. Christ and Him crucified. There is no other way. When we believe that Christ alone has died for our sins, we walk in the light. You see, it is all about God, not us.

All of this time, I have been declaring Christ and Him crucified while you declare righteousness in the Law.

In Christ
Daniel

 

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What makes you righteous?

Jesus Christ imputes righteousness to me by having faith in Him without any works when I first accepted Him because I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and I asked Him to save me and I believed in His death and resurrection for salvation on my behalf. Then from that point, Jesus Christ continues to impute His righteousness to me (within my life) when I walk in the light as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).
This is not my righteousness ultimately.
It is Christ doing the good work in me or through me (See John 15:5).

So Jesus saves both in Justification and in Sanctification.
So salvation is entirely in the Lord.


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Give me that list Jason... I am really interested in reading about these Holy men.

 

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I believe the Gospel. Christ and Him crucified. There is no other way. When we believe that Christ alone has died for our sins, we walk in the light. You see, it is all about God, not us.

All of this time, I have been declaring Christ and Him crucified while you declare righteousness in the Law.

In Christ
Daniel

No, You are not believing 1 John 1:7. It says.... IF... IF...IF we walk in the light as he is in the light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from sin.


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Rom3:20 is speaking of the law.
In rom ch7 Paul explains that, includes: thou shalt not covet, one of the TC.
Jason states we are under a law of righteousness concerning: Thou shalt not covet

Yes, Romans 1 through 7 is talking about OT law. But 6 begins to show us that even though the law made us aware of SIN, we are DEAD TO SIN. Why, because of NT SPIRIT. Now instead of law on stone, we follow after the Spirit who wrote the law on our conscience and also gives us the power to keep by our new lack of desire to sin.

 

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Give me that list Jason... I am really interested in reading about these Holy men.

I already told you. It is the 144,000.


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That is exactly what I am saying, Christ fulfilled the Law. There had to be a scapegoat. Jesus is the scapegoat, our sins were placed onto Him.
Christ is our covering. All the glory belongs to Christ alone!
The Gospel is simple, it is Christ and Him crucified!

We walk in liberty. Yet God forbid any of us sin.
We are promised a change, not in this life but in the life to come!
Christ is our Hope.

In Christ
Daniel

What happens if we willfully sin?

 

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What happens if we willfully sin?

I know this one. But I will let him answer.


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Jesus Christ imputes righteousness to me by having faith in Him without any works when I first accepted Him because I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and I asked Him to save me and I believed in His death and resurrection for salvation on my behalf. Then from that point, Jesus Christ continues to impute His righteousness to me (within my life) when I walk in the light as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).
This is not my righteousness ultimately.
It is Christ doing the good work in me or through me (See John 15:5).

So Jesus saves both in Justification and in Sanctification.
So salvation is entirely in the Lord.


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My friend, you are so close. Until you get to the but than...

Christ imputes righteousness to me by having faith in Him without any works when I first accepted Him because I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and I asked Him to save me and I believed in His death and resurrection for salvation on my behalf.

From this point on you are born again, Born under the Grace of God. This is where God no longer imputes sin to the Believer. For Blessed is the man whom the Lord does not impute sin. Being born under Grace, you are no longer under the Law. Christ is your covering. The Holy Spirit begins to work in your life.

The problem is Jason, you think you are good. Man is not good, only God. The great message is, God's mercy is upon us!

Btw, The sin unto death is unbelief. Christ has cleansed us from all other sin. The sins not unto death are the sins Christ has washed away.

For the wages of sin are death. But the gift of God is eternal life through Christ our Lord.

see how those fit together?

In Christ
Daniel

 

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What happens if we willfully sin?

Honestly, we all willfully sin. You, Me...everyone. We take our sins to Christ, confess them and He is sure to forgive them.

HE COVERS THEM WITH HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
It is all about what God has done for us.

WE can offer nothing to God. It is Christ and Him crucified!

How great is the love and mercy God has for man. Praise God, magnify God.

In Christ
Daniel

 

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Do you understand, in the Law once a year the sins of all the people were placed on the High Priest. He would atone for there sins with a sacrifice.

Jesus is our High Priest, are sins have been placed on Him. He has atoned for our Sins with the Blood of the New Covenant. He has done it once for all, when we accept Him we are born again, under the Grace of God. This is why God says...the blessed are those that God no longer imputes sin too. We are not under the Law.

As I mentioned before, God had provided a covering during the day, a fire to give light in the darkness.

Jesus fulfilled this.
He is that covering, He is that consuming fire, He is the light of the world.

In Christ
Daniel

 

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One of us talks about Christ and glorifies Christ.

The other talks about man and the righteousness he has by not sinning.

It is all about Christ!

In Christ
Daniel


BTW Jason, you made the claim...I am still waiting for that list of Holy men who do not sin.

 

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When Moses struck the Rock, the water rushed out.

Christ fulfilled this:
He is the Rock, The Holy Spirit is the water that was poured out on Pentecost.

In Christ
Daniel

 

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It is all about Christ! When Jacob separated the spotted and the blemished and they turned white.

Christ fulfilled this....We are the spotted and the blemished that Christ has made white.

In Christ
Daniel

 

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It is all about Christ! In the Garden, the tree of life was guarded by two angels in the way.

Christ fulfilled this...He is the Tree of Life. He is the way, the truth and the Life.

In Christ
Daniel