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The Doctrine of Eternal Security-Is It Biblical?

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There are many in the world that wear the badge of a Christian-teacher. These false teachers have not the Holy Spirit and are a danger to new born babes in Christ.

No matter what scripture is given they can twist it to seemingly support their teaching of error.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
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Agreed! So many pastors now who topically preach (not every one) twist the meanings of scripture so much because, in my view, many of them do not know that original languages and therefore cannot derive the actual meaning of certain scriptures. Thus, many end up contradicting themselves in sermons unknowingly.
 
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AnthonyE1778 said:
The doctrine of eternal security states that if you have had one moment of belief in Christ then you are immediately shot into God's inner circle of fellowship...you are eternally saved and there is nothing that you can do to get out of it. There is no great sin or act that you can commit that will take you out of fellowship with God. Even Blasphemy! I happen to agree with this doctrine. I call it the "Circles of Fellowship with God".

(John 3:16) A moment of faith alone in Christ alone shoots you into the innermost circle entitled "Experiential Truth". Inside this inner circle you earn eternal rewards (Matthew 6:19-20; 1st Corinthians 3:11-15) and you have personal fellowship with God (1st John 1:3-10). It is a temporal blessing. However, unconfessed sin will put you into the outer circle of fellowship in which the believer will recieve discipline (Hebrews 12), will lose rewards (Galatians 5; Ephesians 5), and enables the doctrine of sinning unto death (1st John 5:16). The believer still has, however, eternal life forever in the family of God (John 1:12-13) and is still born again (John 3:3-18). Once the believer confesses his/her known sins (1st John 1:9) they are back in the inner circle. Anyplace outside these two circles of course is also known as the "state of the unbeliever".

Now I have read the scriptures and presented my facts to many people before and some still claim that actions such as "suicide" will get you straight into hell whether you are saved or not. What is your opinion on the matter?

I believe that the doctrine of eternal security is Biblical. But that doctrine does NOT state that one moment of belief shoots you into God's inner circle of fellowship... "...the demons believe, and tremble."

SALVATION, GIFT OR LOAN?


Romans 6:23.… “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Romans 11:29.… “For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”

For those who believe that one may be born-again and become a new creation in Christ Jesus (see 2Cor.5:17) and then at some later time lose their salvation…. the word “eternal” must mean temporary, and the word “gift” must mean loan.

(the above Scriptures are taken from the New King James edition of the Bible, some emphasis added).


W.A.B.​


 
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hoser said:
No, there is absolutely nothing biblical about "eternal security" or "OSAS". It is a man made doctrine that is about 200-300 years old. I realize that there are many people here that dispute this, but then you might as well go ahead and sin. Sin like crazy, because it does not matter at all. You are saved. Have fun with your life.

Not biblical?

Ephesians 1:13
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,


Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
 
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It's very biblical. Some just won't accept it because maybe they want a little credit for getting themselves into heaven. Or there afraid people will use it to live a life of depravity. Some may do that but that doesn't negate the biblical teaching in support of OSAS. Not going to be agreement on this.
 
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Lynn73 said:
It's very biblical. Some just won't accept it because maybe they want a little credit for getting themselves into heaven. Or there afraid people will use it to live a life of depravity. Some may do that but that doesn't negate the biblical teaching in support of OSAS. Not going to be agreement on this.

Agreed! :thumbsup:
 
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Luke 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 
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John Calvin taught that once we come to faith, we cannot NOT believe, we're locked into faith. Many Calvinists continue this doctrine today. The great majority of Christians disagree.


Here are MY thoughts...


IF a Christian was overwhelmed by their unworthiness and weakness, if they were overwhelmed by the power of sin and Satan, if they were truly concerned that they might not be saved, here's what I'd say:

Romans 8:29-39, For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all--how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "

Mark 13:22, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.

John 4:14, "but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

John 20:28, I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

1 Thess. 5:24, "The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.

Hebrews 10:14, "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Rev. 3:5, "I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels."

I would NOT make doctrine out of these, but I would apply these - and others - to comfort and assure them.


IF the person thought, "Hey, why not eat, drink and be merry? Hey, I can do whatever I want, think whatever I want, believe whatever I want - because 'ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED!' Hey, I was baptized, hey I did the Billy Graham altar call thing, so I'm saved!!!" Here's what I'd say:


John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

Hebrews 10:26, "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."

2 Peter 1:8-10, "But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."

Rev. 3:5, He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.

Luke 12:8, "He who disowns Me before men will be disowned before the angels of God."


And all the many verses that talk about being faithful... I would NOT make doctrine out of this, it's just the verses I might use in such a case.


As so often in theology, we find there are "two sides of the coin." To ME, the approach is NOT to take all the Scriptures, subject them to our limited, fallable, sinful, human LOGIC and force them to "fit" and "make sense" to US. To ME, the approach is to accept both "sets" of scriptures at their face value and allow them to stand just as God inspired them. The approach, then, is in how to APPLY them in all their truth and power - rather than in how to force them to fit together.


MY view.
- Josiah
 
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A. Love That Secures
This passage tells of a love that secures. “Nothing,” Paul wrote, can “separate us from the love of God. . . .” God’s love is proven through Christ’s death on the cross to provide for the salvation of mankind. It is the inseparable love of God that saves and that secures.

B. Limitations That Secure
From this passage, you learn of limitations that secure your salvation. Nothing– not anything– can separate us from the amazing love of God. Romans 8:38-39 lists ten categories of things which cannot separate us. These limitations which secure us are:
1. death; 2. nor life; 3. nor angels; 4. nor principalities; 5. nor powers; 6. nor things present; 7. nor things to come; 8. nor height; 9. nor depth; 10. nor any other creature.


What can separate us? Our sin cannot, for it is a thing present. Neither can Satan separate us, for he is an angel which has fallen. You cannot even separate yourself, for you are any other creature. Nothing can separate you from God. It is this provision of God’s love that keeps you saved.

Protection of Salvation
Because God loves you so much, He protects you. You have been redeemed (or saved) by the precious blood of His own Son. Therefore, you are of great value to Almighty God.
Because He loves and values you, notice how God protects you. John wrote of this protection, “And I give unto them [ETERNAL LIFE]; and they shall never perish, neither shall [ANY MAN] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and [NO MAN] is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand” (John 10:28-29).

A. Savior’s Hand
First, the Believer is described as being in the Savior’s hand. Jesus wants you to know that He has you safe and secure in His hand. As He holds on to you, no man, not anyone can take you from His hand. His hand is a place of safety and security.

B. Sovereign Hand
Yet again Jesus assures us of our safety by telling us we are also in the sovereign hand of His Father. In His hand, no man can pluck you out. In Their hands, you are safe and secure for all eternity. In fact, verse 29 teaches what I call the “double eternal security” of the Believer.

It is this protection of salvation which assures you that you can never lose your salvation. You are safe and secure in the hands of the Father and of His Son.
 
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Sorry if I butt into something that has already been said, guys, but I have not read the whole thread.

My problem: if this was true, then who would ever be lost? Why does Christ speak of souls being cast into the eternal fire as a result of not having fed the hungry etc.?

(Don't worry about my faith icon. I am a Catholic, but I have an open (unsatisfied) mind about this question.)
 
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Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Man has a free will to stay in the fold or leave it. It is not what we did many years ago that keeps us saved today, it is what we do each day.

1 Cor. 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
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Normann said:
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Man has a free will to stay in the fold or leave it. It is not what we did many years ago that keeps us saved today, it is what we do each day.

1 Cor. 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

MAtthew 10:38 is probably referring to the unbeliever in general, or it is of the Christian who is not worthy, yet God still will allow into his kingdom. Romans 8:1 means that those who are believers and actually walk in the Faith will not be condemned but the believers who do not will be condemned...not from the Kingdom of God, but from Eternal Rewards and such...
 
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Oh me where to start. First of all Eternal Security is exactly what is taught by the Bible. I believe this passage saysit best Romans 9: 31-39

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? [It is] God who justifies. 34 Who [is] he who condemns? [It is] Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [Shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Paul seems to have an all inclusive list here. And he is clearly saying that what is God's God don't loose. However since there is much more scripture to support this doctrin let's move on to some of it. How about Romans chapter 5.
(NKJV) Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only [that,] but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only [that,] but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned -- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift [is] not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift [is] not like [that which came] through the one who sinned. For the judgment [which came] from one [offense resulted] in condemnation, but the free gift [which came] from many offenses [resulted] in justification. 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore, as through one man's offense [judgment] came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act [the free gift came] to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Seems Paul is driving homethepoint that once you belong to Jesus you are His. Notice Paul's attention to grace vs. law this seems to explain alot. Also notice in verse 21 the word eternal now where I went to school eternal means without end. So ifsalvation can be lost would that be semi eternal.
Next let's move to John 3:13-18
13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, [that is,] the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
UM twicw in those few verses the eternal is in focus where salvation is concerned wonder why Jesus would have said that if it is not true.
Or how about Romans 8:1
[size=+1](NKJV) Romans 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. [/size]
And if one is truely saved in the first place he is walking according to the Spirit because the Holy Spirit has indewelled his heart.

Just a few thoughts on the issue.
In The Love OF Christ, Tom
 
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tommiegrant said:
Oh me where to start. First of all Eternal Security is exactly what is taught by the Bible. I believe this passage saysit best Romans 9: 31-39

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? [It is] God who justifies. 34 Who [is] he who condemns? [It is] Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [Shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Paul seems to have an all inclusive list here. And he is clearly saying that what is God's God don't loose. However since there is much more scripture to support this doctrin let's move on to some of it. How about Romans chapter 5.
(NKJV) Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only [that,] but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only [that,] but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned -- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift [is] not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift [is] not like [that which came] through the one who sinned. For the judgment [which came] from one [offense resulted] in condemnation, but the free gift [which came] from many offenses [resulted] in justification. 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore, as through one man's offense [judgment] came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act [the free gift came] to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Seems Paul is driving homethepoint that once you belong to Jesus you are His. Notice Paul's attention to grace vs. law this seems to explain alot. Also notice in verse 21 the word eternal now where I went to school eternal means without end. So ifsalvation can be lost would that be semi eternal.
Next let's move to John 3:13-18
13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, [that is,] the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
UM twicw in those few verses the eternal is in focus where salvation is concerned wonder why Jesus would have said that if it is not true.
Or how about Romans 8:1
[size=+1](NKJV) Romans 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. [/size]
And if one is truely saved in the first place he is walking according to the Spirit because the Holy Spirit has indewelled his heart.

Just a few thoughts on the issue.
In The Love OF Christ, Tom

Amen Brother!:) :amen:
 
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