The divine experience

[ArcaneLifeforceMysteria]

Jesus said, I am the doorway, the path, the life and the way of truth. But, as Christians, what I think we look over or past is just where Jesus is found and idolized--that which is upon the cross.

If Jesus is the doorway then where that doorway rests is through suffering; all of which is dependent upon the cross. If the cross is the doorway then it must be necessarily true that pain is a divine experience. It is all what lays within the symbols, the potentiality served behind and within--that we see the essence of the truth; and that which remains in suffering. Pain, therefore, must be divine if it is a part of the attributes of God.

We must recognize a purpose in all that consists of life. If all things consist of Jesus and Jesus consists of all things then what we find irrelevant or unreasonable can be enlightened through this truth of Jesus being all things. Only then, if we realize this, can we solve the problem of evil, its necessity to the suffering.

PAIN IS PART OF DIVINITY.

 

[Emmy]

Dear ArcaneLifeforceMysteria. May I ask with humility and love, you style yourself in the Public Profile, as Pagan. Why do you say that Jesus wants us to suffer? He died, that we might have life, life in abundance. We were not promised an easy life, but Jesus abhorred the pain we often suffer. He freed us from being slaves to the Evil One, He reconciled us to God, our Heavenly Father. He is the Way, the Truth , and the Life. Men and women have hard lives, but Jesus helps and guides us, and with Him by our side, life becomes bearable, it is His Good News, which leads us on. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[ArcaneLifeforceMysteria]

Dear ArcaneLifeforceMysteria. May I ask with humility and love, you style yourself in the Public Profile, as Pagan. Why do you say that Jesus wants us to suffer? He died, that we might have life, life in abundance. We were not promised an easy life, but Jesus abhorred the pain we often suffer. He freed us from being slaves to the Evil One, He reconciled us to God, our Heavenly Father. He is the Way, the Truth , and the Life. Men and women have hard lives, but Jesus helps and guides us, and with Him by our side, life becomes bearable, it is His Good News, which leads us on. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

What I am trying to say is that pain is the purging and the doorway to self-reflection. Even those in purgatory are suffering in pain and what is the root of the word but purge.

Pain is the purging, the long-suffering that we must endure. The gateway to divinity. The earth is but a mere furnace; and whether you like it or not, if God created the heaven and the earth and all things within then pain has it's purpose. God does not consist of all things and all things do not consist of him without a purpose. There is a higher wisdom at work. You just haven't realized it yet.

And were you freed from the evil one...because if I think about it real hard then I could imagine that the things we do everyday is the burden of the yoke of the evil one. Money for instance...

 

[acropolis]

Linking suffering to Jesus doesn't resolve the problem of suffering.

How could a meaningful definition of 'benevolent' include the desire for suffering?

Either the meaning of 'benevolent' is changed until it's useless, or else the nature of God in the problem of suffering is being changed to something more like malevolence.

Edit: Since it is implied from the assumptions of the problem of suffering that everything has a purpose, then suffering has a purpose like anything else. Not much else can be said about that purpose other than it must be God's will. But this doesn't neatly resolve the problem of suffering, since an omnipotent God could have just as easily created beings which were perfect already, or otherwise avoided suffering.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Even God must have laws, else our existence would collapse. If pain is part of divinity, then God, who made us in his image, would have made suffering a part of who we are.

What bothers me is that people automatically equate pain with bad and pleasure with good. I suppose that's natural instinct, but that's not the point. There was a German author named Herman Hesse who wrote books dealing with the conflicts of flesh and spirit. In one of his books he commented on how a person who's face was in intense pain, looked just like that of one who's face was contorted by intense pleasure.

I'm not saying we should all become cutters or anything, but it was my own pain that brought me to Christianity and created my desire to see God. I'm going to have to agree with Arcane on this one.

 

[Emmy]

Dear ArcaneLifeforceMysteria. I am not denying that some men and women suffer great pain, and how that fits into God`s Plan for us, we do not know. Jesus came and paid the debt which God`s Holy Law demanded from us, we had moved too far away from God, we had become steeped in sin and transgression. Jesus suffered the pain for us, Jesus paid with His Blood, at the same time He vanquished Satan on Golgotha, and Death had lost its sting. Jesus came also to bring us Good News, He promised us life abundantly while on Earth. Our price was to learn to love selflessly, without any gain other, than to be with God, our Heavenly Father. 1) Love gGod with all our being, 2) love each other, as we love ourselves. Jesus God - Son, will help and guide us, all the way to God`s Kingdom, with many mansions. There is much pain in our earthly lives, and it is true that pain is a teacher, but PAIN is NOT from God. Jesus often rebuked Satan as the one responsible for much pain, sometimes we bring pain on ourselves, or loved ones, or others. I go as far as saying, pain is not sent by God as a divine experience. The Evil One would love us to think so, but I won`t accept it. I say this with deep humility and love, ArcaneLifeforcemysteria. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.