The destiny of bruce willis

[Divide]

Out of body experiences aren't really the same as someone existing without their brain. Out of body experiences are a whole separate thing to a person not having a brain and being able to live, as the OP claims.

So who said anything about OOBE? I know those new agers like to try to astral project and all that stuff, but that isn't what I was talking about at all. I was speaking of Near Death Experiences.

They happen different ways, some are pregnant mothers, others have been in an auto accident. But they all have one thing in common, a dead body on the table! Flatline! Code Blue! Ring a bell?

Lots of them say they floated up above all the people in the OR and watch them try to save their body which has died, some have gone to the hospital chapel where the family is praying for them and was able to tell them what they said after they came back to their body! Some go to a different dimension, Heaven many times, sometimes hell.

But their body was dead on the table and they knew what was going on. Thes are no out of body experiences, they are near Death experiences. The big difference is that in a near death experience, the person is dead. No heart, respiration or brain activity. They are dead. Dead dead.

Then 20 minutes later they sit up and say, hey the surgeon had on mismatched socks or whatever and it becomes apparent, those people were brain dead and in the room conscious at the same time.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So who said anything about OOBE? I know those new agers like to try to astral project and all that stuff, but that isn't what I was talking about at all. I was speaking of Near Death Experiences.

They happen different ways, some are pregnant mothers, others have been in an auto accident. But they all have one thing in common, a dead body on the table! Flatline! Code Blue! Ring a bell?

Lots of them say they floated up above all the people in the OR and watch them try to save their body which has died, some have gone to the hospital chapel where the family is praying for them and was able to tell them what they said after they came back to their body! Some go to a different dimension, Heaven many times, sometimes hell.

But their body was dead on the table and they knew what was going on. Thes are no out of body experiences, they are near Death experiences. The big difference is that in a near death experience, the person is dead. No heart, respiration or brain activity. They are dead. Dead dead.

Then 20 minutes later they sit up and say, hey the surgeon had on mismatched socks or whatever and it becomes apparent, those people were brain dead and in the room conscious at the same time.

What you have described is an out of body experience in its simplest form, and it is NOT the same as what the OP talks about which a person going on with their lives while having no brain. That's what you're being asked to provide examples of: people living their lives, existing, without a brain.

 

[Larniavc]

What about all those people who say they've had a NDE and they did go somewhere else on the other side?

They are either liars or mistaken. They has NEVER been a case where a NDE was evidence of an extant personality without a brain.

 

[Divide]

They are either liars or mistaken. They has NEVER been a case where a NDE was evidence of an extant personality without a brain.

I did say that you would need deductive reasoning.

You believe what you want to believe. But I personally know better. This body is only a temporary dwelling for us. I have a rusty Nova. It's got a lot of miles on it.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

 

[Larniavc]

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

None of that means that there are people walking around normally with only their brain stems in their heads though, does it?

 

[d taylor]

I did say that you would need deductive reasoning.

You believe what you want to believe. But I personally know better. This body is only a temporary dwelling for us. I have a rusty Nova. It's got a lot of miles on it.

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Why are you trying to defend the absurd post made by an atheist about people not needing a brain.

 

[Bradskii]

I'm impressed that anyone said hey give us one. I will. You will need deductive reasoning.

Do you understand how many personal Testimonies that I have heard from people? How many Testimonies have you ever heard where people give account of being taken up in spirit to somewhere else?

Unless I'm mistaken, they still had a brain while this was happening.

I keep think having these experiences where I am somewhere else with people who have already died. I can give you details if you like.

 

[Bradskii]

So who said anything about OOBE? I know those new agers like to try to astral project and all that stuff, but that isn't what I was talking about at all. I was speaking of Near Death Experiences.

They happen different ways, some are pregnant mothers, others have been in an auto accident. But they all have one thing in common, a dead body on the table! Flatline! Code Blue! Ring a bell?

Lots of them say they floated up above all the people in the OR and watch them try to save their body which has died, some have gone to the hospital chapel where the family is praying for them and was able to tell them what they said after they came back to their body! Some go to a different dimension, Heaven many times, sometimes hell.

But their body was dead on the table and they knew what was going on. Thes are no out of body experiences, they are near Death experiences. The big difference is that in a near death experience, the person is dead. No heart, respiration or brain activity. They are dead. Dead dead.

Then 20 minutes later they sit up and say, hey the surgeon had on mismatched socks or whatever and it becomes apparent, those people were brain dead and in the room conscious at the same time.

You know what the N stands for in NDE?

 

[dlamberth]

Regarding near-death experiences, this article just popped up on my news feed.

Scientists saw a surge in brain activity in dying patients that could finally help explain mysterious near-death experiences

 

[JohnEmmett]

Scientists … could finally … explain mysterious near-death experiences

Finally?


It’s not a mystery

 

[sjastro]

You know what the N stands for in NDE?

With some of the nonsense exhibited in this forum I'd say NDE stands for Non Detectable Education.

 

[JohnEmmett]

NDE stands for Non Detectable Education.

You do not appear to be religious

 

[sjastro]

You do not appear to be religious

Exhibit A.

 

[JohnEmmett]

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[Divide]

Unless I'm mistaken, they still had a brain while this was happening.

I keep think having these experiences where I am somewhere else with people who have already died. I can give you details if you like.

So a brain dead on the table isn't they had no brain no more?

You guyys want the reverse angle? The Frankenstein deal where there is a human and they remove his brain and the body keeps living?

Surely you jest.

 

[Bradskii]

So a brain dead on the table isn't they had no brain no more?

They'll still have a brain. Unless someone's taken it out. But if brain is dead, and there's no easy way to say this, I'm afraid the person who owns it is dead as well
.

 

[AV1611VET]

They'll still have a brain. Unless someone's taken it out. But if brain is dead, and there's no easy way to say this, I'm afraid the person who owns it is dead as well
.

Dunno.

I've been called "brain dead" I don't know how many times now!

 

[JohnEmmett]

I've been called "brain dead" I don't know how many times now!

Because you rely too much on Faith

 

[AV1611VET]

Because you rely too much on Faith

Ouch!

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

While you're at it, read all of Hebrews 11.

We call it the Hall of Faith chapter.

You can see what great men of God did by faith in that chapter.

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 ( Of whom the world was not worthy: ) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Academia's idea of faith, on the other hand, is:

"Believing in something you know ain't so."

 

[JohnEmmett]

You can see what great men of God did by faith in that chapter.

Atheists rely too much on skepticism


Perhaps you can see why that’s a problem