The Democrat's big lie

[BPPLEE]

Of that I am sure. Harris has two great qualities as a candidate for Democrats:

• She's not senile.
• She's not Trump.

That's how low we seem to have set the bar in American politics.



I take comfort in knowing that no matter what happens, God is still on the throne. And this year, that's just going to have to be enough.

I’ve added a third: she’s a “first” - first female person of color.

 

[probinson]

Of course they do. There's an old line from a Jimmy Stewart movie I remember which sums it up......There's the truth and then there's the legend.....and when truth actually clashes with the legend one longs to believe they'll go with the legend. It's convenient and it feels good and we can make ourselves believe it if we try.

I guess that's how cognitive dissonance works.

 

[probinson]

Did you really want the Dems to do what they should have done and had Biden drop out last year?

Yes.

Do you guess that Trump would have had a better chance against the winner of a set of primaries?

No idea. Counterfactuals are silly and 100% speculative.

Could the reality just be that Trump is really upset that he can't run against Biden.

Could be.

My question is why he is so afraid of Harris. Surely, open primaries were likely to produce a much more difficult opponent than Harris.

This is a weird question.

Not even 6 days ago, the NYT published an article calling Harris the "least electable" candidate of the potential replacements for Biden.

Opinion | How These 10 Democrats Would Fare Against Trump, Rated by Our Columnists and Writers (Published 2024)

Many party leaders are coalescing behind Kamala Harris, but some veteran Democrats — and many voters — are still grappling with who would fare best against Trump.

www.nytimes.com

How is it that we've gone from "least electable candidate" to "Trump's so afraid!" in less than a week? How is anyone supposed to take any of this seriously? You have to wonder if the people churning out this garbage even remember the stuff they wrote yesterday or if they're too busy pushing whatever narrative is hot at the moment that they can't be bothered to explain why they write such blatantly contradictory things in such a short amount of time.

Because many people are going to vote "not-Trump", Harris has a chance. But so did Biden, regardless of what the media told you. But let's not pretend like she's some amazing juggernaut. I mean, I know the Democrats have to pretend like that's the case, but there's a reason why ultra-liberal candidates typically don't make it very far in the primaries.

I think the fact of the matter is that BOTH sides are afraid. We are in completely unprecedented times. The media seems to have the back of the Democrats though, feeding them a steady diet of how great Harris is (even though they were dumping on her just a week ago), and the Democrats seem all too willing to believe whatever they write. Until tomorrow, when they'll write something completely different and pretend they never wrote what they wrote today.

 

[mark46]

I’ve added a third: she’s a “first” - first female person of color.

Yes, Trump set the bar very, very low.

Yes, Biden in attempting to run again set the bar very, very low.

Yes, a much more qualified candidate would likely have emerged out of an open primary process had Biden dropped out a year ago,

So, yes Harris does have a low bar to get over. However, I would note that this is likely to be a close election. Harris is black, is a woman and is from California. That IS three strikes for many, many Americans. (5 other countries have no issues in electing a woman; the US does have issues.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, Trump set the bar very, very low.

Yes, Biden in attempting to run again set the bar very, very low.

Yes, a much more qualified candidate would likely have emerged out of an open primary process had Biden dropped out a year ago,

So, yes Harris does have a low bar to get over. However, I would note that this is likely to be a close election. Harris is black, is a woman and is from California. That IS three strikes for many, many Americans. (5 other countries have no issues in electing a woman; the US does have issues.

You mean the progressive,liberal,majority has a problem electing a woman? I’m shocked! And you’re considering that she’s a person of color? I thought that was a plus.

 

[mark46]

You mean the progressive,liberal,majority has a problem electing a woman? I’m shocked! And you’re considering that she’s a person of color? I thought that was a plus.

???

Democrats have no problem nominating or electing a woman.

The problem is with the Republicans, and perhaps even with the majority of voters.
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The governor of Michigan would have made a better candidate and might have gotten the nomination if Biden had dropped out in July 2023.

 

[BPPLEE]

???

Democrats have no problem nominating or electing a woman.

The problem is with the Republicans, and perhaps even with the majority of voters.
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The governor of Michigan would have made a better candidate and might have gotten the nomination if Biden had dropped out in July 2023.

Oh, so Democrats are not a majority of voters? Seems odd that Biden could set a record without having a majority and beat an incumbent who got more votes than when he was elected.

 

[mark46]

Oh, so Democrats are not a majority of voters? Seems odd that Biden could set a record without having a majority and beat an incumbent who got more votes than when he was elected.

???

Look it up.
The majority of voters are NOT Democrats.

 

[BPPLEE]

???

Look it up.
The majority of voters are NOT Democrats.

The majority voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t they? Or should we be listening to all the people that say there was a problem ?

 

[civilwarbuff]

The majority voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t they? Or should we be listening to all the people that say there was a problem ?

The majority of THOSE WHO VOTED voted democrat. Don't assume that means the majority of voters are democrats. Big difference.....

 

[BPPLEE]

The majority of THOSE WHO VOTED voted democrat. Don't assume that means the majority of voters are democrats. Big difference.....

I know. I was just picking on someone. Apparently there’s a problem getting people to vote for women and people of color. I think it’s just that’s it’s wrong woman who is a person of color who is running that is the problem.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I know. I was just picking on someone. Apparently there’s a problem getting people to vote for women and people of color. I think it’s just that’s it’s wrong woman who is a person of color who is running that is the problem.

Not that at all for me. She is a far left democrat and that's a line I simply won't cross. BTW, I actually voted for Nikki Haley in the primary AFTER she had ended her campaign. In 2016 I voted for Ben Carson in the primary who had also withdrawn at the time......

 

[mark46]

The majority voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t they? Or should we be listening to all the people that say there was a problem ?

???

There are Democrats
There are Republicans
There are members of other parties or who vote for a 3rd party in presidential elections
There are independents who are not members or self-identify with any party
No party has close to a majority who are registered with them or self-idendify with them.

There are more Democrats than Republicans.
In 2016 and 2020, Trump got fewer votes than the Democrats.

In 2020, lots of non-Democrats voted for Biden. He won by getting lots and lots of Democratic votes, lots of independent votes and some Republican votes.

 

[mark46]

The majority voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t they? Or should we be listening to all the people that say there was a problem ?

A majority of those who voted for Trump or Biden did indeed vote for Biden.
BTW, even a majority does not mean that you are elected. Clinton got more votes than Trump in 2016.

 

[Arcangl86]

The majority of THOSE WHO VOTED voted democrat. Don't assume that means the majority of voters are democrats. Big difference.....

Uh, are we talking about the same election? Biden received 51.3% of the vote. That's an outright majority of the popular vote.

 

[civilwarbuff]

51.3% of the vote.

....of the people who voted. Not everyone registered voted. Some simply turned their backs on both parties. Happens all the time......

 

[mark46]

Uh, are we talking about the same election? Biden received 51.3% of the vote. That's an outright majority of the popular vote.

BPPLEE's point (stated severeal times) is that Democrat constitute a majority of US voters. That simply isn't true.

Yes Clinton and Biden both a a majority of the popular vote.

 

[BPPLEE]

BPPLEE's point (stated severeal times) is that Democrat constitute a majority of US voters. That simply isn't true.

Yes Clinton and Biden both a a majority of the popular vote.

Really? I was just questioning how Biden set a record for most votes if Democrats don’t have a majority.

 

[DaisyDay]

Is anyone old enough to remember when it was deemed a "right-wing conspiracy theory" that Democrats would pull Biden off the ticket at the last minute?

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How are you defining "last minute"? They haven't even held the DNC yet.

 

[DaisyDay]

In this case, it was just 9 months. That article is from October 2023.

Republicans float a quiet conspiracy theory that Biden won't be on the ballot

The mostly unfounded chatter includes talk that Democrats secretly want to replace him with former first lady Michelle Obama or California Gov. Gavin Newsom.

www.nbcnews.com

Neither Michelle Obama nor Gavin Newsom are on the ticket.

That Biden would be pushed off the ballot may have been a theory nine months ago, but while it was not unfounded neither was it a sure thing.