The Schumer Shutdown

[Aldebaran]

Americans can either have a healthcare system that provides for all people free at the point of service, or a military budget approaching $1,000,000,000,000.

Guess which one we have?

Countries such as Canada already tried having free healthcare for all. Quality of care and wait times were such that people ended up coming to the USA for healthcare they could actually receive.
Probably best if the USA doesn't make Canada's mistake.

 

[camille70]

ObamaCare price jump hits Idaho first as shutdown deal remains elusive

Idaho consumers are getting the nation’s first look at price increases hitting Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace plans as the federal tax credits that helped to trigger a government shutd…

thehill.com

Idaho consumers are getting the nation’s first look at price increases hitting Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace plans as the federal tax credits that helped to trigger a government shutdown expire.

Idaho’s marketplace open enrollment began Oct. 15, as the future of enhanced premium tax credits remains in limbo. Marketplace customers will see markedly higher premiums than last year if the credits are not extended.

“On average, gross premiums, or the overall cost of the premium, has gone up about 10 percent. And the net premium, or the amount the consumer pays after the tax credit has been applied, has increased about 75 percent,” Pat Kelly, executive director of Your Health Idaho, told The Hill.

“So, those are averages across all of our enrollees, but it does give an indication of overall increase and then increase to what the consumer actually pays.”

 

[Always in His Presence]

Americans can either have a healthcare system that provides for all people free at the point of service, or a military budget approaching $1,000,000,000,000.

Guess which one we have?

I don't think you could have missed it by a larger margine is you tried

The United States spends more on health care than any other country. Annual health expenditures stood at over 4.8 trillion U.S. dollars in 2023

4.8 Trillion and that is not with everyone having free health care. Five times the size of the military budget.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Truths about the Obama Care -

1. Passed on a partisan bill - no votes from Republicans
2. Within two years people premiums rose 105%
3. Subsidies were passed on a partisan bill - no votes from Republicans
4. The Democrats, instead of making the subsidies permanent - gave them an expiration date of 2025 - again - zero Republican votes.

and now some how it is a Republican issue.

 

[Vambram]

Family Research Council is a lobbying group with their own agenda and a preference for the GOP. I take nothing from them nor the late James Dobson at face value.

The Family Research Council and the late James Dobson has more integrity than all of the Democratic Party and the GOP combined. The Family Research Council is a very trustworthy organization.

 

[camille70]

Truths about the Obama Care -

1. Passed on a partisan bill - no votes from Republicans
2. Within two years people premiums rose 105%
3. Subsidies were passed on a partisan bill - no votes from Republicans
4. The Democrats, instead of making the subsidies permanent - gave them an expiration date of 2025 - again - zero Republican votes.

and now some how it is a Republican issue.

The GOP didn't vote for it but many of their amendments were adopted.

You can thank Marco Rubio for tanking the risk corridors which caused higher premiums and some providers to pull out altogether.

The GOP isn't going to vote for what they have spent years demonizing and running against, but when covid hit, they sure did point their constituents who were losing employer coverage there after voting 40+ times to repeal it.

You seem to be implying a bill passed along party lines is a bad thing, but you aren't stating what, if anything is the problem. Whatever it is, I assume it also applies to the Big Beautiful Bill which cut the ACA subsidies and which also passed the house and senate with ZERO democrat votes.

 

[Richard T]

What's to negotiate? The Republicans all voted to keep the government open. Democrats all voted to NOT keep it open. Now people suffer because it's shut down.
When Republicans were in the minority, they were blamed for shutdowns. Now it's dems in the minority, and Republicans still get blamed for the shutdown. Should Republicans negotiate with the MSM to stop the bias in their reporting? Or should they negotiate with the dems to stop relying on MSM bias and using government workers as bargaining chips, and holding the American economy hostage?

Once could fix the shutdown in one day by stating that all USA debt would be defaulted on if the debt ceiling was not raised.
But more precisely to your comment. I suspect there is bias in the MSM. However, every shutdown has a different set of issues so blame is not just about minorty/majority, it is about why they refuse to bump up the ceiling. I favor Rand Paul, true conservative position, that the deficits are out of control and unless more is done I would vote against raising the ceiling. Though unpopular at the time, Rep. Ron Paul vogted against the Iraq war. Funny he was right, just as I believe his son is on the budget. It is too bad that more principled Republicans are so critically missing in these loose times.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You seem to be implying a bill passed along party lines is a bad thing, but you aren't stating what, if anything is the problem.

Adding 1.5 Trillion dollars by force would be a problem, unless authoritarianism from one political party is now ok.

Whatever it is, I assume it also applies to the Big Beautiful Bill which cut the ACA subsidies and which also passed the house and senate with ZERO democrat votes.

It passed by legislative action. Not holding the country hostage.