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The Democrat's big lie

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The majority of voters are NOT Democrats.
I think there are more people registered as Democrats than as Republicans, but whether they turn out to vote is unknown. Right now, however, it seems increasingly likely especially among the younger contingent. The ongoing Gaza genocide was very problematic for young people and minority voters in voting for Biden - I don't know yet how this will shake out for Harris.
 
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....of the people who voted. Not everyone registered voted. Some simply turned their backs on both parties. Happens all the time......
Yeah that’s what “of the vote” means.
 
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I think there are more people registered as Democrats than as Republicans, but whether they turn out to vote is unknown. Right now, however, it seems increasingly likely especially among the younger contingent. The ongoing Gaza genocide was very problematic for young people and minority voters in voting for Biden - I don't know yet how this will shake out for Harris.
Yes, there are MORE Democrats, but nowhere near a majority of potential voters, or of actual voters.

I think that the enthusiasm difference between Biden and Harris is huge. Trump no longer has a large advantage in enthusiasm.

Democrats still aren't favored. Youngsters often stay home. The open question is the effectiveness of the get out to vote drive.
 
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Yes, there are MORE Democrats, but nowhere near a majority of potential voters, or of actual voters.
That's true.
I think that the enthusiasm difference between Biden and Harris is huge. Trump no longer has a large advantage in enthusiasm.
I think you're right about this.
Democrats still aren't favored. Youngsters often stay home. The open question is the effectiveness of the get out to vote drive.
Killing Acorn was a major coup for the Republicans as they did register people and got the vote out. Younger people were not going to vote for Biden even if they disliked Donald, but there is enthusiasm for Harris, especially among minorities and women. For some reason, a lot of women distrust adjudicated sexual assaulters.
 
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That's true.

I think you're right about this.

Killing Acorn was a major coup for the Republicans as they did register people and got the vote out. Younger people were not going to vote for Biden even if they disliked Donald, but there is enthusiasm for Harris, especially among minorities and women. For some reason, a lot of women distrust adjudicated sexual assaulters.
Trump won among white women in both 2016 and 2020.

 
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Trump won among white women in both 2016 and 2020.

That was also before Dobbs, which probably helps explain the change.
 
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Yeah that’s what “of the vote” means.
Except that is not what the initial comment claimed. This is what was said:
Oh, so Democrats are not a majority of voters? Seems odd that Biden could set a record without having a majority and beat an incumbent who got more votes than when he was elected.
Hence my statement that it was simply a majority of people who voted attempting to disabuse those who seem to think that actually means democrats are THE majority of voters overall.
You should really follow the conversation more closely......
 
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That's true.

I think you're right about this.

Killing Acorn was a major coup for the Republicans as they did register people and got the vote out. Younger people were not going to vote for Biden even if they disliked Donald, but there is enthusiasm for Harris, especially among minorities and women. For some reason, a lot of women distrust adjudicated sexual assaulters.
For those not familiar with ACORN here is a short blurb from wiki explaining it demise.

In the U.S., ACORN suffered a damaging nationwide controversy in the fall of 2009 after James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles secretly recorded, and released videos of interactions with low-level ACORN personnel in several of their offices. In the videos, James poses as a pimp attempting to start a brothel with underage immigrant girls from Central America. ACORN personnel attempt to help James with housing his brothel. Multiple investigations were conducted and found that the released tapes were selectively edited to portray ACORN as negatively as possible, and found James O'Keefe's recordings violated privacy laws in Maryland and California.[6] The organization conducted its own audits and cooperated with investigations of employees, referring some cases to law enforcement. Not one of the cases were forward to a judge. In the meantime, however, the organization suffered an immediate loss of funding from government agencies with which it had contracts and from private donors.[7][8][9]

If women distrust adjudicated sexual assaulters I wonder how they would feel about government agencies supporting an organization attempting to help set up brothels?
 
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Except that is not what the initial comment claimed. This is what was said:

Hence my statement that it was simply a majority of people who voted attempting to disabuse those who seem to think that actually means democrats are THE majority of voters overall.
You should really follow the conversation more closely......
Having reread the exchanges, we seem to agree, but given the nature of these forums and our own histories may have trouble understanding when we’ve reached a consensus.
 
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Trump won among white women in both 2016 and 2020.
Seriously? Shame on my kind!
Whelp, I guess this goes to show that women are not of a monolithic hive mind and will, all too often, vote for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
 
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How are you defining "last minute"? They haven't even held the DNC yet.

:rolleyes:

I think last minute is apropos here. I mean, primaries are over, the candidate was chosen, and all we were missing was the blessing from the DNC. I guess maybe that's why we had such an abnormally early debate, to give the DNC a chance to cut bait and run.
 
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:rolleyes:

I think last minute is apropos here. I mean, primaries are over, the candidate was chosen, and all we were missing was the blessing from the DNC. I guess maybe that's why we had such an abnormally early debate, to give the DNC a chance to cut bait and run.
The main part of the campaign use to start on Labor Day. Now it starts the day after the last convention.

100 days is a lot of time. The Democrats will be able to use their convention to tweak promote their platform and to actively attack Vance.
 
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The main part of the campaign use to start on Labor Day. Now it starts the day after the last convention.

Makes you wonder why the first Presidential debate was so early then. Before either candidate was officially chosen. Odd.

100 days is a lot of time.

Oh, most definitely. In an election cycle, it's a lifetime. Still doesn't change the fact that Democrats have made history this election cycle by putting a candidate on a Presidential debate stage against the other party and then pulling him out of the race. Pretty sure that's never happened before.

The Democrats will be able to use their convention to tweak promote their platform and to actively attack Vance.

Yes, sadly politics has become not about what you stand for, but who you can attack the most.
 
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So, here we are on July 22, 2024, just a little under 24 hours from when Biden made his historic announcement that he is no longer running for President of the United States and the Democratic Party is in unprecedented chaos. Let's reflect on how we got here.

First, we hear regularly from Democrats how Donald Trump lies about everything. They're not wrong. When Donald Trump is speaking, there's a high probability he's lying as well. But now, Democrats look like GIGANTIC HYPOCRITES. For the last few years, we've been told one of the biggest lies from the Democratic Party. That lie was that Biden was "sharp as a tack" and that he was "the best version" of himself ever. People were saying this as recently as one month ago. Any attempt to point out clearly obvious signs of decline in his mental acuity were met with vociferous claims of RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY! and CHEAP FAKES!. It's a Russian disinformation campaign! The gaslighting was near universal from Democrats and from the legacy media claiming that what you were seeing with your own two eyes was not who Biden really was. Fact-checkers went into overtime concocting explanations for how Biden's obvious cognitive decline wasn't actually real.

That is, until June 27, 2024. Biden took the debate stage and laid bare for the entire world to see just how far his mental state had declined. Almost instantaneously, the entire Democratic Party and the legacy media turned on a dime. Suddenly, they were willing to admit what just about everyone else had been saying all along, that Biden was not fit for another term in office. He must step down. There's no way he can win. His path to victory is gone. For over 3 weeks, there was a relentless pressure campaign on Biden to admit that he was not fit for another term in office. The lies that we had been fed about him being "sharp as a tack" were no longer tenable. And so yesterday, July 21, 2024, Biden dropped out of the race citing what was best for his party and the country, and yes, he gave his party top-billing over the country when talking about what was best. Worse, he didn't even make an appearance. He simply tweeted out a letter on X announcing his decision and said in the letter that there'd be more details later this week.

The Democrats LIED about Biden's mental acuity for years. The legacy media was 100% complicit. They want you to believe that Biden just collapsed in the debate. Actually, first they wanted you to believe that he had a cold and just had a "bad night". But when those narratives fell through, they were left with nothing.

And now, the Democrats are circumventing the democratic process entirely to "save democracy" they say. Despite the fact that Joe Biden overwhelmingly won ALL of the primaries, the Democrats are content to toss those elections aside and instill whoever it is they like. The right time for Biden to announce he wasn't seeking re-election was BEFORE the primaries, so that the voters would be able to select their candidate. But because it was necessary to keep up the big lie that Biden was mentally fit for another term, they ran him and kept repeating the big lie that he was "sharp as a tack" to put themselves in this mess.

They're still not completely admitting the lie. They can't say that Biden isn't seeking re-election because he is mentally unfit, because if he's mentally unfit for another term, then he's certainly mentally unfit to be running the country NOW. So they simply say it's for the good of their party and the country. So they simply say he's not seeking re-election for the good his party. In other words, we're losing, we know it, so we're going to do whatever we need to do to cling to power.

And of course, all of the Democrats that were just 24 hours prior talking about how awful Biden was and how he had to go were suddenly awash with praise for the man when he announced he would end his bid for the presidency. He's a "selfless hero" and a "patriot" now that he's stepped aside conceded to the intense pressure campaign to run him off and begrudgingly went kicking and screaming.

The Democratic Party has been propagating a massive lie for years that has now placed them in this impossible situation where they must disenfranchise primary voters to "save democracy". It will be interesting to watch how the party spins this, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will almost certainly involved more big lies.

I'd say the biggest lie is Trump is a white supremacist...or leader of them...or puppet of Putin.

There's never been any evidence of either, but a lot of people believe them.

The Biden thing was just increasingly obvious. Yes he had declined in 2020...but it wasn't as bad. He could stand in front of a crowd and make relative sense to a crowd for an hour or two for the primary.

By debate 2024, he couldn't get through 5 minutes and make a coherent sentence or idea.

Honest would be removing him...but unfortunately, they didn't want Harris in power either lol. She's not bright.
 
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:rolleyes:

I think last minute is apropos here. I mean, primaries are over, the candidate was chosen, and all we were missing was the blessing from the DNC. I guess maybe that's why we had such an abnormally early debate, to give the DNC a chance to cut bait and run.
Do you think it's too late for the GOP? Poor fat old Donald isn't looking/sounding too well lately.
 
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He isn't talking about price gauging
Gouging. No, he is fine with that. I was referring to increasing evidence of his growing senility.
 
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