The Democrat's big lie

[probinson]

So, here we are on July 22, 2024, just a little under 24 hours from when Biden made his historic announcement that he is no longer running for President of the United States and the Democratic Party is in unprecedented chaos. Let's reflect on how we got here.

First, we hear regularly from Democrats how Donald Trump lies about everything. They're not wrong. When Donald Trump is speaking, there's a high probability he's lying as well. But now, Democrats look like GIGANTIC HYPOCRITES. For the last few years, we've been told one of the biggest lies from the Democratic Party. That lie was that Biden was "sharp as a tack" and that he was "the best version" of himself ever. People were saying this as recently as one month ago. Any attempt to point out clearly obvious signs of decline in his mental acuity were met with vociferous claims of RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY! and CHEAP FAKES!. It's a Russian disinformation campaign! The gaslighting was near universal from Democrats and from the legacy media claiming that what you were seeing with your own two eyes was not who Biden really was. Fact-checkers went into overtime concocting explanations for how Biden's obvious cognitive decline wasn't actually real.

That is, until June 27, 2024. Biden took the debate stage and laid bare for the entire world to see just how far his mental state had declined. Almost instantaneously, the entire Democratic Party and the legacy media turned on a dime. Suddenly, they were willing to admit what just about everyone else had been saying all along, that Biden was not fit for another term in office. He must step down. There's no way he can win. His path to victory is gone. For over 3 weeks, there was a relentless pressure campaign on Biden to admit that he was not fit for another term in office. The lies that we had been fed about him being "sharp as a tack" were no longer tenable. And so yesterday, July 21, 2024, Biden dropped out of the race citing what was best for his party and the country, and yes, he gave his party top-billing over the country when talking about what was best. Worse, he didn't even make an appearance. He simply tweeted out a letter on X announcing his decision and said in the letter that there'd be more details later this week.

The Democrats LIED about Biden's mental acuity for years. The legacy media was 100% complicit. They want you to believe that Biden just collapsed in the debate. Actually, first they wanted you to believe that he had a cold and just had a "bad night". But when those narratives fell through, they were left with nothing.

And now, the Democrats are circumventing the democratic process entirely to "save democracy" they say. Despite the fact that Joe Biden overwhelmingly won ALL of the primaries, the Democrats are content to toss those elections aside and instill whoever it is they like. The right time for Biden to announce he wasn't seeking re-election was BEFORE the primaries, so that the voters would be able to select their candidate. But because it was necessary to keep up the big lie that Biden was mentally fit for another term, they ran him and kept repeating the big lie that he was "sharp as a tack" to put themselves in this mess.

They're still not completely admitting the lie. They can't say that Biden isn't seeking re-election because he is mentally unfit, because if he's mentally unfit for another term, then he's certainly mentally unfit to be running the country NOW. So they simply say it's for the good of their party and the country. So they simply say he's not seeking re-election for the good his party. In other words, we're losing, we know it, so we're going to do whatever we need to do to cling to power.

And of course, all of the Democrats that were just 24 hours prior talking about how awful Biden was and how he had to go were suddenly awash with praise for the man when he announced he would end his bid for the presidency. He's a "selfless hero" and a "patriot" now that he's stepped aside conceded to the intense pressure campaign to run him off and begrudgingly went kicking and screaming.

The Democratic Party has been propagating a massive lie for years that has now placed them in this impossible situation where they must disenfranchise primary voters to "save democracy". It will be interesting to watch how the party spins this, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will almost certainly involved more big lies.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

lol

 

[probinson]

lol

What a substantive rebuttal!

 

[probinson]

Let's look at one example. Back in June, Biden was on stage at a fundraising event hosted by Jimmy Kimmel. Obama was there too. At the end of that event, Biden walked to the front of the stage, froze for about 7 seconds, and then Obama came over and guided him off the stage. This was plain as day to any objective observer.

Of course, this was completely denied. Biden was just taking in the applause. He was trying to hear what people were saying. Kimmel confirmed that Biden was just fine and that there was nothing to see here. Just another right-wing conspiracy, or more Russian disinformation we were told.

Until Obama came out and said that he was "startled" by a disoriented Biden at that event:

During a campaign fundraising event in June, President Joe Biden's disoriented state while onstage left former President Barack Obama "startled," The New York Times reported.​

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The event in question — a Los Angeles fundraiser hosted by Jimmy Kimmel — included a viral moment where it appeared Obama led a frozen Biden offstage. At the time, the White House dismissed the notion, saying Biden paused for applause.​

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According to an anonymous former Obama aide who spoke to the Times, the former president was surprised by how Biden had "aged and seemed disoriented."​

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Obama was startled by how 'disoriented' Biden appeared during a June fundraising event, NYT reports

Former President Barack Obama endorsed President Biden for the 2024 race. Now, Biden's age has become a concern for him.

www.businessinsider.com

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Oh. So the people who said Biden looked dazed and disoriented a month ago are suddenly vindicated. Biden did not, in fact, stop for applause. He was, according to Obama, "disoriented" to the point it "startled" him.

This discussion was had on this forum. I had multiple people tell me that I was just seeing things, and Biden was fine. But Obama said the quiet part out loud, making everyone who defended that obvious disorientation look like a gullible fool.

You'll note that Obama did not say this when it happened. He waited until it was clear that Biden had no chance to win and they needed to get him out of the way. Obama stayed quiet on how "startled" he was for over a month and perpetuated the big lie that everything was fine with Biden.

 

[probinson]

Blatantly lying to people is not new to the White House Press Secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre. In February 2020, she penned an article talking about what it was like to work on a for a doomed presidential candidate, because she worked for both John Edwards and Anthony Weiner. This is what she wrote:

There's nothing more dispiriting than working on a dying campaign. The atmosphere resembles one of those sad birthday balloons with the air slowly seeping out as it deflates. You show up at the office. You're pumped. You attack the phones. You deliberately put pep in your voice. "Everything is going great!" we would blatantly lie to the movers and shakers we were calling. But the more we tried, the less it helped.​

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https://www.salon.com/2020/02/17/what-its-like-working-for-a-doomed-presidential-candidate/

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[iluvatar5150]

So, here we are on July 22, 2024, just a little under 24 hours from when Biden made his historic announcement that he is no longer running for President of the United States and the Democratic Party is in unprecedented chaos. Let's reflect on how we got here.

First, we hear regularly from Democrats how Donald Trump lies about everything. They're not wrong. When Donald Trump is speaking, there's a high probability he's lying as well. But now, Democrats look like GIGANTIC HYPOCRITES. For the last few years, we've been told one of the biggest lies from the Democratic Party. That lie was that Biden was "sharp as a tack" and that he was "the best version" of himself ever. People were saying this as recently as one month ago. Any attempt to point out clearly obvious signs of decline in his mental acuity were met with vociferous claims of RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY! and CHEAP FAKES!. It's a Russian disinformation campaign! The gaslighting was near universal from Democrats and from the legacy media claiming that what you were seeing with your own two eyes was not who Biden really was. Fact-checkers went into overtime concocting explanations for how Biden's obvious cognitive decline wasn't actually real.

That is, until June 27, 2024. Biden took the debate stage and laid bare for the entire world to see just how far his mental state had declined. Almost instantaneously, the entire Democratic Party and the legacy media turned on a dime. Suddenly, they were willing to admit what just about everyone else had been saying all along, that Biden was not fit for another term in office. He must step down. There's no way he can win. His path to victory is gone. For over 3 weeks, there was a relentless pressure campaign on Biden to admit that he was not fit for another term in office. The lies that we had been fed about him being "sharp as a tack" were no longer tenable. And so yesterday, July 21, 2024, Biden dropped out of the race citing what was best for his party and the country, and yes, he gave his party top-billing over the country when talking about what was best. Worse, he didn't even make an appearance. He simply tweeted out a letter on X announcing his decision and said in the letter that there'd be more details later this week.

The Democrats LIED about Biden's mental acuity for years. The legacy media was 100% complicit. They want you to believe that Biden just collapsed in the debate. Actually, first they wanted you to believe that he had a cold and just had a "bad night". But when those narratives fell through, they were left with nothing.

And now, the Democrats are circumventing the democratic process entirely to "save democracy" they say. Despite the fact that Joe Biden overwhelmingly won ALL of the primaries, the Democrats are content to toss those elections aside and instill whoever it is they like. The right time for Biden to announce he wasn't seeking re-election was BEFORE the primaries, so that the voters would be able to select their candidate. But because it was necessary to keep up the big lie that Biden was mentally fit for another term, they ran him and kept repeating the big lie that he was "sharp as a tack" to put themselves in this mess.

They're still not completely admitting the lie. They can't say that Biden isn't seeking re-election because he is mentally unfit, because if he's mentally unfit for another term, then he's certainly mentally unfit to be running the country NOW. So they simply say it's for the good of their party and the country. So they simply say he's not seeking re-election for the good his party. In other words, we're losing, we know it, so we're going to do whatever we need to do to cling to power.

And of course, all of the Democrats that were just 24 hours prior talking about how awful Biden was and how he had to go were suddenly awash with praise for the man when he announced he would end his bid for the presidency. He's a "selfless hero" and a "patriot" now that he's stepped aside conceded to the intense pressure campaign to run him off and begrudgingly went kicking and screaming.

The Democratic Party has been propagating a massive lie for years that has now placed them in this impossible situation where they must disenfranchise primary voters to "save democracy". It will be interesting to watch how the party spins this, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will almost certainly involved more big lies.

I participated in the thread to which you referred:

From Fake News to Cheap Fake - it's more of the same, just different sides.

White House Attacks “Cheap Fake” Joe Biden Videos As They Spread Across Right Wing Media And Parrot Donald Trump’s Talking Points (Analysis) LOL - the newest talking points: - Cheap Fake Don't you think that the fact that people feel the need to fake Biden videos and we don't with Trump says...

www.christianforums.com

I argued with you about your take on it.

What you're conveniently leaving out is that fact that in this case, your side (i.e. the "Biden is too old" side) was guilty of making some assumptions based on incomplete information that mirrored other faulty interpretations your side had made in other cases where the footage was obviously selectively edited or presented. You, personally, made a number of assumptions from his facial expressions that you had no way of verifying, yet took to be accurate, and expected the rest of us to be accurate. It's not "gaslighting" to say that you were presumptuous. You were. You may not have been wrong, ultimately, but you were presumptuous. It's no different than lefties who predicted that Trump would try to stay in office if he lost reelection in 2020 (Marc Maron, for example, has a bit about this in his special from 2020) - they were presumptuous, but also turned out to have guessed right.

I'd argue that many other folks on the Right who've argued this point have been untrustworthy, using selectively edited footage and just generally acting in bad faith. Biden obviously looked slower and older, but it's hard to assess the degree to which this is the case when the folks making the claims are being deliberately dishonest and/or are so media illiterate that they can't tell when somebody else is being dishonest.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I needed to just get out of our culture and move somewhere where I was more self sufficient and could do all the things I like on my own property. And I did.

...

I just put my faith in the Lord

idk... That sounds to me like putting faith in yourself.

 

[bèlla]

Software mogul John McAfee's 2020 prediction goes viral after Biden quits presidential race

With US President Joe Biden officially dropping out of the 2024 race, people on social media are sharing a 2020 prediction by British-American computer programmer, businessman, and two-time presidential candidate John David McAfee.

Less than one year before his death, McAfee had predicted on July 19, 2020, that Biden would drop out of the presidential race after being medically diagnosed as unfit for office. Although he made this prediction regarding the 2020 elections, users on X are saying he was at least right about the event itself.

 

[chevyontheriver]

And now, the Democrats are circumventing the democratic process entirely to "save democracy" they say. Despite the fact that Joe Biden overwhelmingly won ALL of the primaries, the Democrats are content to toss those elections aside and instill whoever it is they like. The right time for Biden to announce he wasn't seeking re-election was BEFORE the primaries, so that the voters would be able to select their candidate. But because it was necessary to keep up the big lie that Biden was mentally fit for another term, they ran him and kept repeating the big lie that he was "sharp as a tack" to put themselves in this mess.

The Democratic Party has been propagating a massive lie for years that has now placed them in this impossible situation where they must disenfranchise primary voters to "save democracy". It will be interesting to watch how the party spins this, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it will almost certainly involved more big lies.

As someone who has been to a (Republican) state political convention and having watched carefully how national conventions operate, I can say that there is no 'circumventing the democratic process here. Yes, there was the big lie that Joe Biden was 'sharp as a tack'. But those are different things. We don't know who is really running the country and THAT is a probable circumvention of democracy. But a candidate dropping out at any point does not circumvent democracy.

In caucus states delegates to conventions are chosen by caucus attendees by vote. These delegates are bound by loose rules to represent a candidate or a cause on the first ballot at a convention. A delegate chosen at a caucus goes to a district convention and can run to be a state delegate. If chosen by the district convention they are bound by loose rules to represent a candidate or a cause on the first ballot at a state convention. I did all of that. I went with a promise to represent Marco Rubio. I did not choose to run to be a delegate to go to the national convention. We chose delegates based on our delegate proportions, and on who was left in the running. So by the time of the state convention Rubio had dropped out. But the Rubio people and the Cruz people had begun to cooperate in a never Trump coalition. We were the majority of delegates but we had to have a proportion of Trump delegates we elected to the national convention. We had to by our own rules. So we chose to elect Trump delegates who were bound by loose rules to vote for Trump on the first ballot but who would not vote for Trump on any following ballots. Trump won at the national convention on the first ballot, but our delegates were ready and eager to pick someone else. Point being, delegates follow loose rules to be committed to particular candidates or causes. If a candidate drops out the delegates are free to support someone else. After the first ballot a committed delegate is free too support someone else. The delegates choose within a set of loose rules. The result may look very different than what happened on caucus night.

Most states now use primaries and not caucuses. A big mistake, but oh well. The primaries really are about choosing delegates to conventions even though the candidates are the ones on the ballot. The parties at local levels pick delegates who will vote on at least the first ballot for the candidates at higher levels. If a candidate drops out, the delegates are free. Nothing is really decided UNTIL the convention and those delegates vote. This is REPRESENTATIVE democracy in action. Delegates are not locked into having to represent dead or dropped out candidates, or candidates who cannot win after the first ballot.

Biden dropped out. His delegates are free. They can vote for who they want to now. This does not 'disenfranchise' anyone. It's just how the process works. They figure out what makes sense to them.

It that bullet in Pennsylvania had been an inch different in trajectory would people who voted for Trump in primaries have been 'disenfranchised' if the delegates to the Republican convention picked someone other than Trump because Trump wasn't alive any longer? Not at all. That's why there are nominating conventions and delegates who can use their own judgment. And why there is a VP on the ticket, ready to stand in for a president or a presidential candidate.

 

[durangodawood]

Meh. Bidens judgement about how to run the country as president has been fine so far.

But.... his hubris in persisting beyond his promised single term has been appalling. It amounts to: "I didnt anticipate the stakes would be so high, and only I am suitable for this moment." Its like something Trump would say. Or did say. And Im not happy about it.

 

[probinson]

I participated in the thread to which you referred:

From Fake News to Cheap Fake - it's more of the same, just different sides.

White House Attacks “Cheap Fake” Joe Biden Videos As They Spread Across Right Wing Media And Parrot Donald Trump’s Talking Points (Analysis) LOL - the newest talking points: - Cheap Fake Don't you think that the fact that people feel the need to fake Biden videos and we don't with Trump says...

www.christianforums.com

Thank you for providing the link. I couldn't remember where it was and didn't want to go searching for it, so thank you.

I argued with you about your take on it.

What you're conveniently leaving out is that fact that in this case, your side (i.e. the "Biden is too old" side) was guilty of making some assumptions based on incomplete information that mirrored other faulty interpretations your side had made in other cases where the footage was obviously selectively edited or presented. You, personally, made a number of assumptions from his facial expressions that you had no way of verifying, yet took to be accurate, and expected the rest of us to be accurate. It's not "gaslighting" to say that you were presumptuous. You were. You may not have been wrong, ultimately, but you were presumptuous. It's no different than lefties who predicted that Trump would try to stay in office if he lost reelection in 2020 (Marc Maron, for example, has a bit about this in his special from 2020) - they were presumptuous, but also turned out to have guessed right.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this take. There were AMPLE examples of Biden's mental lapses and disorientation. When Biden stood there on the stage and stared blankly out into the crowd with a vacant expression on his face, there was no doubt that something was wrong. Then the media machine and "fact-checkers" jumped in to tell us what we saw with our own two eyes wasn't really what we saw. But it was. And Obama knew it. It was so obvious that it "startled" him, so he said.

I'd argue that many other folks on the Right who've argued this point have been untrustworthy, using selectively edited footage and just generally acting in bad faith.

And what of the people who downplayed a myriad of examples of Biden's decline? Do you think those folks are trustworthy?

Biden obviously looked slower and older, but it's hard to assess the degree to which this is the case when the folks making the claims are being deliberately dishonest and/or are so media illiterate that they can't tell when somebody else is being dishonest.

Strongly disagree. You're twisting yourself in knots to ignore the obvious. You wanted to give Biden the benefit of the doubt because to not do so was to harm his candidacy. It's the same reason the White House would blatantly lie to the public and the media was complicit. Biden must beat Trump at all costs. Until it was clear that wasn't going to happen, and then they turned on him in a heartbeat. And now you want to pretend like all of the signs that Biden was in decline being pointed out by people was "presumptuous"? Not hardly. It was painfully obvious, and the gaslighting and lying was incessant.

 

[probinson]

It that bullet in Pennsylvania had been an inch different in trajectory would people who voted for Trump in primaries have been 'disenfranchised' if the delegates to the Republican convention picked someone other than Trump because Trump wasn't alive any longer?

This is a a tortured comparison. The delegates could not have picked Trump because he would be dead.

 

[rambot]

Good stuff.

Significant cognitive decline can happen over as little as 6 months but the centrist seems to believe this is a long lie over years.

Doctors. Doctors everywhere.

 

[probinson]

Good stuff.

Significant cognitive decline can happen over as little as 6 months

You do realize that even 6 months would have put us back in January sometime, right? Before all of the primaries, right?

Certainly you don't believe the big lie that Biden's public cognitive collapse at the debate happened overnight, do you?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this take. There were AMPLE examples of Biden's mental lapses and disorientation. When Biden stood there on the stage and stared blankly out into the crowd with a vacant expression on his face, there was no doubt that something was wrong. Then the media machine and "fact-checkers" jumped in to tell us what we saw with our own two eyes wasn't really what we saw. But it was. And Obama knew it. It was so obvious that it "startled" him, so he said.

There was no doubt to you, but to others of it, it was pretty inconclusive. Could he have been staring into space? Sure. But he also could've been looking at the crowd as was alleged. As it is, you still don't know if that was one of the moments that "startled" Obama, or if Obama's take on this is entirely genuine (after all, it could be juiced up as part of a larger pressure campaign on Biden).

And what of the people who downplayed a myriad of examples of Biden's decline? Do you think those folks are trustworthy?

Perhaps.

Strongly disagree. You're twisting yourself in knots to ignore the obvious. You wanted to give Biden the benefit of the doubt because to not do so was to harm his candidacy.

I'm not twisting myself into any knots. I didn't accept Biden as being "too old" until it was pretty obvious, and my standards for what's "obvious" are, apparently, quite a bit more strict than those of a lot of other people. I simply don't agree that being a bit frail is indicative of an inability to make wise decisions or lead an administration. But his decline, at least from what I've seen in the media, appears to have accelerated quite a bit over the last several months going from what I'd describe as "annoying, but okay" to "oof" fairly quickly.

It's the same reason the White House would blatantly lie to the public and the media was complicit. Biden must beat Trump at all costs.

The WH always makes flattering statements about the president, regardless of the administration.

Until it was clear that wasn't going to happen, and then they turned on him in a heartbeat. And now you want to pretend like all of the signs that Biden was in decline being pointed out by people was "presumptuous"? Not hardly. It was painfully obvious, and the gaslighting and lying was incessant.

I didn't say "all of the signs" were presumptuous. I said that your assessment of him staring out into the crowd was presumptuous, which it was.

 

[chevyontheriver]

This is a a tortured comparison. The delegates could not have picked Trump because he would be dead.

It’s an apt comparison. Biden is unwell and will not be getting any better. He, or his minders, are free to release his delegates. It is, after all, BEFORE the nominating convention.

 

[rambot]

You do realize that even 6 months would have put us back in January sometime, right? Before all of the primaries, right?

Certainly you don't believe the big lie that Biden's public cognitive collapse at the debate happened overnight, do you?

You said "the last few years". I'm not convinced it was that long no. You're talking about his time with Obama.

Absurd.

 

[probinson]

There was no doubt to you, but to others of it, it was pretty inconclusive. Could he have been staring into space? Sure. But he also could've been looking at the crowd as was alleged. As it is, you still don't know if that was one of the moments that "startled" Obama, or if Obama's take on this is entirely genuine (after all, it could be juiced up as part of a larger pressure campaign on Biden).

In any event, Obama didn't bother to share his concern about Biden's disorientation when it happened. He was contend to let you believe that he was just taking in applause, even though he saw something concerning.

I'm not twisting myself into any knots. I didn't accept Biden as being "too old" until it was pretty obvious, and my standards for what's "obvious" are, apparently, quite a bit more strict than those of a lot of other people. I simply don't agree that being a bit frail is indicative an inability to make wise decisions or lead an administration. But his decline, at least from what I've seen in the media, appears to have accelerated quite a bit over the last several months going from what I'd describe as "annoying, but okay" to "oof" fairly quickly.

So now you say that you can see that his decline in the media went to "oof" over the "last several months". I'd like to remind you that fundraiser was in June, just about a month ago.

I didn't say "all of the signs" were presumptuous. I said that your assessment of him staring out into the crowd was presumptuous, which it was.

If you say so. Meanwhile, Biden's poor mental acuity was on full display on the national debate stage and the Democrats couldn't dump him fast enough. I can promise you that decline didn't happen overnight.

 

[probinson]

It’s an apt comparison. Biden is unwell and will not be getting any better.

If what you say is true that he is "unwell", why isn't he stepping down?

 

[iluvatar5150]

In any event, Obama didn't bother to share his concern about Biden's disorientation when it happened. He was contend to let you believe that he was just taking in applause, even though he saw something concerning.

No, he didn't publicize that concern. Frankly, I'd think it rather distasteful on his part if he'd just, say, gone on Twitter and started ragging about Biden publicly.

So now you say that you can see that his decline in the media went to "oof" over the "last several months". I'd like to remind you that fundraiser was in June, just about a month ago.

I'm aware. And I still don't think that video clip was conclusive.

If you say so. Meanwhile, Biden's poor mental acuity was on full display on the national debate stage and the Democrats couldn't dump him fast enough. I can promise you that decline didn't happen overnight.

You can? How?